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Random Thoughts.....What are you thinking?
By Afania 2025-06-07 13:56:04
WoW is the same age as XI and you don't get that there. False. Not just the few years difference in the age of the games but XI is of the Everquest generation of MMOs. WoW STARTED the next generation of MMOs.
And much to my disappointment we are STILL in the WoW generation.
"Modern MMO" has evolved into Fortnite and now Roblox type of games...yeah those aren't traditional MMORPG but they provided social interaction and sense of community that people used to seek when they played MMORPG back in 2004.
That's why MMORPG is stagnant IMO. The market for social interaction games always existed, but now customers prefer something else now.
(I think it's also why plenty of people in FFXIV enjoyed housing and dancing more than hardcore raid, they play for social need.)
By Kaffy 2025-06-07 15:11:51
Yoshida was brought in on 14 after studying WoW pretty extensively, right? So to SE, at least, it was different enough from other MMOs of the time for them to want to copy it. Granted this was after years of operation for both MMOs, and obviously WoW had grown beyond imagination while FFXI and FFXIV 1.0 came nowhere close.
Would be interesting to see sub numbers side by side in the 2005 timeframe
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By Garuda.Chanti 2025-06-07 16:02:06
WoW is the same age as XI and you don't get that there. False. Not just the few years difference in the age of the games but XI is of the Everquest generation of MMOs. WoW STARTED the next generation of MMOs.
And much to my disappointment we are STILL in the WoW generation. FFXI released 2002
WOW released 2004
Blizzard started development for WoW in 1999, the same year SE started development for FFXI FFXI has evolved a lot in the last 23 years, the FFXI on release is nowhere near the same as the FFXI during SoA. But to suggest that FFXI and WoW are complete era shifts is outlandish. It was a total paradigm shift.
Yes, XI is not what it was. But it still has time sinks like airships and boats taking actual travel time. Has it gained quest markers? (Did EQ have quest markers?) I could go on and on with the differences of the EQ era and the WoW era but, in a nutshell, XI followed a formula WoW set out to break that formula and it did.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-06-07 17:05:43
What makes Wow "the new era"? Quest markers and the lack of airships and boat time sinks (the latter actually having content within)?
By Seun 2025-06-07 17:45:32
Technically, WoW is both eras. Classic retains all of the elements of old MMOs. Retail strips away the barriers and allows access to content for more casual players.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-06-07 18:33:05
Ohhhhhh having not watched the trailers I didn't know Until Dawn Was a super tropey Cabin in the Woods type movie. Would've watched it a lot sooner
I thought it was just generic horror everyone dies, which I'd still watch, just not as enthusiastically.
Wow! If only I had known, this is pretty good. Not cabin in the woods good, but good enough
By Pantafernando 2025-06-07 19:15:50
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-06-07 19:18:08
By Viciouss 2025-06-07 22:31:00
Damn an Expanse RPG? Sign me up! One of the best sci-fi shows I've seen. Great book series.
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2025-06-07 22:53:30
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By Bahamut.Negan 2025-06-07 23:12:02
Technically, WoW is both eras. Classic retains all of the elements of old MMOs. Retail strips away the barriers and allows access to content for more casual players. Hate to disagree but "classic" is just old WoW, which is only so-old. Chanti nailed it.
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By Bahamut.Negan 2025-06-07 23:13:53
What makes Wow "the new era"? Quest markers and the lack of airships and boat time sinks (the latter actually having content within)? Lack of zones, too many things. Play EQ or SWG and see for yourself.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2025-06-07 23:48:12
I will never understand this doomer mindset that can be seen on here (specifically here), WoW is the same age as XI and you don't get that there. Same for almost every other mmorpg. You don't see it on places like the XI reddit sub either, they are just happy to be playing the game.
It's a hobby, it's a game you play as a hobby. Some of you take this way too seriously. I never read people talking like this anywhere else, not on WoW, OSRS, Everquest or anywhere else.
I think it's just a bunch of depressed people honestly.
