Only time I don't use it is where I'm not supposed to TP on the mob and the SC purpose of Gekko/Kasha.
Even in zerg with BRD it's just unreal, even before the lv80 cap, I hate to think what it'll be like 90/99.
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Ifrit.Vextra said: Bahamut.Serj said: Diabolos.Artfuldodger said: If you added a Rajas Ring and ate Carbonara, you could get a 6-hit build, which iirc equates to something like 15% haste. A lot of people don't like relying on food to achieve x-hit builds, especially if you're killing colibri @55, but it's a great performance boost having a build that takes one less swing to reach 100% TP. I think you only need the Shinimusha Haidate to have your 7-hit build currently, so the Hara-Ate is overkill on Store TP (I'd replace it w/ a Jujitsu Gi). And don't forget your WS build! At 60 fulltime the Hauby/+1, never ever ever ever ever use a Domaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! Ifrit.Vextra said: Diabolos.Artfuldodger said: If you added a Rajas Ring and ate Carbonara, you could get a 6-hit build, which iirc equates to something like 15% haste. A lot of people don't like relying on food to achieve x-hit builds, especially if you're killing colibri @55, but it's a great performance boost having a build that takes one less swing to reach 100% TP. I think you only need the Shinimusha Haidate to have your 7-hit build currently, so the Hara-Ate is overkill on Store TP (I'd replace it w/ a Jujitsu Gi). And don't forget your WS build! At 60 fulltime the Hauby/+1, never ever ever ever ever use a Domaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! Sam was my favorite job for a very short period of time..and now its prolly my least used job now.
Sam was always my DD dynamis job so naturally I got tired of it. Bahamut.Drevin said: Ifrit.Vextra said: Bahamut.Serj said: Diabolos.Artfuldodger said: If you added a Rajas Ring and ate Carbonara, you could get a 6-hit build, which iirc equates to something like 15% haste. A lot of people don't like relying on food to achieve x-hit builds, especially if you're killing colibri @55, but it's a great performance boost having a build that takes one less swing to reach 100% TP. I think you only need the Shinimusha Haidate to have your 7-hit build currently, so the Hara-Ate is overkill on Store TP (I'd replace it w/ a Jujitsu Gi). And don't forget your WS build! At 60 fulltime the Hauby/+1, never ever ever ever ever use a Domaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! Ifrit.Vextra said: Diabolos.Artfuldodger said: If you added a Rajas Ring and ate Carbonara, you could get a 6-hit build, which iirc equates to something like 15% haste. A lot of people don't like relying on food to achieve x-hit builds, especially if you're killing colibri @55, but it's a great performance boost having a build that takes one less swing to reach 100% TP. I think you only need the Shinimusha Haidate to have your 7-hit build currently, so the Hara-Ate is overkill on Store TP (I'd replace it w/ a Jujitsu Gi). And don't forget your WS build! At 60 fulltime the Hauby/+1, never ever ever ever ever use a Domaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! Bahamut.Zorander said: Bahamut.Drevin said: Ifrit.Vextra said: Bahamut.Serj said: Diabolos.Artfuldodger said: If you added a Rajas Ring and ate Carbonara, you could get a 6-hit build, which iirc equates to something like 15% haste. A lot of people don't like relying on food to achieve x-hit builds, especially if you're killing colibri @55, but it's a great performance boost having a build that takes one less swing to reach 100% TP. I think you only need the Shinimusha Haidate to have your 7-hit build currently, so the Hara-Ate is overkill on Store TP (I'd replace it w/ a Jujitsu Gi). And don't forget your WS build! At 60 fulltime the Hauby/+1, never ever ever ever ever use a Domaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! Ifrit.Vextra said: Diabolos.Artfuldodger said: If you added a Rajas Ring and ate Carbonara, you could get a 6-hit build, which iirc equates to something like 15% haste. A lot of people don't like relying on food to achieve x-hit builds, especially if you're killing colibri @55, but it's a great performance boost having a build that takes one less swing to reach 100% TP. I think you only need the Shinimusha Haidate to have your 7-hit build currently, so the Hara-Ate is overkill on Store TP (I'd replace it w/ a Jujitsu Gi). And don't forget your WS build! At 60 fulltime the Hauby/+1, never ever ever ever ever use a Domaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! go die in a hole Caitsith.Linear said: ITT: ATT is autocapped during TP. End it before Zorander keeps talking to himself >.>
Ifrit.Zibo said: End it before Zorander keeps talking to himself >.> Caitsith.Linear said: ITT: ATT is autocapped during TP. I never said that attack is capped during TP I said a 5-10% increase in your TP phase damage from pizza (which is 1.175-3.5% increase your overall damage) is worth less than 3-6% increase in your WS damage from the STR on sushi (which is 1.95-3.9% increase your overall damage). Also sushi will allow for more aggressive builds TP with things like STR rings, JTorque etc. Ifrit.Zibo said: 1) Hit a mob with no food 2) Hit it with pizza 3) Look at the increase per swing 1) Weaponskill a mob w/o zerk a couple times 2) Do it again with zerk up Attack makes a difference, it increases melee dmg and, whether or not Gekko has an Att mod, it still increases dmg and it is pretty obvious when you ws w/ food on and w/o food on. Go read up on Gekko, then come back and we can talk. Honestly, you are just dumb. You fail to realize how much overkill Sam's accuracy was on most old content w/o pizza at 75, let alone 80.
