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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2012-08-29 00:52:09
Beating Ornstein and Smough.
Dat feel.
GDI, I typed up a nice helpful post too :(
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By Asura.Odakasan 2012-08-29 00:57:32
Bahamut.Raenryong said: »My new problem is Ornstein and Fatty. (Biggie Smalls, Dumb and Dumber, Beavis and Butthead, etc.)
Holy crap the run back there is probably more angering than the boss fight, even though I do the shortcut jump from the stairs to the second floor.
Dem giant guards :( The boss fight itself seems pretty self explanatory until I turn out to have no chance of attacking either one of them without getting flanked, generally by Ornstein's madgood DRG abilities (dat dragon slayer)
Scratch all that. *** this boss.
Which do you want to kill first? You'll have to kill both first for completion's sake (on NG+) but Ornstein is a lot harder to kill second on NG+.
General battle strategy:
Run around outside of the room, getting them caught on the opposite sides of pillars. WATCH ORNSTEIN AT ALL TIMES! If your shield is good, you can tank both of them (even Smough) pretty easily - though not both at once.
Killing Ornstein first? Fairly easy. Just keep running until he overextends to attack you. Hit him a bit (has long recovery times) but don't invest too much Stamina, and repeat!
Killing Smough first? Harder by a good amount. Can either try to make some distance and force Ornstein into doing his lightning bolts (need to be far but not too far from him) and let Smough rush you => punish him, or repeat a hit&run attack.
Phase 2!
Whoever survives will become a lot stronger(and bigger) and have HP restored to full. They will have more or less the same attack patterns as before, except faster/stronger. Both of them gain this slam attack which will do excruciating damage (if Smough) or good damage (if Ornstein) around a large aoe around them, so back off whenever you see them rise up into the air.
Ornstein gains a new stab attack which is difficult to evade and does very high damage (might oneshot depending on build). Telegraphed by his blade glowing all lightningy.
Smough's weapon is now electrified so tanking him will be painful for you.
Regardless of which it is, you can still use pillars to recover and stuff. It may be advisable to save ranged damage until the second phase as that is when attacking safely becomes very hard. Finally, remember Humanity doubles as a healing item (longer use time than Estus - beware).
Good luck! Many people consider O&S the most difficult boss in the game if done solo.
I'm sorry for making you write all that ; ; I beat him 6 minutes prior to that post.
I kited endlessly, taking out Ornstein first as he missed his flying lunges into the pillars.
Phase two I did the same kiting for Smough, making him charge into pillars and leap attack into them as well, throwing in a dash attack with a Black Knight's Halberd.
Repeated until they died, the only danger was Smough's overkill lightning slam. Damage was reduced heavily blocking with the Black Knight's Shield.
I have a small question though, do you get the Firelink Shrine firekeeper revived if you take out the guy in the Black Eye Orb?
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2012-08-29 01:43:47
Yes, if you take out the guy with the black eye orb, she is revived.
You place her soul back into the cage.
BTW, depending on who you kill second, that determines which armor can be purchased from Doomhall.
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2012-08-29 17:40:55
I am so enjoying a faith build character, its only lvl 55 right now, but I can already see my character, Dr Zeus, working quite well with PVP stuff.
By bubblybernie 2012-08-29 19:54:11
that dog with the sword in its mouth is awesome, just sayin
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2012-08-29 20:04:06
Sif is amazing. When ever I fight him, and he howls, my dog stares at the speakers and has even howled with him. Makes me lol every time.
The shield you make with his soul is pretty awesome. Sword is kinda cool too, but the stats needed to make it a powerhouse are kinda silly.
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By Asura.Odakasan 2012-08-29 20:44:44
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-30 11:44:47
I'm kinda stuck atm :(
I didn't think about bosses really when making this character build, and I'm so stuck on the four kings atm :(
I have a chaos rapier +5 and a chaos black bow of pharis +2, but when I get him to 50% all 4 have spawned by then and I get murdered.
This will be a problem... I might have to do the catacombs to upgrade my bonfire to 20 uses, and I probably should upgrade my flask as well... it's still only +1. I've just been rushing through this build though, only 5 hours in.
I might just have to change some armor though to reduce magic dmg taken... I'll see.