Go take a pill. lol
quitting can be hard, especially something you've done for 20 years, addiction or not. I think making a list like that is a good step to realizing why you are unhappy with something you used to enjoy. I'm coming to terms with being done with FFXI myself, I come here still but don't really play at all. got rid of all the accounts that had any progress done, so even if I get the urge I can login, but quickly realize I can't be assed to do everything over again.
I quit for 3 years after being addicted for more than a decade. I don't miss FFXI 95% of time now.
Last free log in campaign I logged in for free stuffs, and that's the only time that I slightly want to play more. SE almost succeed at taking my money away last free login. Almost!
Then I move on to other games and quickly forgot about FFXI.
Life without FFXI(or really just any time consuming activity) is too good with wide variety of other things that I can do. I can read more books everyday, participate in trpg or board game groups irl, join painting and crafting workshops, go to dojo, occasionally travel, and visit friends and family.
I can also play wider variety of video games than just a few per year. Which is a nice way to experience different game genres.
Recently I subscribed to kindle unlimited, can't wait to read even more books.
Personally, I think having different hobby makes quitting way easier. They will take your attention away from FFXI. Lovely post
What makes Wow "the new era"? Quest markers and the lack of airships and boat time sinks (the latter actually having content within)? Themepark experience
2 years (less actually) from 2002 to 2004 were enough for me as an FFXI player to appreciate the difference between WoW and what came before it. The change started and kept going over the years.
By Draylo 2025-06-08 00:13:34
I will never understand this doomer mindset that can be seen on here (specifically here), WoW is the same age as XI and you don't get that there. Same for almost every other mmorpg. You don't see it on places like the XI reddit sub either, they are just happy to be playing the game.
It's a hobby, it's a game you play as a hobby. Some of you take this way too seriously. I never read people talking like this anywhere else, not on WoW, OSRS, Everquest or anywhere else.
I think it's just a bunch of depressed people honestly.
Go take a pill.
Its mostly from people who quit. They just dont like when others are still enjoying something they left behind.
By RadialArcana 2025-06-08 00:24:10
The thing people refuse to accept is many things are generational and do not carry forward well into the next. The mmorpg genre is very much like Nintendo, in that they are not aimed at young people but adults. It's not an XI thing where it's almost exclusively 30+, this is across the genre.
The MMORPG genre is mainly a type of game that was built during and appeals to people who are 30-40+ (even XIV is like this, the only difference is the 30-40+ year olds that play it prefer casual games over hardcore grinders), majority of younger people don't want to play these kinds of games and play different types (Minecraft, fortnite, genshin etc is the zoomer games, which will also be generational to them). The only way to change that, would be to totally change what an mmorpg is.
The MMORPG genre and potential audience is full of 30+ year old adults, and when you have a genre like that you can't keep making new games cause there is a limited audience. and people attach themselves to one and play it long term.
Also if you know this is the case then the age of the game isn't a negative but a positive (just as you see with constant remakes, appealing to people who played those games are teenagers), if the company is willing to spend money to excite people back to a game they enjoyed when they were younger it's going to be far more effective than making a new game.
Wow is full of the same age of players as XI, same as New World, same as XIV, same as all these games. The only difference is there are more women playing XIV than WoW or XI. They are still almost all 30-40+ olds playing it though, and you notice this very quickly in every mmorpg community (even new mmorpgs that come out end up being full of ex wow adults who are around the same age as you)
By Seun 2025-06-08 00:54:20
Technically, WoW is both eras. Classic retains all of the elements of old MMOs. Retail strips away the barriers and allows access to content for more casual players. Hate to disagree but "classic" is just old WoW, which is only so-old. Chanti nailed it.
It's a thundermelons to pamamas comparison to be fair.
Vanilla WoW is a standalone game. Vanilla FFXI wasn't. It's only a fair comparison if you compare the 75 era of FFXI to the 60 era of WoW.
WoW launched in 2004, but the classic version is circa 2006.
FFXI launched in 2002, but the classic version is circa 2010.
By Pantafernando 2025-06-08 04:02:26
Ok, I messed stuffs...
