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 Siren.Stewie
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By Siren.Stewie 2009-12-24 22:40:01
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You're going to be capping ACC as SAM with Pizza. Ace's ~> Walahra is a 2.7% increase in tp gaining/tp DoT, from a pure haste standpoint if you have good buffs (march/march/haste).
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 22:40:13
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Pandemonium.Cipher said:
Honestly gettin rid of Smi 1 for ws and the hauby vs hach? really? Aint no way anyone in your ls has a full time SAM. On one hit WS u want to stack as much STR as you can. Hauby is great for TP dont ws in it tho, Hach Domaru is alot better for Ws. I personally use Cerb for tp and ws in smioldon, i dont have access to haidate and i use Cerb on my pld as well so its a ez investment for me vs foragers. But i agree with the others sounds like your ls doesnt have alot of sams.


I am sorry but what you say is not credible considering you use shinsoki over onimaru (same price range)

also for your TP you use ruby ring over ACC ring, potent belt instead of life belt (why lose 2 ACC for 3 str for tp? str for tp is pointless) and you WS in potent over warwolf belt. for 1 hit WS you get a huge ACC boost why lose 2 str for 8 acc? doesn't make sense.

you cant rag on his LS for being fulltime sams since you make some bad decisions yourself.

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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-12-24 22:42:49
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If by Life Belt you mean Swift, I agree.

Ahligieri's right about the Attack, by the way. Midrange HNM and up the pieces with STR and Attack we've mentioned will beat those that have only STR.
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 22:44:10
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
If by Life Belt you mean Swift, I agree.

Ahligieri's right about the Attack, by the way. Midrange HNM and up the pieces with STR and Attack we've mentioned will beat those that have only STR.

I am assuming he cannot obtain swift belt.

so I am thinking of the next best thing which would be life belt.(excluding virtuoso because its new and R/EX)
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 22:49:08
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Alexander.Helder said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
If by Life Belt you mean Swift, I agree.

Ahligieri's right about the Attack, by the way. Midrange HNM and up the pieces with STR and Attack we've mentioned will beat those that have only STR.

I am assuming he cannot obtain swift belt.

so I am thinking of the next best thing which would be life belt.(excluding virtuoso because its new and R/EX)


yep hes on 4-2 but so headlong is his best haste belt or Velocious/speed/sonic but GL with that. I'd probably just use headlong on everything that werent gods or hnm.
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By Odin.Ahligieri 2009-12-24 22:53:09
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Is it me or do SAM gear threads get more heated than other jobs?
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2009-12-24 22:55:44
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lolsams with lolsam opinions grow up and stop arguin over stupid ***this isnt an arguement thread it was a post to deal with what the guy needed/lacked...btw acc+10 DA+2 better than acc+2 more and attack lol at attack on sam....only time u want attack on sam is if u have a relic gk build for kaiten u guys all are opinionated and most are wrong also.
acc stp and haste combined is the way to go not attack....
any all sam ws that are used generally are single hit aside from rana if u wanna argue with what i say idc i see my numbers and other lolsams on my server who use lolattack builds i have np trumping most.

smilodon +1 acc+3 augment....aside from wut u guys say ur forgetting cuchlains mantle but i saved about 4 mil with my back.

anyways no need to argue or fight over a stupid thread no ones right or wrong every samurai is unique in there own way GO SAM!
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 22:58:05
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Odin.Ahligieri said:
Is it me or do SAM gear threads get more heated than other jobs?

its because its HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE easy to gear sam, for general purpose anyways.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-12-24 22:58:29
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Valefor.Mattyc said:
lolsams with lolsam opinions grow up and stop arguin over stupid ***this isnt an arguement thread it was a post to deal with what the guy needed/lacked...btw acc 10 DA 2 better than acc 2 more and attack lol at attack on sam....only time u want attack on sam is if u have a relic gk build for kaiten u guys all are opinionated and most are wrong also.
acc stp and haste combined is the way to go not attack....
any all sam ws that are used generally are single hit aside from rana if u wanna argue with what i say idc i see my numbers and other lolsams on my server who use lolattack builds i have np trumping most.

smilodon 1 acc 3 augment....aside from wut u guys say ur forgetting cuchlains mantle but i saved about 4 mil with my back.

anyways no need to argue or fight over a stupid thread no ones right or wrong every samurai is unique in there own way GO SAM!
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Odin.Ahligieri said:
Is it me or do SAM gear threads get more heated than other jobs?
More bandwagoners -> more posters -> less average intelligence in an average SAM thread?
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2009-12-24 22:58:39
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blah blah ACP blah blah DOMARUUUUU

SAM TP 6-hit build with 20% haste works good enough for me.

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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-12-24 22:59:56
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That's not a 6-hit o_O No Rajas.

EDIT: Wait, waiiiit... Need to delete that Sniper's Ring bro.
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2009-12-24 23:01:32
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
That's not a 6-hit o_O No Rajas.

