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Oh, we all have Shining Ones, sorry. Just noted the PREMAs.

Everyone is lacking a Shining One, which I think is a huge benefit, especially for the WAR + DRG. Any reason why nobody has gotten one yet? Would solve your Savage Blade issue for the WAR instantly.

I generally agree with this logic, and it's what I often hear people say works best on paper. However, in practice, I've found it simply better to use the better WS, as that usually more than covers the reduction in group damage as a whole with the wall. Example: our 9b used to always tell the BRD to Mordant in basement/Aminon so everyone else isn't walled, but after allowing the BRD to Savage for several runs, even with the reduction in everyone else's individual damage, it ended up being a net positive in the end.

In practice, having your weakest DD on the strongest WS makes more sense than having your weakest DD on the weakest WS, if (like you said) they are geared properly (if they are not geared for savage they will equally suck on mordant, so it's same difference). It's the same logic behind allowing the GEO to nuke first in a MB Sortie strat, since he is the weakest nuker after SCH and BLM; GEO going first gives the best damage to your weakest participant, and the stronger ones can compensate for the damage cut because of their native skill/ebullience, as this order doesn't "hurt" overall group damage as much as going BLM > SCH > GEO

Something else to consider in his comp, if they are bringing WAR, he will likely have fulltime Tomahawk for every fight. WS wall reduction (or any SDT mechanics) is lowered with Tomahawk, so he might be able to afford having an additional Savage user.

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Because sometimes the BRD hasn't lullabied yet, or lullaby missed a couple mobs? Just drop a Dispelga. It's bigger AOE than Lullaby, plus half the mobs in Limbus will have buffs up anyway so it's a two-fer. Maybe get rid of some Protects/Shells/Minnes and stuff as a bonus.

I guess I'd flip the question around, idk why Curaga would make more sense than Dispelga. Maybe if MP was a concern but it isn't.

I already carry this gear for my RUN so it's just inv-1 for the ambuscade cape if I make it. Which after this discussion I likely won't, but I still intend to use the other enmity+ pieces. Cuz why not?

Which is really the point of this discussion. It's not a "how do I fix this massive problem?" question like you seem to be reading it. It's a "I've noticed every once in a blue moon the BRD needs to pull more stuff after we're at camp (Apollyon turtle floor comes to mind, BRD sometimes runs off to pull more raptors), what can I do to maximize efficiency in those rare situations?" question.

Let's face it, majority of the time this game is pretty easy. I could GEO heal most Limbus runs in my sleep, but it's in those rare moments where something slightly off-script happens that the more prepared player can really shine, and I live for those moments. It's what I love about this game, the diversity of gear and swaps allow you to prepare for all sorts of eventualities. Why stop at "good enough"?

Don't forget about Widened Compass too, although I usually save it in case this happens with a blazed bubble.

Sure most of the time that should be what happens. But it won't always be the case. The aforementioned turtle floor comes to mind, or maybe you come upon another party and so you end up with less mobs than you expected during the pull. Stuff happens.

Do you guys really only prepare for the ideal scenario?

Never thought of Dirge on the Bard. Every bit helps! Especially if the group is killing fast enough that the BRD isn't really engaging anyway. Seems like a solid idea!

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Could have gotten him lower with more lehko (possibly)! Wouldn't have made a difference for clear but if you can quantify the gains there's no detriment bringing it along for a push I'd suppose. Could be the difference between 1-2% loss and a win.

It's also the best ring for anything that relies on crits (Breaking mamool ja weapons? Imp horns? Ixion horns?) Unsure if all of those are crit reliant. You get the point anyway.

So the thing does have uses. How useful it is certainly is less impactful but this would not be FFXI if you couldn't find several niche uses for most weird/strange/strong-but-what items.

Use case would not be DRG tp sets or.. Idle set?

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Getting to like 1000+ titles and doing every roe (sans crafting shield) should be easy and mandatory compared to the weird grindy stuff that we only started doing because we ran out of other things to do

Get gp for each craft in advance as well before you bother leveling/deleveling anything and attempting that mess. It's just a daily task and it's gonna take a WHILE to get the gp for every key item, item, title, etc for each craft.

I'd 2nd /blu if it were possible, among what geo/whm could do best I can see is maybe tag brd with cure then cycle some barspells, but it really seems like too much work just to grab from a lullaby. But that's ~1/300 CE/VE(tag cures likely not adding anything?) for 10~% the cost of dispelga and can quickly be spammed, could get more if others are on the hate list but doubting that's consistently the case in this situation.

Yup, good point. I got lucky and got a shaper's shawl like 10 years ago.


Ah ok, this is a fair point. I do have less than 150 titles left and I'm at 933 RoEs ...I guess I could hit 1000 and do some of the easier "content completion" areas first, before I do GP items.

I guess I'm just saying that none of these ultra grindy tasks like all monstrosity 99 and all crafts de-leveled for GP, 1000 MMM mazes, brown mage, 100k limbus points, all campaign ops etc are in no way mandatory for rank 9. (I had done like 2 limbus climbs at rank 9, i'm still at like 45k now, zzz) So you will probably have more fun doing a little bit of all this between other content that will do more for your rank than these things. Unless you're specifically doing it for science of course :)

The answer to this is yes (actually 98, not 99) - and yeah it's a pain but honestly "only" going to 98 mostly skips the really bad skillup sections.

