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 Bismarck.Elanabelle
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-02-07 13:42:57
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So, Abyssea has been around for a while now. Many players have much experience hunting Abyssea NMs and triggering the colored !! weaknesses.

And yet, I hear myth statements quite often still.

Here's some of the gems I've heard of late:

Cure spells are yellow !! trigger spells of the NM is undead.

Treasure Hunter doesn't matter in Abyssea. Only !! weakness triggers affect drops.

If the NM's name "turns yellow" due to its target disengaging (NM is still aggressive towards the party), then all the !! "procs" are lost.

If you use a trigger WS and it creates a Skillchain, it won't trigger the !!.

Elemental DoT spells (Burn, Frost, etc.) are yellow !! spells.

Ichi-level ninja spells work the same as Ni-level ninja spells for yellow !! triggering.

Tier I and II elemental magic nukes are yellow !! trigger spells.



Unless anyone has some hard evidence that I've overlooked, none of the above statements is factual ... they're all myths.
Remember when players used to think Divine Seal on a Raise shortened the Weakened Status timer? Or when the THF needed to killshot the mob to get the best Treasure Hunter effect?
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By Fenrir.Snick 2011-02-07 13:47:10
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Shut up
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By Gilgamesh.Topdogg 2011-02-07 13:48:30
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these have all been busted on like the first few days of abyssea
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-02-07 13:49:32
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Fenrir.Snick said:
Shut up
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2011-02-07 13:54:59
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When you hear those pesky voices in your head again telling you these "myths", try to hit them all with a hammer. It's easy, just aim real carefully you don't want to hit something important like your eyeball or your medula oblongata. Just remember the harder you swing the better. You're welcome!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Moonsshadow 2011-02-07 14:02:39
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Ephemeral Amoeba give 10 Azure lights.
Murex are good xp targets.

A Mnk and a Whm can do anything.
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By Sylph.Zefyr 2011-02-07 14:10:29
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
Ichi-level ninja spells work the same as Ni-level ninja spells for yellow !! triggering.

For quite awhile I thought :san were good for grellow. That has clearly been proven false long before now though.
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-02-07 14:18:18
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Quetzalcoatl.Moonsshadow said:
Ephemeral Amoeba give 10 Azure lights.
Murex are good xp targets.

A Mnk and a Whm can do anything.
MNK and WHM can do anything, and Murex are good exp(with a RDM puller). So how is that a myth?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Aaradia 2011-02-07 14:22:21
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Ragnarok.Nemesio said:
Quetzalcoatl.Moonsshadow said:
Ephemeral Amoeba give 10 Azure lights.
Murex are good xp targets.

A Mnk and a Whm can do anything.
MNK and WHM can do anything, and Murex are good exp(with a RDM puller). So how is that a myth?

Maybe their MNK and/or WHM sucks too much to do anything on their own?
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 Ragnarok.Nemesio
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-02-07 14:25:10
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If a MNK and WHM can't kill something, get a better MNK. If you still can't do it, get a better WHM. Problem solved.
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By Bismarck.Tuvae 2011-02-07 14:27:05
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Erm, !! are lost if the name turns yellow. Anytime it happens, after procing red, atmas are not gained. Easy way to test it if you think its a myth :/
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By Unicorn.Crysten 2011-02-07 14:27:51
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Ragnarok.Nemesio said:
If a MNK and WHM can't kill something, get a better MNK. If you still can't do it, get a better WHM. Problem solved.

Seconded.
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By Unicorn.Crysten 2011-02-07 14:29:13
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Bismarck.Tuvae said:
Erm, !! are lost if the name turns yellow. Anytime it happens, after procing red, atmas are not gained. Easy way to test it if you think its a myth :/

Nope, that's only if the mob goes idle and loses all aggro toward you and your party.

I've gotten the Heqet key item at least 4 times by claiming it, letting it go yellow, and having another party kill it for me.~
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 Ragnarok.Nemesio
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-02-07 14:30:07
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Bismarck.Tuvae said:
Erm, !! are lost if the name turns yellow. Anytime it happens, after procing red, atmas are not gained. Easy way to test it if you think its a myth :/

Wrong, they are only lost if the NM goes passive. Meaning it stops trying to attack people. If the NM goes yellow, but is still chasing people, nothing is lost.