14 from merits, 10 from hasso, standard gear (Haub+1 Sniper's [+1] bushinomimi Ranged-Slot PCC), and now with the level increase it is another 43 accuracy to play with. Moral of the story = eat curry when acc is capped (most of the time) and pizza when it isn't. Curry will give you the str of sushi AND the att from pizza (and then some) on mobs where accuracy gives you 0 bonuses Pizza will cap your accuracy on the rare mobs that you aren't capped on, and then it will give you an attack boost. This attack bonus probably WOULD affect weaponskills because any mob that is so high level it can evade you consistantly, will probably have a reasonable defense to go alone with it, which would mean even Gekko's omgwtfbbq att bonus isn't sufficient enough to make att useless. Ifrit.Zibo said: 1) Hit a mob with no food 2) Hit it with pizza 3) Look at the increase per swing 1) Weaponskill a mob w/o zerk a couple times 2) Do it again with zerk up Attack makes a difference, it increases melee dmg and, whether or not Gekko has an Att mod, it still increases dmg and it is pretty obvious when you ws w/ food on and w/o food on. Attack makes little to no difference on melee swings if you're not fighting something with high def or buffs. Also decreasing xhit for 100 lowers your total regular melee dmg and leans more towards WS, which, get cratio bonuses. Attacks moot, sushi gives extra fSTR. Ifrit.Zibo said: Honestly, you are just dumb. You fail to realize how much overkill Sam's accuracy was on most old content w/o pizza at 75, let alone 80. 14 from merits, 10 from hasso, standard gear (Haub+1 Sniper's [+1] bushinomimi Ranged-Slot PCC), and now with the level increase it is another 43 accuracy to play with. Moral of the story = eat curry when acc is capped (most of the time) and pizza when it isn't. Curry will give you the str of sushi AND the att from pizza (and then some) on mobs where accuracy gives you 0 bonuses Pizza will cap your accuracy on the rare mobs that you aren't capped on, and then it will give you an attack boost. This attack bonus probably WOULD affect weaponskills because any mob that is so high level it can evade you consistantly, will probably have a reasonable defense to go alone with it, which would mean even Gekko's omgwtfbbq att bonus isn't sufficient enough to make att useless. Seriously, Gekko caps on almost everything. If the many other people telling you that you are wrong doesn't persuade you go read up on it, there's a lot of math. This is why I lol at SAM/WAR w/o polearm.
Shiva.Borealis said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Honestly, you are just dumb. You fail to realize how much overkill Sam's accuracy was on most old content w/o pizza at 75, let alone 80. 14 from merits, 10 from hasso, standard gear (Haub+1 Sniper's [+1] bushinomimi Ranged-Slot PCC), and now with the level increase it is another 43 accuracy to play with. Moral of the story = eat curry when acc is capped (most of the time) and pizza when it isn't. Curry will give you the str of sushi AND the att from pizza (and then some) on mobs where accuracy gives you 0 bonuses Pizza will cap your accuracy on the rare mobs that you aren't capped on, and then it will give you an attack boost. This attack bonus probably WOULD affect weaponskills because any mob that is so high level it can evade you consistantly, will probably have a reasonable defense to go alone with it, which would mean even Gekko's omgwtfbbq att bonus isn't sufficient enough to make att useless. Seriously, Gekko caps on almost everything. If the many other people telling you that you are wrong doesn't persuade you go read up on it, there's a lot of math. Says the kid tp'ing in Hachiman Kote/Ace's Helm, food aside, get some haste. Shiva.Daimos said: This is why I lol at SAM/WAR w/o polearm. Says the drg that... well just look at yourself. *shivers* The argument is very simple, 90% of the content you do you will have capped acc BEFORE food. So there is NO reason to eat food with Acc+Str on it.
