Pup In Neo Nyzul
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Pup in Neo Nyzul
ok, Why dnc? Never did NNI with dnc what am I missing with it?
Leviathan.Brotherhood said: » Some people only have Mage jobs like Whm and Smn and Blm, so Pup is their DD not everyone has all jobs 99 with pimp gear. So if they have pup Still do not see why they can not do NNI So level another job? I like pup and all, but the JA delay + pets not getting embrava make it sub-par for this event. Bst is in the same boat. If you have h2h merits/vere for pup, why wouldn't you at least level mnk? Leviathan.Brotherhood said: » ok, Why dnc? Never did NNI with dnc what am I missing with it?
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Traxus Some people simply do not like Monk or War or Drk or Heavy DD, they Like Pet jobs like Smn Pup Bst. I have all jobs 99 but I have a number of friend who do not like Non pet jobs. I am asking for their sake
This isn't the old level cap 75 days. You can basically get a job 1-99 in a day and skill up/gear in about a week fairly easily. Sometimes you just have to level a job for an event. It's the way it is.
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the big thing about nyzul isle is alot of running and embrava, jobs like SAM WAR and DRK can get 100+ tp running and 1 shot or almost 1 shot mobs with a WS, Pup is mostly white damage. Monk is good because it can formless strikes and its high hp/counter etc lets it survive easily.
Ive never tried pup in NNI (not with embrava anyway) so i can't say for sure, im sure a good pup can do better than a shitty sam etc, especially with enfire, but for the most part pup is subpar for this event Asura.Jadecc said: » the big thing about nyzul isle is alot of running and embrava, jobs like SAM WAR and DRK can get 100+ tp running and 1 shot or almost 1 shot mobs with a WS, Pup is mostly white damage. Monk is good because it can formless strikes and its high hp/counter etc lets it survive easily. Bolded: Not sure if relevant. Also don't discount the dmg of pummel or smite on pup. Those are two pretty nice WS. Again, not saying pup is like god in NNI, but just sayin, it's not THAT bad imho. /shrug. Carry on. Odin.Eikechi said: » Asura.Jadecc said: » the big thing about nyzul isle is alot of running and embrava, jobs like SAM WAR and DRK can get 100+ tp running and 1 shot or almost 1 shot mobs with a WS, Pup is mostly white damage. Monk is good because it can formless strikes and its high hp/counter etc lets it survive easily. Bolded: Not sure if relevant. Also don't discount the dmg of pummel or smite on pup. Those are two pretty nice WS. Again, not saying pup is like god in NNI, but just sayin, it's not THAT bad imho. /shrug. Carry on. lol okay yeah. No but seriously @ OP tell your friends just to level MNK and gear it up, should only take 3 days tops to be near top gear -NNI ofc. Will be way easier than convincing any group that "My pup is good guys seriously", when it's hard enough to let a MNK join just because WAR / SAM / DRK ***on it so much. Odin.Eikechi said: » Asura.Jadecc said: » the big thing about nyzul isle is alot of running and embrava, jobs like SAM WAR and DRK can get 100+ tp running and 1 shot or almost 1 shot mobs with a WS, Pup is mostly white damage. Monk is good because it can formless strikes and its high hp/counter etc lets it survive easily. Bolded: Not sure if relevant. Also don't discount the dmg of pummel or smite on pup. Those are two pretty nice WS. Again, not saying pup is like god in NNI, but just sayin, it's not THAT bad imho. /shrug. Carry on. Formless strikes for the PDT Custard is a MASSIVE Help. Huge. Don't discount it.
