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Ninja recap
Sylph.Kiaru
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-05-06 19:23:20
SCH is the best mage job in the game anyways.
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-06 19:26:08
embrava is the best mage in the game.
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By krish 2012-05-06 19:30:44
Embrava is how SE gets people to buy more accounts. New events need it but don't need much else from the SCH so no one wants to play it. Solution: get a SCH mule! And if you have that, might as well get a BRD mule as well!
Ragnarok.Eriina
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By Ragnarok.Eriina 2012-05-06 19:32:30
Basically what I've been wanting to know. Would only 1 person using dats/clipper or whatever be enough? I understand 6/6 would be optimal, but would 1 work?
Well, if you have good communication 1 person could tell the others what order to use I assume. However, if you had good communication in the first place you can do lamps w/o needing to .dat swap anyway.
I'm sure there are setups that work w/o 2SCH. I've heard people talk about using COR to great effect etc. But yeah, my group uses 2 SCH and we use communication in place of .dat swapping and apps so you don't need to "cheat" if you don't want to. Really just depends on what kind of play you enjoy I suppose.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-06 19:43:53
I just wouldnt find it fun to do the event for like a week and have all the gear lol. I would rather legit earn it than be a douche and cheat because it makes it easier.
Sylph.Kiaru
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-05-06 19:46:40
Embrava is how SE gets people to buy more accounts. New events need it but don't need much else from the SCH so no one wants to play it. Solution: get a SCH mule! And if you have that, might as well get a BRD mule as well! SCH is the best healer in the game, and can nuke as well as BLM. Not sure why you think SCH is like summoner and only invited for it's 2 hour, SCH is an amazing job overall, not even counting it's 2hour.
The problem is, SCH takes more skill to play than any other mage job(and almost every other job besides dnc and maybe pup), so finding a competent SCH is incredibly difficult and rare.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2012-05-06 19:48:06
SCH is the best healer in the game
you forgot the sarcastic font there.
Sylph.Kiaru
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-05-06 19:48:55
A WHM is only equal/better than SCH when if it has a yagrush. It's level 75 all over again.
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-06 19:50:09
Hybrid classes tend to take a high level of skill to master in the first place, but tend to be more attractive to less naturally skilled / more incompetent players.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2012-05-06 19:50:27
Hmm. You must be a pretty amazing SCH, because I've never seen a SCH be able to do all that a WHM can as fast as a WHM can.
Sylph.Kiaru
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-05-06 19:53:53
Regenga5 heals for an insane amount of hp, my cure4's heal for 1k+ without rapture and have -50 enmity, rapture cure4's are 1400+, I have haste, I have regain(they have boost-str). Our healer powers are pretty much equal, but the thing is, I have many many many many many more stratagems to accession -na all the HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE debuffs NM's and mobs use, which is why they need a yagrush to be equal to SCH.
I'm really tired right now so there might be stuff I missed.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2012-05-06 19:56:07
Divine Benison and Sacrifice are two things that come to mind when I think of why I'd prefer a WHM over a SCH between the choice of the two. And that whole cureskin thing. Not to mention and additional 2 cures and curagas if a lot of damage is being taken.
EDIT: That all being said, I'll agree that SCH can be a very good healer. I just think it falls short of WHM when considering what both have.
By krish 2012-05-06 19:57:10
But yeah, my group uses 2 SCH and we use communication in place of .dat swapping
It seem like even with vent and pre-setup lamb activation orders, a 5 lamp order floor is going to kill you dead in the water with just the lamp cool downtime. That's assuming you need 3 or 4 tries on average to pin down the order. If that happens do you just call it a loss and restart?
Please enlighten me.
Sylph.Kiaru
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-05-06 20:00:31
Divine Benison and Sacrifice are two things that come to mind when I think of why I'd prefer a WHM over a SCH between the choice of the two. And that whole cureskin thing. Not to mention and additional 2 cures and curagas if a lot of damage is being taken. Regenga5 is basically our cureskin, it's also amazing AOE healing, we can accession cure3/4 which heals MORE than the highest tier of curagas, and sacrifice isn't really needed for anything. A SCH EASILY takes the place of a WHM, and an amazing SCH far suprasses an average, subpar, or good WHM.
Perfect balance imo, now just to make RDM be an actual job again. I just wish people would realize how good SCH is and that WHM isn't the only main healer.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-06 20:02:07
Hybrid classes tend to take a high level of skill to master in the first place, but tend to be more attractive to less naturally skilled / more incompetent players. This is very true lol. I'm starting to turn heads with pup lol :)
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By Siren.Mcclane 2012-05-06 20:02:36
A SCH EASILY takes the place of a WHM, and an amazing SCH far suprasses an average, subpar, or good WHM.
I'll agree with you there. But I'll refuse to admit an amazing SCH would be better than a very good and/or amazing WHM.
I see you have SCH but no WHM, I have WHM but no SCH, we're doomed to disagree :p
Sylph.Kiaru
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By Sylph.Kiaru 2012-05-06 20:06:10
Check raenko, my WHM mule, I play only WHM on her, I know all about WHMing. ;p I just hate it.