Ifrit.Zibo said: Shiva.Borealis said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Honestly, you are just dumb. You fail to realize how much overkill Sam's accuracy was on most old content w/o pizza at 75, let alone 80. 14 from merits, 10 from hasso, standard gear (Haub+1 Sniper's [+1] bushinomimi Ranged-Slot PCC), and now with the level increase it is another 43 accuracy to play with. Moral of the story = eat curry when acc is capped (most of the time) and pizza when it isn't. Curry will give you the str of sushi AND the att from pizza (and then some) on mobs where accuracy gives you 0 bonuses Pizza will cap your accuracy on the rare mobs that you aren't capped on, and then it will give you an attack boost. This attack bonus probably WOULD affect weaponskills because any mob that is so high level it can evade you consistantly, will probably have a reasonable defense to go alone with it, which would mean even Gekko's omgwtfbbq att bonus isn't sufficient enough to make att useless. Seriously, Gekko caps on almost everything. If the many other people telling you that you are wrong doesn't persuade you go read up on it, there's a lot of math. Says the kid tp'ing in Hachiman Kote/Ace's Helm, food aside, get some haste. Town gear, bro. No-one said anything about me TPing in that ***. lol. I love how all arguments boil down to TPing in ace's O-o
Ifrit.Zibo said: Shiva.Borealis said: Ifrit.Zibo said: Honestly, you are just dumb. You fail to realize how much overkill Sam's accuracy was on most old content w/o pizza at 75, let alone 80. 14 from merits, 10 from hasso, standard gear (Haub+1 Sniper's [+1] bushinomimi Ranged-Slot PCC), and now with the level increase it is another 43 accuracy to play with. Moral of the story = eat curry when acc is capped (most of the time) and pizza when it isn't. Curry will give you the str of sushi AND the att from pizza (and then some) on mobs where accuracy gives you 0 bonuses Pizza will cap your accuracy on the rare mobs that you aren't capped on, and then it will give you an attack boost. This attack bonus probably WOULD affect weaponskills because any mob that is so high level it can evade you consistantly, will probably have a reasonable defense to go alone with it, which would mean even Gekko's omgwtfbbq att bonus isn't sufficient enough to make att useless. Seriously, Gekko caps on almost everything. If the many other people telling you that you are wrong doesn't persuade you go read up on it, there's a lot of math. Says the kid tp'ing in Hachiman Kote/Ace's Helm, food aside, get some haste. Too bad it's true? When they start with something stupid, they usually end with something stupid.
Ifrit.Zibo said: When they start with something stupid, they usually end with something stupid. Coming from someone who thinks they need attack for Gekko. Lrn2SAM I never said I needed att for Gekko. I ws in full str. The point was that acc that does absolutely NOTHING is worse than att.
So much hate in this thread.
Got 5stp katanna yday and after another Byakko am 0/12 on Haidate. Maybe trying again tonight. I can believe the 50% drop on pants as since everyone i know 1/1 them i balance it out. Played with the 5hit build (that i have, not by any means steller) fun as hell. Ifrit.Zibo said: I never said I needed att for Gekko. I ws in full str. The point was that acc that does absolutely NOTHING is worse than att. Ifrit.Zibo said: Honestly, you are just dumb. You fail to realize how much overkill Sam's accuracy was on most old content w/o pizza at 75, let alone 80. 14 from merits, 10 from hasso, standard gear (Haub+1 Sniper's [+1] bushinomimi Ranged-Slot PCC), and now with the level increase it is another 43 accuracy to play with. Moral of the story = eat curry when acc is capped (most of the time) and pizza when it isn't. Curry will give you the str of sushi AND the att from pizza (and then some) on mobs where accuracy gives you 0 bonuses Pizza will cap your accuracy on the rare mobs that you aren't capped on, and then it will give you an attack boost. This attack bonus probably WOULD affect weaponskills because any mob that is so high level it can evade you consistantly, will probably have a reasonable defense to go alone with it, which would mean even Gekko's omgwtfbbq att bonus isn't sufficient enough to make att useless. So you're telling me that weaponskilling with food = weaponskilling without food. The marginal str you gain from eating food does not represent the damage boosts you recieve. WS'ing with attack gear on is stupid, but eating curry is not.
I hate to do something like this, but go look up Failure on Phoenix, he is known for crunching numbers, and I believe the last 2 foods he has bought are Marinara +1 and Yellow Curry. The attack would have far less of an effect on Y/G/K than an increase to fSTR and WS mods would.
Ifrit.Zibo said: So you're telling me that weaponskilling with food = weaponskilling without food. The marginal str you gain from eating food does not represent the damage boosts you recieve. WS'ing with attack gear on is stupid, but eating curry is not. I hate to do something like this, but go look up Failure on Phoenix, he is known for crunching numbers, and I believe the last 2 foods he has bought are Marinara +1 and Yellow Curry. Nice dodge, bro. That's been fully realized, it's that you are getting the SAME str from Curry (more if you use red) and the att. Acc can be completely disregarded in most cases, meanwhile the att does still play a role.
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: The attack would have far less of an effect on Y/G/K than an increase to fSTR and WS mods would. Unless the bonus on y/g/k doesn't cap attack, which would be... hardly ever. |
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