Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
The bonus that Kogarasumaru gives to Third Eye doesn't really help tanking the way you think, it's not defensive.
How is more evade during third eye NOT defensive?
Tachi: Shoha
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Tachi: Shoha
How is more evade during third eye NOT defensive?
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Eva takes time to proc!!
I also never said SAM needed a mythic to tank, just mentioned how it would help a SAM tank. I imagine I would actually put some effort into an eva set if I got a mythic but would all be pointless for high end content. does nobody realize sam has like a B+ in evade? That's not THAT bad all things considered lol.
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Tried out Shoha yesterday on VT worms and tortoises in Gustav Tunnel. I'm only @ 1/5 merits on the WS so far, but it definitely is a strong and practical WS. It was a 3 SAM EXP party, and we could constantly make all kinds of Skillchains to enhance Damage Output.
Kasha >> Shoha >> Fudo (or Shoha >> Kasha >> Fudo) was splattering mobs; lots of fun, as far as EXP goes.
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You need only Konzen-ittai>Shoha and the mob can drop dead.
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: » Bismarck.Fonseca said: » I see what your saying but I just checked you and you don't have Masa or Amano. So maybe you shouldn't be saying anything? I have both and my main is SAM and I am going for Mythic and I hope it burns like some other owners have told me. I guess I'll just roll with the punches. Best post in the thread. Mythic > Emp = Relic > Tpbonus just like it should be. Edited the order. Emp and Relics are about equal, if ACC is capped Emp will beat Relic. (most things) But after doing T6 VW yesterday and parsing 90% acc with my relic and most DDs well below that, there are times where Relic > Emp.
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Outside abbysea :D
 Odin.Eikechi said: » Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: » The bonus that Kogarasumaru gives to Third Eye doesn't really help tanking the way you think, it's not defensive. How is more evade during third eye NOT defensive? (didn't backread so I don't know if that's what he was saying, but it's the practical impact)
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Odin.Eikechi said: » Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: » The bonus that Kogarasumaru gives to Third Eye doesn't really help tanking the way you think, it's not defensive. How is more evade during third eye NOT defensive? (didn't backread so I don't know if that's what he was saying, but it's the practical impact) Anyone who used SAM for actual tanking should be familiar with this kind of logic. That's why calling this a defensive GK (which has been a common idea since it was released for some reason) has always been quite wrong.
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Pretty sure I said in an earlier post how eva wont matter on high end content but muh, would still throw togeather an eva set if I ever got one. It came across unclear because before now the use of hasso was just never mentioned. Automatically assumed seigan was up but I do all my tanking on WHM anyway :D
Looking at Studio Gobli again... they tried to do some testing to figure out attack bonus from Shoha. Earlier they said it's about 36~50% attack boost, but now changed to 22~43% attack boost.
Not much difference from my statement on page 4 Either way, this is the most interesting part:
http://wiki.ffo.jp/html/15175.html http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7859#post139162 I'm pretty sure that most of us don't understand anything so here is the useful information: Someone asked what was the "Enhances "Third Eye" effect" doing exactly and the GM explained that it ... enhances the counter rate but doesn't enhance the "time" it lasts, under Seigan only. Therefore, could someone explain the "eva" part? Edited, forgot an important detail. Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: » Either way, this is the most interesting part: http://wiki.ffo.jp/html/15175.html http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/7859#post139162 I'm pretty sure that most of us don't understand anything so here is the useful information: Someone asked what was the "Enhances "Third Eye" effect" doing exactly and the GM explained that it ... enhances the counter rate but doesn't enhance the "time" it lasts. Therefore, could someone explain the "eva" part? :O I always thought the enhancement was an eva boost while third eye was active. With each trait it was +10 eva(so by 99 its +50 maybe >.>) but its such a rare mythic that finding solid information is extremely rare. No one on rag even owns one so not even anyone I could try and ask Q_Q Which is the better Shoha body.