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Cerberus.Balloon said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » Asura.Jadecc said: » the big thing about nyzul isle is alot of running and embrava, jobs like SAM WAR and DRK can get 100+ tp running and 1 shot or almost 1 shot mobs with a WS, Pup is mostly white damage. Monk is good because it can formless strikes and its high hp/counter etc lets it survive easily. Bolded: Not sure if relevant. Also don't discount the dmg of pummel or smite on pup. Those are two pretty nice WS. Again, not saying pup is like god in NNI, but just sayin, it's not THAT bad imho. /shrug. Carry on. Formless strikes for the PDT Custard is a MASSIVE Help. Huge. Don't discount it. It can help, but it's also not necessary. There are plenty of ways through it. Scholars, Requiescat, Tomahawk, etc. Monk isn't exactly ideal but it's more than adequate. ok Balloon, I guess that's a fair point, on an extremely situational occurrence. I'll concede that, but I'm not sure formless strikes is a selling point to take any DD. Not to mention pup's quick ability to change DD types for their puppet on demand. Also a blu should be wrecking said custard anyways :P
Odin.Eikechi said: » ok Balloon, I guess that's a fair point, on an extremely situational occurrence. I'll concede that, but I'm not sure formless strikes is a selling point to take any DD. Not to mention pup's quick ability to change DD types for their puppet on demand. Also a blu should be wrecking said custard anyways :P It's not, because any decent group is going to have no problem getting through PDT custard through at least one of the many methods to get through it.
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PUP doesn't exactly have a quick way to change pets. Especially when the entire time, you're not doing damage unless you're auto attacking something.
Fenrir.Sylow said: » Show me the loot pool screenshot from that and I'll be impressed.
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Assuming intelligent players and top of the line gear, SCH SCH PUP MjolWHM DNC BLU will probably do only slightly worse than SCH SCH DRK WAR DRK SAM.
Edit: I can count.
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Bismarck.Faelar said: » Fenrir.Sylow said: » Show me the loot pool screenshot from that and I'll be impressed. http://guildwork.com/users/amagaeru Look at the obtained item 1 day ago. Fenrir.Sylow said: » Assuming intelligent players and top of the line gear, SCH SCH PUP MjolWHM DNC BLU MNK will probably do only slightly worse than SCH SCH DRK WAR DRK SAM. PUP is so bad, it has to go in a group of 7.
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Honestly you're asking a bit much OP. Get on SCH and hope you join a group that can even get to floor 100. (I have yet to join a single PUG that could)
I'm going to convince a group to actually let me go melee WHM at some point.
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Fenrir.Sylow said: » I'm going to convince a group to actually let me go melee WHM at some point. Lets do it. You're {Impossible to Gauge} Fenrir.Soulstealers said: » Can pup fit into neo nyzul? lol Soul didnt we talk about this already..... I'm pretty sure i said Mnk is the better choice for it. As much as I Love my Pup I understand that there are some places Puppetmasters just should not be. Once you understand that, maybe you to can be a better Puppetmasters.
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All things considered, As others have said, a good 5 man group can support a 'leech', So if you had say, great gear and a 99 Kenkonken or something, I can't imagine you'd be too awful a DD to the point you'd cause consistent losses.
Neo-Nyzul is really though, Just one of those events where optimal is in most instances the only way you'll reach floor 100 in any reliable way, So its hard to fit lesser DD jobs into that. I would say KKK would definitely put pup into a level that is a "good" DD anyways though Karb.
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Odin.Eikechi said: » ok Balloon, I guess that's a fair point, on an extremely situational occurrence. I'll concede that, but I'm not sure formless strikes is a selling point to take any DD. MNK :/ As for weapon changing the job that much, Maths would be required. Most jobs can chew Nyzul not because of their weapons, but because of how they can be played and their normal mechanics. I have a hard time believing Kenkonken making PUP viable whereas any other weapon can't. Ramuh.Austar said: » PUP doesn't exactly have a quick way to change pets. Especially when the entire time, you're not doing damage unless you're auto attacking something. Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » ok Balloon, I guess that's a fair point, on an extremely situational occurrence. I'll concede that, but I'm not sure formless strikes is a selling point to take any DD. MNK :/ As for weapon changing the job that much, Maths would be required. Most jobs can chew Nyzul not because of their weapons, but because of how they can be played and their normal mechanics. I have a hard time believing Kenkonken making PUP viable whereas any other weapon can't. That's absolutely true, our drks didn't have the scythe though unfortunately, and having that to utilize did help us. |
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