NNI - New Setups

actually even with sword strap don't think they could 8 hit

He was JP, perhaps he was trolling in VW. I honestly don't care and it's off topic, I've never liked the majority of SAM on Cerberus most of them fail badly even with Masamune.

I've seen a AF3+1 SAM using TP bonus GK (names Athomik) Consistently out DD many SAM with 90 masamunes in VW. And by a considerable margin.

I would like to take an Apoc DRK to NNI as it is now, see how they do with the lack of cures etc.

Sword Strap and Aces Gloves might do it

Well fine :/

When it comes to SAMs on Cerb, I gotta agree. :P
Most of them are HORRIBLE, whever there's a parse with a SAM they end up last.
Except that one out of a 100 parses when there's actually a good one.

Can't imagine the drgs then, amirite?

They win parses way more often. :P

Then I added my maths wrong? his gear had next to no STP. He had a rajas ring which was the total of his STP, he full timed PDT armor on Qilin (I grant that he had his reasons to and this wasn't his best SET but still a dumb way to fight Qilin).

The point was he had a good weapon, but played in a way that didn't bring it to it's full potential.

Sigh <waits for the drama to continue>

Seen it twice were a DRG was 2nd to a Rag DRK, never seen one win tho.

Just wearing a Rajas is enough to get better than an 8 hit.

Let's just focus on the NNI setup and not whatever other crap is going on.

Fine, despite Conagh's highly questionable claims, SAM is still completely viable for NNI.

Has anyone tried DRG in NNI actually since the updates? Wondering how self cures would work now with the loss of Embrava.

can 7 hit masa naked with no merits.

Completely agreed. I didn't want to point fingers, but I meant his stuff by crap.

SAM does quite well, if they're not "trolling".

Never said SAM wasn't viable for NNI, just in this instance our SAM was beaten by 1handers.

However................... I may have forgotten to mention the SAM was never getting haste. He just bitched at me in ls after seeing this >_> (and consequently reminded me)

Where as the BLU and WHM could evidentally self haste. That probably sends the results off somewhat I guess.

So I'll hold my hands up and say....

Just finished a few successful runs in a row. It's definitely a lot easier now.

DRK/SAM (Apocalypse)
DRK/SAM (Gram, 5/5 Resolution)
SAM/WAR (???)
WAR/SAM (Ukon)
SCH/WHM (Lamp duty)
BRD/WHM (Mana Boost + March x2, Minuet)

Just keep Protect/Shell up, Regen V and Regain when you can, and use songs every 2-3 jumps. Easy. Embrava is not necessary.

A 99 masa sam, fulltiming seigan/third, /nin and with average gear should still out DD a winja by a mile, even without haste.

Conagh also, brd songs are BY NATURE aoe, and a good brd (even if they have to use latent ring, they're by the rune anyhow so blood aggro means nout) can almost insta cast marches/mazurka's, making buff delay moot.

Also, with how ofter a sch will need to buff, the brd will sing/roll as they do so.

As for brd/smn. Not the worst idea but if u have blu's in ur group, thats 1 less DD in need of haste per blu u have, and lets be honest. If a sch cant keep perpet haste on 4 DD with a fair degree of certainty, that person doesn't deserve NNI gear beyond complete NQ. Imo the nerf did great things for helping ensure noobs such as that don't get access to NNI HQ gear without extreme difficulty. Elitist rant over.

My group have tried drg a few times. A good drg will hold its own just fine, though if they come /mage then don't take em. DT sets, a good restoring breath setup and /sam will keep any non-HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE drg standing without issue.

Sorry, The brd who was casting them in our group was casting them using Pianissimo. Therefore single target.

I never said he was a good brd, which I've not seen a BRD in a Song delay set up (a serious one) since meripo's.

From the experience I had, the brd starts casting too late to hit all the DD, which is why we found him chasing individuals and spamming pianissimo better

I have the luxury I guess of knowing a fair few brds with -song casting sets, but honestly if they aren't prepared to put the effort into making their job effective, they shouldn't enter any form of group activity with people who put in more effort.

Ask anyone on cerberus, this server has very few quality players (I realise thats going to generate alot of animosity but its true).

That said, of those how are good, are VERY good. There's no real middle ground on cerberus

I'm aware (spent time on cerb), though in many ways its no different on most other servers. Its also plenty possible for people to improve if they want to.

I'm interested in this test as I main drg as often as I can (non emp/relic).

Restoring breath is every minute, which might be enough, but I can still put up good numbers /rdm and main heal in a group... Might be a viable solution to healing and keeping dmg.

Anyone on Quetz willing to run a test? ^^;

I'm highly considering a COR instead of one of the heavy DDs. Not trying to rag on COR, I just use "heavy" as a term for pure DD jobs.

How do you think a set-up of BRD/WHM, SCH/RDM, DRK/WAR, WAR/SAM, COR/WAR, MNK/WAR would work out?

Cor buffs are too slow in comparison to the 30 min duration - we tried it but it offered too little, and its not easy to rebuff individuals all the time. As a DD it'll do well on phys resist stuff (custard comes to mind) but unless u get spammed with 4~5 of those, a melee would do better.

@Sanriku as i posted b4, drg is fine. If you gear right you don't need /mage to survive solo, and /mage gimps ur DD by 1 X hit/hasso or 10 DA/berserk if nothing else. DRG/SAM can rock house though.

I did this as cor on Saturday and it worked well. Thing is you have to roll every jump (my order was 1. fighters 2. chaos 3. evokers for the sch or tacticians for me depending on mp). You roll the minute you jump... don't screw around and don't double up 6+. You'll want a luzaf's ring as well. I went /dnc and was able to box step and haste samba for bosses. Plus I got a random weapon skill off on the kill all floors usually. With that being said I wasn't subbing in for a dd, I replaced the brd b/c no one in my static has a daurdabla.

I'm the Winja Con is talking about. >_>;; It wasn't as big as he's making it, but at the same time, it isn't something to be overlooked. Highest WS was around 3.7k, 2kish on bosses, I wasn't doing too terrible. It seems the one-handed update was very good to me. I used to go DRK, but Winja proved to be a good counter for 100 boss with Esuna spam.

I love Corphish! Too bad I'm marrying Pleebo.

If you play ur job well hoshi then u'll do fine on whatever, I'm just ocd for optimal.

@Corphish dont mistake me man! I'm not shitting on winja DD, not at all. Even if u can't match a 2h dd, as u said it's not to be overlooked because of it's utility. What I was shitting on was the claim of a 99 masa sam losing parse to a winja, which sorry is a bit hard to swallow.

Hey Corp remember that awful Uptala?