Avant Mail +1 or Fazheluo Mail +1 I'm assuming Avant Mail, but probably about to buy one of the 2, so I wanted to be sure. Fupafighters said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Will probably be around 300 mil to buy the items needed for a level 99 emp. 99 Masamune does indeed have 20 str and glows. But for 300 mil, I rather get 2 relics instead of some base damage and 5 str. Or be a boss and get Kogarasumaru. I like how I just got called dumb and am apparently a noob by someone who doesn't know how sam works or can't understand what OA2-3 does for all damage.
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Bahamut.Serj said: » Fupafighters said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Will probably be around 300 mil to buy the items needed for a level 99 emp. 99 Masamune does indeed have 20 str and glows. But for 300 mil, I rather get 2 relics instead of some base damage and 5 str. Or be a boss and get Kogarasumaru. I like how I just got called dumb and am apparently a noob by someone who doesn't know how sam works or can't understand what OA2-3 does for all damage. Well don't you know? double light >>> OA2-3 obviously. Who needs faster tp build/ stronger wses when you can double light?. BTW fusion -> frag -> light is just as strong as light -> light = light in terms of SC boost.
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Leviathan.Snakeslice said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Fupafighters said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Will probably be around 300 mil to buy the items needed for a level 99 emp. 99 Masamune does indeed have 20 str and glows. But for 300 mil, I rather get 2 relics instead of some base damage and 5 str. Or be a boss and get Kogarasumaru. I like how I just got called dumb and am apparently a noob by someone who doesn't know how sam works or can't understand what OA2-3 does for all damage. Well don't you know? double light >>> OA2-3 obviously. Who needs faster tp build/ stronger wses when you can double light?. BTW fusion -> frag -> light is just as strong as light -> light = light in terms of SC boost. . . . . . . .
Shoha is better than fudo. You can use Shoha with masamune, btw.
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Bahamut.Serj said: » . . . . . . . Shoha is better than fudo. You can use Shoha with masamune, btw.
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Fupafighters said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » Will probably be around 300 mil to buy the items needed for a level 99 emp. 99 Masamune does indeed have 20 str and glows. But for 300 mil, I rather get 2 relics instead of some base damage and 5 str. Or be a boss and get Kogarasumaru.
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Only time fudo is ever worth using is if you have excess tp and happen upon 300. (Good to start voidwatch with, or to use a dusty wing and get aftermath back up with)
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so..worth finishing tp bonus GK to 99 now?
Fupafighters said: » Bahamut.Serj said: » . . . . . . . Shoha is better than fudo. You can use Shoha with masamune, btw. Isn't that what like every single person in this thread said already? God reading this guy's posts makes me lose brain cells.
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Shiva.Viciousss said: » so..worth finishing tp bonus GK to 99 now? If you don't have relic/mythic/emp, yes, very much so. Not sure how Murasamemaru fairs tbh, can 6 hit with low delay, high base damage, and decent stats on it... but... the tp boost from 100 to 200% on shoha is extremely large.
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Whats a good mob to do some parcing on? I'll try to get some ideas on how TP bonus 99 compares and get back to yall on that.
Bahamut.Serj said: » Shiva.Viciousss said: » so..worth finishing tp bonus GK to 99 now? If you don't have relic/mythic/emp, yes, very much so. Not sure how Murasamemaru fairs tbh, can 6 hit with low delay, high base damage, and decent stats on it... but... the tp boost from 100 to 200% on shoha is extremely large. alright, thanks, its been sitting at 85 for a year, but I held onto it. I asked earlier in this thread, but idk if anybody ever answered.
How does OAT trial gkt (high dmg one) compared to tp bonus? Speaking of 99 TP Bonus GK, anyone know what the final trial is for it? Wikis haven't been updated and I'm not near a Magian moogle to look. Probably gonna make one of those when I get Shoha upgraded some more.
Final trial is 500 ws lizards.
Pretty sure 5/5 shoha with kantonotachi beats everything in ws dmg. |
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