I started reading Oshi no Ko thinking it was the "Rent a Girlfriend", but just now I saw the thumbnail of another youtuber bashing Rent a Girlfriend and... noticed my mistake.
Funny, and here I was thinking that at some point those high schoolers would start protitution and manipulation, as its hinted by the showbiz shows.
I suppose my expectations would never meet.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-06-08 06:08:25
Gross. They're doing a second season of Day of the Jackal. Really.
How the hell does that happen. How the *** does that ***have an 8.1/10 and 85% Audience score.
By Dodik 2025-06-08 06:24:58
Other than the horrific female co-lead, who won't be in season 2 thankfully, I liked Day of the Jackal.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2025-06-08 06:34:34
Well if they drop her, that will definitely improve the show.
She die in the first season? Couldn't even finish the first episode.
By Dodik 2025-06-08 06:39:20
The best episode was the one she got shot in the head in.
It was as badly acted (by her) as you can imagine.
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By Pantafernando 2025-06-08 07:16:12
The best episode was the one she got shot in the head in.
I think this spoiler above
more incentivates you to check it than skip it by how it leaves in a cliffhanger
By Pantafernando 2025-06-08 07:29:43
Recently i found a life trick that is quite obvious, but I hadnt thought before.
Instead walking 30 minutes to go to gym (and another 30 to come back), i could simply run and reduce the time to 10 minutes, and also cutting down my aerobics in 20 minutes, with a net gain in time of 1h.
When youre old, gaining one extra hour (maybe 4h weekly) is game changing.
Obviously this doesnt apply to you filthy nerds, that drive to get to the gym just across the street to so stationary bike…
By Dodik 2025-06-08 07:30:06
That's not my problem if you can't stand not clicking on spoilers.
Vader is Luke's dad.
George RRRRRRR. Martin is never finishing A Song of Ice and Fire.
By Pantafernando 2025-06-08 07:31:25
My answer is
Nothing.
Have a great day.
Garuda.Chanti
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By Garuda.Chanti 2025-06-08 09:36:25
even XIV is like this, the only difference is the 30-40+ year olds that play it prefer casual games over hardcore grinders XIV has content for hard core grinders. I think 10 - 15% of the players are really into it.
Its mostly from people who quit. They just dont like when others are still enjoying something they left behind. I quit when XI evolved into something other than the game I knew. I am happy that people still play it, that its still getting new content, and people still find it fun.
Helps keep the nostalgia alive.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2025-06-08 12:33:14
Article on creatine:
A Recent Research Review Highlights The Role Of Creatine Supplements Beyond The Gym
mindbodygreen (Which I had never heard of before this article.)
By Dodik 2025-06-08 12:52:16
Yes, there's all sorts of research coming out saying creatine helps with memory and brain function, health benefits etc etc. Why I started asking about it.
I've been taking it on and off for.. 15 years or so. Mostly off.
My take is that it's a supplement like any other. Our bodies do produce it, but need to eat red meat to get it and trigger production and absorption.
If you get enough of it from your diet, there's little benefit in supplementing on top of that and this is true for literally any supplement.
Especially at the kind of dosage usually used, 5g per serving. Creatine in the body is measured in mg not g.
For a non-workout-holic, you can just try a small 1g dose per day. It's supremely safe, with all this research that is the one thing we can say for sure.
By Kaffy 2025-06-08 13:09:51
xbox getting FF7 Rebirth, FF16, and a new handheld. oh and calladooty of course.
By Viciouss 2025-06-08 13:34:12
xbox getting FF7 Rebirth, FF16, and a new handheld. oh and calladooty of course.
Looks like it's remake, not rebirth. And 16 is available today.
This is a thread that I found on another website I post at. It can be really really interesting. I thought it deserved a place here.
Post your random thoughts for the day here, or anything else that intrigues you.
For starters, is it possible to give constructive critism to someone who doesn't have a neck? I totally just walked by a girl who didn't. Someone isn't getting a necklace for Valentines day!
And who decided black and white can't be colors? I want to say a racist. I really do.
Inb4thisthreadgetsreallywtf
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