March And Minuet, Or March X2 For Merit Birds?

Ok, let's say the party setup is:

Polearm sam x3, cor, brd, Haste Mage.

What songs are better?

Victory March and Minuet IV? Or March x2?


Also let's say you don't have a Cor, and in the place of the cor is another polearm sam so:

Polearm sam x4, brd, Haste Mage.

Would March and Minuet be better than March x2?

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Edit: Also would a DNC be better than a polearm sam in both of those situations?

March x2 and yes.

Double march will pretty much always win.

I will find links/do maths if required, but I'm pretty sure most people will agree.

Would you mind, I don't want to put you out at all, but I'd like to see how much of a difference there is between most situations :D

Only if the DNC doesn't suck.

http://ffximath.risen-guild.com/?p=16

There's a couple different factors not taken into account here but the base haste level was rather low anyway; in realistic situations it favors double March even more. The one realistic scenario where March/Min is even worth considering is maybe Salvage if you're trying to limit TP feed, but depending on the quality of your group it's quite possible for the kill speed to be preferable.

what rolls will the cor be doing?
cuz i'm pretty sure their food will get eatin away every few fights unless they're 2-shotting everything.
their acc would be somewhat far from cap?

Crab Sushi is dirt cheap.

Corsair/Chaos, and bring more food? I usually take 5+ stacks of crab sushi(meat for jobs/setups that can).

Assuming the cor is using chaos + cor roll.

Ok well assumming its an "average" sam
engetsuto,polegrip, tiph sting,
w.turban,chiv chain, brutal/fowling earring
hauby, hachiman kote/dusk gloves, rajas, sniper/toau ring
foragers, swift/headlong belt, byakkos, dusk/hachiman feet
their acc is ganna be pretty bad. unless they wanna eat sushi continuously just to last 1~10 fights

Correct answer.

Crab Sushi doesn't cost much!

I don't really merit without double BRD or BRD and COR but if i did, i would go with Marchx2 if i was the BRD.

As DD i would much prefer double march, with decent gear march will far outweigh the att boost from Minuet and nobody these days should need Madrigal on Birds.

+1 for March x2

Polearms already have high damage rating and with the high delay I'd think the speedy kills would be worth more then a few extra damage points.

yeah sure crab sushi is cheap but it won't give you capped acc.
but for example. sole sushi gets you way closer to capped acc and also gives u dmg modifiers for ur ws

It's better than no food.

Please if your a DD in a merit party at least eat crab sushi if you're not capped.

Ok I was hoping not to get called on it, but here goes.

Lets say 1 SAM does 1 unit of damage with no BRD, DNC or COR buffs, just haste from the RDM. The SAMs have 18% haste from gear.

Double march on 4 sams:

Assuming they can ride hasso full time they have moved from 43 haste to 63 => 20/37 = 54% increase in Global damage.

So 4 sam 6.16 units of damage.

Assuming they can't ride hasso (inb4 get better healers)

Tha gain drops to 45.5% so the 4 sams do 5.82 units of damage.

Minuet + March on 4 sams:

Minuet is 55 att, which is going to be around a 9-10% increase in global damage (assuming ~450-500 attack).

March will be 11/46 = 20.37%

So a total of ~32% (being generous) so a total for 4 SAM of 4.81 damage

Double march on 3 sams + dnc:

10 haste DNC on top of the double march, so a total of 73%

10/27 = 37% increase over the double marched SAMs, so that's a total of 2.11 damage per SAM so the total damage is from the 3 SAMs is 6.33 units of damage.

So before you account for the DNCs damage the 3 Double marched + haste samba'd SAMs beat 4 SAMs with double march (but no DNC).

This is a rather simplistic comparison but you can see DNC owns in merits.

would march x2 hunters and chaos/fighter/cor roll
and allowing DD to eat meat be better
than
march x2 chaos/cor roll
and eating acc food?

March x2 always.

Nope, corsair roll is badass.


Also, yea march/march, always. I'll put it this way. If it comes to the point where minuet > march, rep that DD, because his gear is ***.

Hunters isn't likely to cap you, its only ~20 acc.

Sushi + all the haste in the world is the best way to DD (unless you can cap acc w/o sushi and dropping no haste)

you're right but if the cor rolls a 4 or 11 and it gets supercharged by comm.tricorne then it will cap you or put you very close to it. thats the part i forgot to add. under that circumstance will it beat the other setup?

Don't rely on luck.

If you have a COR than can proc the hat 100% of the time and land on lucky/11 number every time then drive to his house and give him/her oral sex.

I did some math the other day, and assuming capped Haste, Hasso, double March, and Haste spell, a fully meritted Haste Samba is about a 25-30% increase to attack speed and WS frequency. And that goes for all three of your DDs.

30% increase to 3 people is like a 90% increase so as long as you can DD 10% as well as those SAMs, I guess you're a worthwhile party member on DNC.

i'm pretty sure it isn't "luck" based. but maybe your sex life is.

if the cor is decent and they play their cards right, usually they will land a lucky #. and roughly 33% of those will be supercharged. but anyways, you didn't answer my question.
also back to Flionheart,
you're bard will almost always be doing marchx2 with setups that you mentioned. there maybe some circumstances/situations based on party setup or w/e that will change. but whatever method you're using and you're raking in vast amounts of exp, stick with that :D

according to this there is never a situation where march+min is better damage than 2x march. He even concludes that if your dds have 0 haste gear they are about the same.

To better support this point, you can flip my math and assume you have Capped Haste, Haste spell, single March, and fully meritted Haste Samba. The added 9% from Advancing March will give all your DDs an increase of about 24-27% damage over time. Even increasing Attack by 30% won't come close to doing that, let alone the ~10% that a Minuet IV gives.