"BLM Frame Can't Out Nuke A Real BLM"

For the sake of comparison,

Enmity Douse gives an indiscriminate 800/sec while operating under the ~8000 damage it takes for a BLM to cap CE, and the ~2000 damage it takes to cap VE. Ignoring ED, that means that, while maintaining proper positioning, you're afforded an ~8000 damage window in which you absolutely will not take hate off of a tank with expectant CE/VE levels. After that point, you're given a window of ~1000/minute while not drawing attention. ED is going to reset both of these windows, essentially handing you an additional window to deal that same 8000 damage before you reenter the 1000/min threshold(which numerically means 1800/min total).

A SCH starts off with the same initial boundary, and ends up adhering to the same 1000/min rule thereafter. Fully merited Equanimity, which can be used roughly 6 times every 10 minutes(lined up with ED for ease of comparison), is going to reduce 6 of your spells by ~50% every 10 minutes. I say about 50% because of the multiplicative interaction with equipment/status enmity reduction. Assuming your damage is roughly 1000/spell(again, for simplicity), that's 6000 damage every 10 minutes that's being reduced. 6000 damage is going to result in ~7500 CE, so reduce that by half, and you've got your additional threshold for damage/minute, which in this case, in total, would be 1375/min.

Before helices are considered, BLM deals roughly 425 DPM more than SCH, which is a fairly large advantage.

Things to note:

* While not often practiced, it is most efficient to cast offensive spells in -50 enmity. That means Equanimity is half as effective(CE(0.50 x 0.50), while ED remains the same.

* Helices bring additional damage to the table if viable, but it isn't likely going to tip the scales that greatly.

* BLM is still significantly better for procs.

* BLM has stun, which is always useful, while SCH's ability to switch to a healing role not only requires that they temporarily/indefinitely stop dealing damage, but that they further increase their enmity.

i do, 48 secs of stratagems recharges <3, i dont even use equanimity was just putting that to compare it vs Enmity Douse

Wish people would give PUP an try and learn how the job works rather than popping in like this. (And before anyone jumps on me for saying this without having BLM leveled, my second account is BLM95. Only thing "bad" about it would be I still have moldy/hecate instead of Novio/Hecate.)

Also, no PUP would make that WHM claim btw since the AI system makes it so -na comes before Cures. And the time between cures for a party set up IT~NM would be murder (Unless it's like a duo of nin + pup >.>)

For the sake of comparison,

Enmity Douse gives an indiscriminate 800/sec while operating under the ~8000 damage it takes for a BLM to cap CE, and the ~2000 damage it takes to cap VE. Ignoring ED, that means that, while maintaining proper positioning, you're afforded an ~8000 damage window in which you absolutely will not take hate off of a tank with expectant CE/VE levels. After that point, you're given a window of ~1000/minute while not drawing attention. ED is going to reset both of these windows, essentially handing you an additional window to deal that same 8000 damage before you reenter the 1000/min threshold(which numerically means 1800/min total).

A SCH starts off with the same initial boundary, and ends up adhering to the same 1000/min rule thereafter. Fully merited Equanimity, which can be used roughly 6 times every 10 minutes(lined up with ED for ease of comparison), is going to reduce 6 of your spells by ~50% every 10 minutes. I say about 50% because of the multiplicative interaction with equipment/status enmity reduction. Assuming your damage is roughly 1000/spell(again, for simplicity), that's 6000 damage every 10 minutes that's being reduced. 6000 damage is going to result in ~7500 CE, so reduce that by half, and you've got your additional threshold for damage/minute, which in this case, in total, would be 1375/min.

Before helices are considered, BLM deals roughly 425 DPM more than SCH, which is a fairly large advantage.

Things to note:

* While not often practiced, it is most efficient to cast offensive spells in -50 enmity. That means Equanimity is half as effective(CE(0.50 x 0.50), while ED remains the same.

* Helices bring additional damage to the table if viable, but it isn't likely going to tip the scales that greatly.

* BLM is still significantly better for procs.

* BLM has stun, which is always useful, while SCH's ability to switch to a healing role not only requires that they temporarily/indefinitely stop dealing damage, but that they further increase their enmity.

Edit: And just for clarity, this is less about who's a better long-term DD, and much more about the viability of Equanimity. I'd say that if you're one of those people who plays a so-so job in serious situations just because they enjoy it, and you're interested in bringing the best performance out of it, its not a bad thing to merit. If you find yourself in a situation where you're constantly using Enlightenment, I suppose it has merit, but I don't necessarily feel as if its that defensively beneficial.

Edit2.0: Last bit! Promise! I understand the appeal of things like Parsimony/Ebullience, but try to keep in mind that, while much easier on your stratagem timer, they're really nothing but MP-savers. You'll do more damage over time by reducing your CE.

Your automaton would only cast -na on party members if you have a water meneuver up, as long as you yourself do not get enfeebled, you can expect your automaton (with light maneuvers up) to cure whoever has the least % hp or at least regen the person with hate, sub sch to cure 3 spam in between cure 6s and pup makes a decent healer, however much less reliable than a whm obviously.

way too much assumptions and calculations with no real testing, also implying that sch can only do 1k dmg per spell with no ebullience invalidates your entire wall-o-text post, (not being a b|t ch here), and of course you had to add the usefulness of blm to add up a lil sense, we all agree blm is very useful tan sch atm when it comes to procs and stun, that is not debatable, we talking about damage here, not usefulness

Pax, which isn't limited to self-targeting, would reduce Equanimity's value to .45 enmity reduction/spell.

And while its an uncommon school of thought, if all you're doing is dealing damage, its not really terrible at all. Helices skew things a bit, but there's never a time in a battle where hitting the enmity cap matters that, for instance, two Ebulliences are better for your output than one Equanimity.

also blm proc>sch proc is debatable (in voidwatch) i find that elemental procs are helices 10-20% of the time and are elemental enfeebles ~10% of the time, as sch/blm i was procing alot more than our party of blackmages

also blm proc>sch proc is debatable (in voidwatch) i find that elemental procs are helixes 10-20% of the time and are elemental enfeebles ~10% of the time, as sch/blm i was procing alot more than our party of blackmages

since it's a pup thread, what can pup solo on abyssea?

was just some things i wanted to point out.


i havent ironed out the testing with a large sample size, but the proc on the body is atleast 5%.

anything, get some regain atmas rng auto and kite, throwing automatons at it and spamming armor piercer

The variable conditions introduced by helices make my head hurt. Full-time DD SCH maximization essentially comes down to putting all of your stratagems into helices(which also has the benefit of limiting TP/DMG dealt), or putting all of your stratagems into reducing major spell damage. You technically have 6.25 uses of Equanimity every 10 minutes, so you could Ebullience one helix in that window.

Ugh..

i need more info about pup, can solo turul too?

Its amusing to remind myself that, all calculations aside, there is no better long-term DD than BLU. Regurgitation spam in conjunction with a TA+spell once per minute has the highest damage per unit of enmity available by freaking miiiiiles.

Its amusing to remind myself that, all calculations aside, there is no better long-term DD than BLU. Regurgitation spam in conjunction with a TA+spell once per minute has the highest damage per unit of enmity available by freaking miiiiiles.

with the limitation of mp of course.

blu sux

You're just jelly. It's ok, we can't all be immortal!

You're not supposed to be posting that in these forums. It's justifies Draylo, Nightfyre and Prothescar's insanity. D:<

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE BLUE MAGES

You're just jelly. It's ok, we can't all be immortal!

well explain why hundreds of blus were all 1 single pup's ***.