EDIT: Wait, waiiiit... Need to delete that Sniper's Ring bro.

yea i noticed, forgot to fix that after i got the rose strap <.< lol

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By Valefor.Mattyc 2009-12-24 23:02:34
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nightfyre ur not even samurai lol so ur opinion = ???
but ya no rajas there no 6 hit sorry =/
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-12-24 23:03:04
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Valefor.Mattyc said:
nightfyre ur not even samurai lol so ur opinion = ???
but ya no rajas there no 6 hit sorry =/
Math is hard.

EDIT: So hard, in fact, that I can't do it unless I have that job at 75.

For Christ's sake, it's basic *** algebra.
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 23:03:13
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Carbuncle.Zanno said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
That's not a 6-hit o_O No Rajas.

EDIT: Wait, waiiiit... Need to delete that Sniper's Ring bro.

yea i noticed, forgot to fix that after i got the rose strap <.< lol


what do you WS in? because if you just full time that stp+11 you lose 1 str ring for WS.
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By Siren.Stewie 2009-12-24 23:03:40
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Valefor.Mattyc said:
nightfyre ur not even samurai lol so ur opinion = ???
but ya no rajas there no 6 hit sorry =/

hay gaiz i had the jawb 75 b4 u so my opinion > urz u all suck lololooo!1one
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 23:04:24
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Valefor.Mattyc said:
nightfyre ur not even samurai lol so ur opinion = ???
but ya no rajas there no 6 hit sorry =/

usukane feet.

hachiman hands + rose strap

but yes rajas makes the best 6 hit unless usukane.
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By Valefor.Mattyc 2009-12-24 23:04:29
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anyways take care and have good christmas eve everyone happy holidays and tachi:gekko your neighbor with a shovel ^^d
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-12-24 23:04:29
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Rajas, Rose, and Brutal cover your STP on WS.
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 23:06:44
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Rajas, Rose, and Brutal cover your STP on WS.

No.

He has exactly +11 stp on TP

if he takes off his ecphoria he has +10 on WS with rose, rajas, and brutal

hell be 1 stp shy of a 6 hit.



If he takes off fumas and uses hachiman feet for WS hes covered but then you lose rutters.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2009-12-24 23:10:06
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Alexander.Helder said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Rajas, Rose, and Brutal cover your STP on WS.

No.

He has exactly 11 stp on TP

if he takes off his ecphoria he has 10 on WS with rose, rajas, and brutal

hell be 1 stp shy of a 6 hit.
Full STP merits = 46 STP during TP and 45 on WS. Hagun gives 11.5 TP/hit. All TP returns are truncated to the first decimal place.

11.5*0.46=5.29=5.2+11.5=16.7*5=83.5

11.5*.45=5.17=5.1+11.5=16.6

83.5+16.6=100.1
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2009-12-24 23:10:53
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Alexander.Helder said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Rajas, Rose, and Brutal cover your STP on WS.

No.

He has exactly 11 stp on TP

if he takes off his ecphoria he has 10 on WS with rose, rajas, and brutal

hell be 1 stp shy of a 6 hit.



If he takes off fumas and uses hachiman feet for WS hes covered but then you lose rutters.

as of now i only swap out to moogle head, alky and warwolf belt for ws
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By Shiva.Daimos 2009-12-24 23:11:14
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Math is hard.
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 23:15:15
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Alexander.Helder said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Rajas, Rose, and Brutal cover your STP on WS.

No.

He has exactly 11 stp on TP

if he takes off his ecphoria he has 10 on WS with rose, rajas, and brutal

hell be 1 stp shy of a 6 hit.
Full STP merits = 46 STP during TP and 45 on WS. Hagun gives 11.5 TP/hit. All TP returns are truncated to the first decimal place.

11.5*0.46=5.29=5.2 11.5=16.7*5=83.5

11.5*.45=5.17=5.1 11.5=16.6



Touche indeed, actually 100.625 no?
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 23:18:16
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Alexander.Helder said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Alexander.Helder said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Rajas, Rose, and Brutal cover your STP on WS.

No.

He has exactly 11 stp on TP

if he takes off his ecphoria he has 10 on WS with rose, rajas, and brutal

hell be 1 stp shy of a 6 hit.
Full STP merits = 46 STP during TP and 45 on WS. Hagun gives 11.5 TP/hit. All TP returns are truncated to the first decimal place.

11.5*0.46=5.29=5.2 11.5=16.7*5=83.5

11.5*.45=5.17=5.1 11.5=16.6



Touche indeed, actually 100.625 no?


I really should do my math before I talk.
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-24 23:20:50
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No, it's 100.1. I remember when I figured it out, and laughed about how close it was. It's still 100.1, which is perfect.

83.5TP for the first 5 hits, 16.6 for WS = 100.1
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By Alexander.Helder 2009-12-24 23:31:35
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Pandemonium.Vincentius said:
No, it's 100.1. I remember when I figured it out, and laughed about how close it was. It's still 100.1, which is perfect.

83.5TP for the first 5 hits, 16.6 for WS = 100.1


I like to live life on the safe side with 102.465 but will soon live more dangerously with 101.8.
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-24 23:59:54
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100.1 is perfectly safe. You can't possibly get LESS TP on a swing, so that's some pretty crappy logic there >_>....
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