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2012-08-30 12:12:08
You should have just duped your box for your new character to have your armor and weapons from your main character!
Four kings , you either dodge all the hits, or you zerg it with stoneskin and heavy armor.
If you have enough STR and a heavy weapon its pretty easy.
If not, then you have to dodge dodge dodge and separate them. If you notice them bundling close together, just pull them apart by running around a bit, then chisel away.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-30 12:23:13
I don't like to dupe :x
but I'm going to try out poise to win the battle, going to go try it now. I have some +5 giant's armor that might help
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-30 12:31:09
lol... that made such a difference. Made the 4 kings a joke on NG at least <.<;
I'll learn how to dodge eventually, hopefully <.<
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2012-08-30 12:37:37
lol... that made such a difference. Made the 4 kings a joke on NG at least <.<; I'll learn how to dodge eventually, hopefully <.<
Big lava dude is the one who taught me how to dodge everything... he isn't really hard, but if he hits you it's almost a one shot.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-30 12:41:43
I can dodge CD np, but on four kings I can't.... I go left/right and they track with me for some reason. I've watched the dodging videos on yoututbe about perfect runs with all 4 kings out at once, but I can't even dodge it with 1 out :|
I need practice but it's just frustrating when I spent 3 hours last night trying to successfully dodge just one, and ending up wasting so much time that all 4 were out by 50%. Poise just let me go at it and kill one after another as they spawned.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2012-08-30 12:42:37
Turns out the October 26th release is JP only. No date is set for NA. :| Apparently this is wrong and it's being released everywhere October 26th.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-08-30 12:48:11
Any idea on when the DLC comes to PS3?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-30 13:03:04
Turns out the October 26th release is JP only. No date is set for NA. :| Apparently this is wrong and it's being released everywhere October 26th. confusing :( I hope so D:
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2012-08-30 13:05:36
Any idea on when the DLC comes to PS3? Turns out the October 26th release is JP only. No date is set for NA. :| Apparently this is wrong and it's being released everywhere October 26th. I probably should have specified DLC, but still...
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-08-30 13:14:43
oh, ok, cool.
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2012-08-30 15:21:52
lol... that made such a difference. Made the 4 kings a joke on NG at least <.<;
I'll learn how to dodge eventually, hopefully <.<
Nice nice, yeah, for certain boss fights I tend to just stack up a heavy defense set, and a strong heavy weapon and just slap on the stoneskin effect.
I'm not so great with dodging bosses for some reason, but I can dodge all day in PVP.
I can't wait to try out my Faith build in PVP !!
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2012-08-30 16:24:54
That all depends on what you plan to do , Moonlight Sword + sorcery ? Int!
Faith for lightning bolts, and force pushes.
Pyro works with all sorts of builds, depends on if you want heavy or light weapons.
Quite a few builds to make.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2012-08-31 00:43:02
I can dodge CD np, but on four kings I can't.... I go left/right and they track with me for some reason. I've watched the dodging videos on yoututbe about perfect runs with all 4 kings out at once, but I can't even dodge it with 1 out :|
I need practice but it's just frustrating when I spent 3 hours last night trying to successfully dodge just one, and ending up wasting so much time that all 4 were out by 50%. Poise just let me go at it and kill one after another as they spawned.
Key to dodging is to stay calm and be patient. You have to abuse that invincibility frame right near the start of your dodge. I always do 4kings with Grass Crest Shield on back and 2handing whatever weapon.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-31 01:09:23
I was studying shields and I kinda came up with a formula to rate them, and wonder what everyone else thinks about them.