By krish 2012-05-06 20:08:12
SCH is the best healer in the game, and can nuke as well as BLM. Not sure why you think SCH is like summoner and only invited for it's 2 hour, SCH is an amazing job overall, not even counting it's 2hour.
I've never said anything about SCH not being a great job. I think SCH is a great job, I look forward to leveling it, for all the reasons you said. But for Nyzul, SCH is preferred, nay required say most, because of its 2hr. Just go count how many posts in the SCH forum are talking about hitting 500 enhancing magic.
By Minikid 2012-05-06 21:29:16
its funny reading all these post of ppl arguing how jobs better than others and this gear better than that so on when half ppl who are 'good' are PC players and are techincally cheaters with spellcast fillmode clipper windower to dual box so on, try playing on console such as xbox and ps3 lol now compare jobs for console players not just PC
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-06 21:30:23
its funny reading all these post of ppl arguing how jobs better than others and this gear better than that so on when half ppl who are 'good' are PC players and are techincally cheaters with spellcast fillmode clipper windower to dual box so on, try playing on console such as xbox and ps3 lol now compare jobs for console players not just PC
Leviathan.Hohenheim
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2012-05-06 21:32:21
its funny reading all these post of ppl arguing how jobs better than others and this gear better than that so on when half ppl who are 'good' are PC players and are techincally cheaters with spellcast fillmode clipper windower to dual box so on, try playing on console such as xbox and ps3 lol now compare jobs for console players not just PC
you choose to play on those platforms and suck
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By Siren.Mcclane 2012-05-06 21:32:37
its funny reading all these post of ppl arguing how jobs better than others and this gear better than that so on when half ppl who are 'good' are PC players and are techincally cheaters with spellcast fillmode clipper windower to dual box so on, try playing on console such as xbox and ps3 lol now compare jobs for console players not just PC
Where is my [-]. I want it. I want it now.
Shiva.Galbir
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-05-06 21:34:02
its funny reading all these post of ppl arguing how jobs better than others and this gear better than that so on when half ppl who are 'good' are PC players and are techincally cheaters with spellcast fillmode clipper windower to dual box so on, try playing on console such as xbox and ps3 lol now compare jobs for console players not just PC Such a dead horse..
I will point out that the core components of Windower and FFXIAH.com were developed by the same people.
Posting on a FFXIAH.com message board about the implied immorality of Windower is a bit fundamentally flawed.
But, y'know, if you wanna keep arguing it...
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-06 21:35:07
its funny reading all these post of ppl arguing how jobs better than others and this gear better than that so on when half ppl who are 'good' are PC players and are techincally cheaters with spellcast fillmode clipper windower to dual box so on, try playing on console such as xbox and ps3 lol now compare jobs for console players not just PC Tis true. When I go intense gaming mode, I swap to PC. PC is basically like having cheats rly lol. THe only thing I honestly use windower for is recast and tp so that others dont have to spam their tp amount at me, and that in my opinion should already be on ffxi. But xbox is just rly difficult to play on. Lot of up and down in macro books for even the simple DD jobs like sam. I could never play mage well on xbox.
Phoenix.Fredjan
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2012-05-06 21:35:25
its funny reading all these post of ppl arguing how jobs better than others and this gear better than that so on when half ppl who are 'good' are PC players and are techincally cheaters with spellcast fillmode clipper windower to dual box so on, try playing on console such as xbox and ps3 lol now compare jobs for console players not just PC
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Asura.Kese
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By Asura.Kese 2012-05-06 21:37:27
Siren.Fupafighters said: »its funny reading all these post of ppl arguing how jobs better than others and this gear better than that so on when half ppl who are 'good' are PC players and are techincally cheaters with spellcast fillmode clipper windower to dual box so on, try playing on console such as xbox and ps3 lol now compare jobs for console players not just PC Tis true. When I go intense gaming mode, I swap to PC. PC is basically like having cheats rly lol. THe only thing I honestly use windower for is recast and tp so that others dont have to spam their tp amount at me, and that in my opinion should already be on ffxi. But xbox is just rly difficult to play on. Lot of up and down in macro books for even the simple DD jobs like sam. I could never play mage well on xbox. k
Shiva.Galbir
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-05-06 21:37:33
May as well lock this before it gets to the "no u!" stage.
By Minikid 2012-05-06 21:38:01
lol i play on pc and use windower and dual box and clipper lol i just like point out lack access console players have, and i do suck at game bc idc and i like my lol xbox controller on pc lade back player
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By Odin.Rikiyame 2012-05-06 21:38:44
its funny reading all these post of ppl arguing how jobs better than others and this gear better than that so on when half ppl who are 'good' are PC players and are techincally cheaters with spellcast fillmode clipper windower to dual box so on, try playing on console such as xbox and ps3 lol now compare jobs for console players not just PC
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Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-06 21:42:02
Windower is cheating guys.
It's bad, and you should feel bad.
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Hello, I haven't been playing nin (and ffxi for that matter) for a couple years, and I'm now struggling to find the best setup, so I would like to ask for your help for tp - ws - solo - whateverelseisneededandIdon'tknow sets. I kind of have some ideas but I could use precise information. Thank you :)
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