Example: I was soloing tunga for the lulz with a WHM friend, NM killed me, WHM ran. Someone claimed it as soon as it went yellow, zerged it down(No procs at all) and I got KI.


edit: Literally beat with the exact same example hahaha
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-02-07 14:30:42
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Ironclad Trituator? (in response to the mnk/whm comment)
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By Bismarck.Tuvae 2011-02-07 14:31:41
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Not from my experiences but ok. Happened a few times when a friend ofmine was doing Briarius.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-02-07 14:38:28
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Not sure if this has been properly tested, but it has occurred in my LS at least twice.

If someone gets initial claim on a mob (For instance, if they want the KI from it) and then claims another mob and starts fighting it, they will lose initial claim on the first mob (it will go to whoever hits it next).

On more than once occasion we've had someone pull a KI NM, it came with a link, then they attacked the link before the NM. Someone other than the initial puller got the KI.

Some more myths:
TH is lost if the NM goes unclaimed/neutral. (I believe someone posted proof in another thread showing that TH is not lost, even if the NM goes neutral/loses all hate)

weakness procs effect empy weapon item drop rates (Only TH effects the drop rate).
 
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By Asura.Echandra 2011-02-07 14:49:20
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I need attention too so here goes:

1. Full Moon facing the proper elemental direction with thf on Kill shot will give you full drops, even if you don't get blue/red/yellow !!!

2. If you say "grellow" while fighting the mob, it's a sure thing that one of your spells will proc if you don't bring all the triggers. However, someone might punch you in the face for using such a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE term.

3. Asura pickup groups are safe friendly groups that will help you always achieve your abyssea goals with no problem. Unless your ally fights and breaks up over whether or not Odin procs Azure on kills.(It's pearle, just in case you didn't know)


I also agree with the get a better monk and whm approach of things.
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-02-07 14:52:48
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Asura.Echandra said:
I need attention too so here goes:

1. Full Moon facing the proper elemental direction with thf on Kill shot will give you full drops, even if you don't get blue/red/yellow !!!

2. If you say "grellow" while fighting the mob, it's a sure thing that one of your spells will proc if you don't bring all the triggers. However, someone might punch you in the face for using such a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE term.

3. Asura pickup groups are safe friendly groups that will help you always achieve your abyssea goals with no problem. Unless your ally fights and breaks up over whether or not Odin procs Azure on kills.(It's pearle, just in case you didn't know)


I also agree with the get a better monk and whm approach of things.

1. There is no way anyone is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE enough to think that.

2. Grellow is an awesome term, and I believe it has been submitted to become an auto-translate term(Kidding)

3. Asura sounds like Rag.

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By Diabolos.Artfuldodger 2011-02-07 15:03:38
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That light obtained from melee killshots is spelled 'perle'...
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By Valefor.Quickmart 2011-02-07 15:03:47
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
If the NM's name "turns yellow" due to its target disengaging (NM is still aggressive towards the party), then all the !! "procs" are lost.
Similar: I've deliberately reset the triggers before because we didn't have something. Just going unclaimed though won't lose !!'s already triggered but I keep seeing people say that it does or they say triggers can't be changed when I've done it >.< If you haven't got any procs to lose and nobody is around to steal mob going idle (not just unclaimed) for a second isn't a problem.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-02-09 08:54:21
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Gilgamesh.Topdogg said:
these have all been busted on like the first few days of abyssea


That's just the point, Topdogg, exactly.

The myths I listed in the OP have been disproved for a while, yes. However, I still see lots of players adhering to these myths during gameplay.

I'm just trying to spread the word so fewer people waste their time propagating myths to the FFXI public. I'm not trying to save the universe -.-
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By Diabolos.Artfuldodger 2011-02-09 09:01:46
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
I'm not trying to save the universe -.-

But Abyssea is an alternate universe...
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-02-09 09:09:11
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Anyone who believes in any of those "myths" are tards, lol
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By Cleaver 2011-02-09 09:34:35
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I had a good 1 yesterday "not opening gold chests increases AF3 base item drop rate!" really ? you tested this right ? "no, but it dose" riggght..... -lols-
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By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2011-02-09 09:40:12
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Charisma enhances Provoke!
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-02-09 09:52:06
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That Farsha is a good weapon lol..
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By Cerberus.Finalvegeta 2011-02-09 09:54:36
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Sunburst can proc red!! for darkness
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