(that said I'd still wait until a skillup campaign, and don't forget Shaper's Shawl exists, this thread is basically the only place to find people who actually get enough mileage out of it to bother)

Good catch, I did not keep that in mind

Wouldn't pulling more mobs on the way to camp by yourself or one of the other party members so the BRD doesn't have to go and grab more save you the inventory slots while solving the problem?

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I would say it depends how much dmg the other savage blade users are doing.

Cor should be on savage for sure. Brd can be on savage if they do enough dmg with it.

If brd is being boxed, has lower ranked WS gear or for any reason is not contributing enough dmg to justify them being on savage blade, then they should not be on savage blade.

Does war (savage) and brd (dagger/FBII) do more dmg than war (chango) and brd (savage).

That will let you decide who should be on what. The goal of the group is to kill in shortest time.

What determines that is not just composition and weapons it's also gear ranks, being boxed, play style and so forth.

On some bosses, A/E, C/G, cor can use hot shot for more dmg than savage even. That frees up a savage spot.

Keep in mind Sirvente only reduces enmity loss, it doesn't give any +enmity at all.

It won't be totally useless for maintaining hate..but it will be pretty close.

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i've seen and done many runs on GEO/WHM, but I never found myself thinking "if only i had more enmity gear" tbh.

I usually follow this rotation:

-stay close to the BRD while it pulls, once it reaches the camp, there's enough time to throw Frailty (can precast BoG at start of floors in most cases and will still be up once you reach the camp), meanwhile the BRD will take some expected dmg pre-lullaby, but with 4000+ hp it's perfectly fine.

-Once frailty is up, Curaga 3 centered on me or the BRD to hit everyone or a cure IV on the original puller to enter the enmity list and activate frailty on mobs.

-At that point it's either gonna be "start erasing/-na ppl", or throw more Curaga 2/3 etc etc.


I struggle to understand why wasting inv slots for irrelevant enmity gear on GEO, in most situations BRD will already pull enough mobs at the camp, and i personally never noticed what worries you about BRD going away from camp pulling more and mobs following it, never! Not even when i run as DD or RDM!

Idk, honestly i think you're overkilling it in this case, for no real benefit as the situations you thought about aren't common nor ideal or that dangerous to begin with. Even if the BRD keeps hate, he can pull from range, mobs might follow it for few y and then come back to the bubble. I often get hate without Enmity set by just throwing curagas 2-3 once frailty etc are up, but i let ppl take enough dmg before throwing subsequent curagas after the first to put myself into enmity list!.But seriously, you can heal through anything as GEO/WHM with MP refilled every floor.. this whole argument feels like a non issue in my experience.



...Unless you'll tell me that healing the puller doesn't put you into the Enmity list within Limbus, idk why Dispelga would make more sense than CUragas, ppl taking dmg is a non issue and actually helps you generating more enmity, while that situation where BRD gotta pull more enemies adn they will follow him instead of fighting DDs is so rare in my cases, that it truly is a non issue to me XD. It's like those rare instances where mobs will be placed horribly and half of them will be too far from Frailty... in those cases i just Full Circle>Geo-Frailty again once ppl move to those mobs and call it a day, tbh with good parties you can get sub 35 minutes temenos runs and things die so quickly that it's whatever.

...but it's your inventory and your sub at the end of the day : P

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Sadly the use case for this is generally when I'm main heal so it's GEO/WHM.

I've had decent success holding it off BRDs with Dispelga but I hear your logic, and in hind sight it's probably just because I can usually get the first action bonus.

Well, you can get enmity+ on merlinic via DM augs <,<; If you wanna burn the inventory on that.

But, I can tell you right now... Dispelga has virtually no CE/VE. It's 1 CE 160 VE. And that VE will drain to nothing in 2.6~ seconds. Basically, by the time you can cast it again.. it's all gone, except for that 1 CE. And a GEO's limited enmity set isn't gonna improve that by much. It's fine for getting on the hatelist to begin with, but... It's not doing much to build actual hate. Horde lullaby is 20 CE base. You're not gonna keep hate off the BRD with dispelga if they slept the mobs, unless you wanna cast that 20 times before they leave. And if the BRD tagged any of those mobs before aggroing to pull them, then you're looking at a 200 CE pull bonus you'd need to overcome.

The only way you're keeping hate with dispelga is if the BRD was only aggro'd to begin with. Although... I suppose, technically, if your enmity set can get that VE to last a bit over 3 seconds, then constant back to back spam could keep the mobs on you vs a lullaby's CE. But.. Dispelga costs a lot of MP. SO.. it's hard to imagine that degree of spam being sustainable.

Unless the specific mobs are dark sleep resistant, I think it'd make a lot more sense to GEO/BLM, and sleepga the mobs the BRD aggro's. That or you'd need to sub something with something actual enmity tools, like /BLU. A single aoe blu spell would rip hate right off a pre-aggro tagged mob and a lullaby even without any enmity+.

Aoe Tagging with dispelga then using a self targeted enmity action is also valid, but... Can't think of many options there for the self targeted enmity action. There's cures... but... you'd need to rig up a cure cheat, since you actually need to cure for HP value to generate the enmity. And cure enmity is divided by the number of mobs on your hatelist... so if you've got a hefty pull, then you get a tiny pittance of CE/VE per cast. Furthermore, most subjobs that give you cure... also give you Tranquil heart, which reduces cure enmity(/PLD being the exception) -_-; If the pull was fairly small... it might still work for a low enmity situation like brd agro only pulling then sleeping. Still better than dispelga spam though, and more MP efficient.

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Are you saying to just do something else, that is less of a pain? At this point, everything is a slog....