So What Is Up With The Anti-pup Movement?

Im saying when the job came out, people looked at it and LOLPUP crap....

i have seen this happen my self. but i also know a few pups and they play really well,it is all the player,if the player makes 1 wrong move it can mess up the fight but over all i like pups.

what the *** game are you playing?

That had nothing to do with the way the af or relic looked. Hell when pup was first introduced it didn't even have af or relic...

The problem back then was that not many people understood how to play it properly. Then the few that did chose other jobs that could preform better without the high amount of tp feed.


Am I being wooshed? Are we talking about aesthetics changing the way a job preforms?

PUP also had crappy gear to use.

This^ SE still gives it mage gear for no apparent reason.

That was more aimed at Zangada, I agree with you that PUP can perform ok as long as they're extremely well geared, yet I think that in that situation they'd probably have other well geared jobs.

there is zero reason to play a job if the armor is ugly.

I stopped caring about that when I learned how to .dat swap.

Though speaking aesthetically Nin> all.

EXACTLY! Sometimes my masa (soon to be Amano) sam just isn't what I want to play... My samurai SHREDS people in parses, and I give 0 f***s. Some days I just want to punch stuff and use pummel.

dnc

That actually happened to me once. Some of my LS mates were in the same VW, and some blm D2'd me before we disbanded to reform the parties for the actual fight. He said "bring a useful job". Then my LS told me they got both a 3 and 5 proc (HQ and extreme), that were pup in only 4 kills of Pil. They were pretty upset actually because I didn't return to the fight. I just stepped out and let them go and do their thing.

I like pup af, it looks cute on hume f and elvaan m

I think its the most creative of all the AF3s. Its got juggling knives and ***.

still ignoring this i see :<

the excuse that PUP "cant DD or Zerg" is outrageous. PUP with maxed out atmacites and a good pummel set can easily go toe to toe with any DD as well as outdo any DD.

now, granted most of the PUPs these days are bandwagon Dynamis-Farm PUPs but a career PUP who knows what they are doing is very valuable from a DD standpoint.

also, it is kind of bad that the only thing we have that affects pets is the healing salve and the clear salves. If we even get those...might be confusing with eazy buton abyzea

it's not the puppetmaster, it's the puppet. they're freaky

I can't see what that is :(

"First world problems" Tell pup he's gimp.. extremely valoredge X-900

It's pup related, aren't missing anything.

I have to agree with the OP. Many ppl look down on PUP and ignores it's value, not only in VW but also in many other end game and non end game events. I go PUP to most if not all VW shouts in my server and only had one person rejecting me cause of me being PUP. I thank my server for trusting me. Even in my ls events I go PUP/MNK and i take care of the H2H, MNK, PUP and puppet procs since there is no MNK when i go. And i have found that i have outdmg most DDs. Only the top tier DDs with awesome gear i can't outdmg them. And even is not all about outdmging, is about surviving. I don't usually use a melee puppet since it will die fast and requires more attention. I use WHM puppet cause it will keep me alive and help the alliance whms heal the ppl in my group. Believe me, is a very reliable and fast response heal, removing enfebles and doing regen IVs to whoever is tanking it.
So i recomend PUPs everywhere to use their WHM puppets instead of the others for that reasson. And for the procs don't even worry too much, u can do puppets abilities with whm puppet with the corresponding attachemnt on. And unless is an EX proc, don't see a reasson to stop dding to set the puppet for a proc. And yes, PUP/MNK have more procs than MNK alone.
To those non-PUP friendly guys out there, give PUPs everywhere a try for VW, they can perform fine and get the job done.
And for God's sake...... DON'T FREAKIN PLAY PUP AS A BST!!! SE gave u H2H, use them!!! ><

I love pup but this isn't true at all unless you are dealing w/ severely gimp DDs(which is the case w/ most VW pugs) If the DDs have maxed out Atmacites and proper gear sets it will demolish a pup.

Maybe I'm missing something but in my server I have not seen an increase in pup in dynamis at all. Whenever I do a search for a zone there's usually 3-6 bst, 1-3 thf and dncs. If anything those jobs would be bandwagon dynamis jobs(or maybe I misunderstood what you were saying).

The reason people are so hesitant to invite a pup is due to all the gimp pos out there wearing af or aurore gear. Every job has players that are complete derps but its but for some reason you hardly ever see a rly pimped out pup.

Unfortunately it takes a skilled player to unlock the full potential of pup... which the pup community seems to lack D=

I see nothing wrong with pups af pupetmaster would be like an entertainer of sorts so their AF fits since jesters or fools were entertainers for kings and queens anyways i'm going to level a pup cause I have vere :D my monk loves it but now I can be like you want pup or monk so I can always be using my vere

Never thought I'd see the terms "PUP" and "Bandwagon" adjacent to each other.

It's not like I invite monks to vw cause I think they're the best DDs, so to me pup or monk is the same. However it's so true that many random pup you meet are...weird. Last time I partied with one he was just standing there throwing the puppet at the mob and getting close only when h2h was called and doing 1 ws at a time, waiting on regain...but then again I've also partied with a mythic pup who actually fought alongside his pets and made other dds look pathetic in comparison.
So random noobs can be met on any job so it's not like pup is a special case. On Phoenix we have an awesome Ragnarok drk who parses fights as high as a whm. Good or bad players exist for every job, that being said, pup wouldn't be my first pick when shouting either.

The difference between PUP and "top DD" is that PUP is much weaker naturally, so there's absolutely no room for error.

Yes, you can push the job to its limits and come out competitively, but if you can do that, you would have, most likely, done better on another job.

Most PUPs floating around aren't pushing the job to its limits. Lets face it: the intersection of "pet job enthusiasts" and "excellent players" is pretty small comparative to the size of either of the two groups.

A PUP killed my father, prepare to die!

Is not a matter of making a DD job or not. Jobs are not limitted to DD, tanks, healers and suports anymore. There is a mix of all, and there are things that PUP can do that a top DD can't and vice versa. If someone lvl PUP and work it out to make it all it can be, is not just to make it like a top DD, is to make his PUP, the job he enyoy, the best it can be. PUP might not be the best fit for some stuff like VW, but it can do the job and perform well and there is no point in not conidering an asset in a VW group.