Knight Shield+15 | 2 |
Hollow Soldier Shield+15 | 2.5 |
Caduceus Kite Shield+15 | 2.5 |
Balder Shield+15 | 2.5 |
Tower Kite Shield+15 | 3 |
Sunlight Shield+15 | 4 |
Eagle Shield+15 | 5 |
Silver Knight Shield+5 | 5.25 |
Black Knight Shield+5 | 6.25 |
I also have these with slightly different formulas:
Overall |
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Knight Shield+15 | 7.32 |
Balder Shield+15 | 7.64 |
Hollow Soldier Shield+15 | 8.03 |
Caduceus Kite Shield+15 | 8.25 |
Tower Kite Shield+15 | 8.25 |
Sunlight Shield+15 | 8.26 |
Black Knight Shield+5 | 8.70 |
Eagle Shield+15 | 8.75 |
Silver Knight Shield+5 | 8.89 |
| Bleeding |
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Knight Shield+15 | 4.38 |
Black Knight Shield+5 | 4.38 |
Eagle Shield+15 | 4.39 |
Silver Knight Shield+5 | 4.50 |
Sunlight Shield+15 | 4.60 |
Balder Shield+15 | 4.64 |
Hollow Soldier Shield+15 | 4.69 |
Caduceus Kite Shield+15 | 4.86 |
Tower Kite Shield+15 | 4.86 |
| Lightning |
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Knight Shield+15 | 3.45 |
Sunlight Shield+15 | 3.93 |
Balder Shield+15 | 3.98 |
Hollow Soldier Shield+15 | 4.02 |
Black Knight Shield+5 | 4.11 |
Caduceus Kite Shield+15 | 4.19 |
Tower Kite Shield+15 | 4.19 |
Silver Knight Shield+5 | 4.24 |
Eagle Shield+15 | 4.50 |
| Magical |
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Black Knight Shield+5 | 3.29 |
Balder Shield+15 | 3.37 |
Knight Shield+15 | 3.47 |
Sunlight Shield+15 | 3.69 |
Hollow Soldier Shield+15 | 3.78 |
Caduceus Kite Shield+15 | 3.95 |
Tower Kite Shield+15 | 3.95 |
Silver Knight Shield+5 | 3.96 |
Eagle Shield+15 | 4.50 |
| Fire |
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Eagle Shield+15 | 3.45 |
Knight Shield+15 | 3.64 |
Balder Shield+15 | 3.91 |
Silver Knight Shield+5 | 4.08 |
Sunlight Shield+15 | 4.17 |
Hollow Soldier Shield+15 | 4.27 |
Caduceus Kite Shield+15 | 4.33 |
Tower Kite Shield+15 | 4.33 |
Black Knight Shield+5 | 4.38 |
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By Siren.Kunimatsu 2012-09-01 09:04:11
Well that's the 2nd NPC I had to kill because of the ps3 gamepad design on the back triggers, I accidentally rest it on my bed and it presses the strong attack for me while facing NPCs ¬_¬ thankfully it was logan in firelink and I didn't really need him for anything else. Edit: I could have got absolution for it I know but I didn't need anything off him.
Also completely torn between my Iaito +10 and washing pole +10, I want to pick 1 as my main for my Samurai-esque main char and +15 it, but I love them both D: My build doesn't allow me to have 2 katanas in quick swap anymore :<
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-09-01 15:07:12
GK both hands, no shield.
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By Siren.Kunimatsu 2012-09-01 15:45:09
GK both hands, no shield.
I probably will drop the target shield, only occasionally use it for parry+riposting mobs I get annoyed at :3 I play 2handed for the majority of the game.
My other concern about picking between Iaito and washing pole is PvP, i'm wanting to get into it fully when i'm around SL120, is the washing pole looked down on as a "noob" weapon at all because of the extended reach?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-09-01 16:11:08
Players will call you a noob for using something no matter what <.<;
I've learned that using giant's / havel's armor is considered being a noob, as well as using certain spells. Idk, they are in the game for a reason so why should we not use them.
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By Bismarck.Nexdeus 2012-09-01 17:03:14
People who call people noobs are just sore losers.
The only noobs that I call noobs, are the ones that summon 2 others, to do a 3 v 1, and I'm the 1. That is just annoying to spawn, and immediately be slashed down.
Thankfully I've learned to roll away as soon as I spawn, and if I'm lucky, I'll roll away into a safe spot. Then AOE their *** with some pyro spells, or now with my faith spells.
AOE ftw.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-09-01 17:12:01
*noob moment*
I got on FFXI today and tried to backstab a goblin. Seriously. Going back to dark souls :\
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-09-01 17:19:39
I must buy this game.
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June 20, 2012 - Dark Souls discounted to under $30 on Playstation 3 and Xbox 360
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