Wanting Info On Rings Which Is Better?
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Wanting info on Rings which is better?
There is no better TP ring for my war/sam than rajas, dunno what your smoking~
Would you TP in a 5 str 2 ACC ring?
Would you TP in a 2 acc 2 attack ring? no, but i would tp in str+5 dex+5, store tp +5 :p
edit~ but then again I have a big axe Fairy.Shiyo said: Would you TP in a 5 str 2 ACC ring? Would you TP in a 2 acc 2 attack ring? Would you TP in 6 hit build? Hmmm :o Fairy.Shiyo said: Would you TP in a 5 str 2 ACC ring? Would you TP in a 2 acc 2 attack ring? Rajas isn't a 5 STR 2 ACC ring. For DRG it's a 5 STR 2.5 acc and a six hit ring. Bolded it since you seem to be ignoring everyone you disagree with. Seems to me like you're regarding store tp as a superfluous, pointless stat. When infact it's epic for all jobs, including DW (why the hell would you even think otherwise? lol)
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What good is store TP if it actually isn' doing anything for you, because you're a DW job? What if you DONT need the store TP for a 6 hit?
Notice how the OP is asking for thf? Yeah, stop talking about 2h, I know how amazing it is for 2h(And even then, a SAM with usu boots/body doesn't need it ^_^) Fairy.Shiyo said: What good is store TP if it actually isn' doing anything for you, because you're a DW job? What if you DONT need the store TP for a 6 hit? Um... Store TP does things for DW jobs. It, y'know... Gives them more TP a hit lol.
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Fairy.Shiyo said: What good is store TP if it actually isn' doing anything for you, because you're a DW job? What if you DONT need the store TP for a 6 hit? Notice how the OP is asking for thf? Yeah, stop talking about 2h, I know how amazing it is for 2h(And even then, a SAM with usu boots/body doesn't need it ^_^) because you can match up other gear with it to lower the amount of hits to 100tp by 1 easily. 5 str 2 acc vs 5 acc
5 str vs 3 acc Let's say we're a thf using blau/sirroco 33 DMG + 26 DMG 59 DMG 5 str will give 1-2 fstr we'll say 1 61 DMG (1 dmg to each dagger) accounting for exsisting fstr 59 vs 61 becomes 64 vs 66 = 3.125% increase. Saying thf is 70% DoT 30% WS (dot job ect) 3.125 x .7 = 2.1875% increase 3 acc let's say 80% hitrate 1.5/80 = 1.875% increase 5 str > 3 acc >.> so yes 5 str 2 acc > 5 acc Sometimes I like to
ethereal/bushinomimi rajas/balrahns when I examine my character I'm like *** yea cop/zm/au:O ***! But yea gogogogofogogogogogofo rajas is teh sexy, it also prevents me from using more then 8 gear swaps for WS cuz I play on xbox and I don't wanna hit 2 gear swap macros then the WS then then 2 tp macros O.O Fairy.Shiyo said: Notice how the OP is asking for thf? Yeah, stop talking about 2h, I know how amazing it is for 2h(And even then, a SAM with usu boots/body doesn't need it ^_^) Oh sorry, these are your forums? Forgive us for not doing things the way you like it! Omg! How dare we talk about something related to the item in question. God, we are just terrible guys. =(
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Except 5 store TP alone from a rajas will not bring senju/perdu to 1 hit less, and even then, you DA/TA(if thf) a ton, you take damage, you miss, etc etc. It is almost COMPLETELY unnoticable for DW jobs.
Fairy.Shiyo said: Except 5 store TP alone from a rajas will not bring senju/perdu to 1 hit less, and even then, you DA/TA(if thf) a ton, you take damage, you miss, etc etc. It is almost COMPLETELY unnoticable for DW jobs. That DEPENDS because it's all SITUATIONAL, as is any argument about gear you can use (except for the NO BRAINER choices.) But USELESS is not the right word to use, because THAT ADDITIONAL TP does ADD UP over the course of X number of SWINGS to reach Y hit BUILD. Even MORE SO IMPORTANT for DW because they have DW PENALTY REDUCTION to take into consideration for their TP PER SWING. Damn, random capitalisation is cool! @ vegetto, yes, it's better than 5 acc. 5 acc rings are level 40 and pretty much gimp, but is it better than 6 acc and 3 attk? 7 acc? No.
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What if your accuracy is capped by the point of coming to rings? Say you're using food (which most THF will be, like, all the time) and that extra couple of acc on the rings is superfluous. Why is Rajas useless then?
Inb4: it's not, you said it was even when someone presented that argument. you need more acc for those mobs that use perfect dodge.
Situations where rajas is fine:
1. You're a 5/5 usu mnk with 8/8 h2h, and acc capped on 99% of things with pizza, therefor the str/attk will benefit you more than more acc. 2. You're a 2h job who needs the store TP for a xhit build. 3. You're a 2h job with capped acc with pizza/meat on 95% of things, therefor benefiting more from the str/attk. 4. You're an acc capped dw job, refer to #3 and #1...very rare for this to actually exist though, and you can probably trade acc for haste or something :|. Wouldn't a blitz ring be better than a rajas in these situations? lol? it's, not, always, better. christ.
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Quote: There is NO WAY IN HELL rajas/ulths is better than lavas/kushas, LOL. Stop being like "RAJAS IS ALWAYS BETTER", it's annoying, use your brain for once and stop copying + pasting what people have shoved down your throat to believe. You might live to regret this... Rajas/Ulth vs Lava/Kusha Rajas: 5str/5dex/storetp5 Ulth: 4acc/4atk Total: 5str/5dex/storetp5/7.5atk/6.5acc I will ignore DEX because crits are hard to quantify. Lavas/Kusha: 12acc 6atk So, 5str/storetp5/1.5atk vs 5.5acc. 5str = fSTR+1.25 ~ let's use Blau/Sirocco as the combination of choice, previous fSTR = 3. Blau: 1/36 = +2.78% DoT Sirocco: 1/29 = +3.45% DoT Average: +3.115% DoT 1.5atk = ~0.5% DoT using a rough approximate for level correction 5.5acc = ~3.06% DoT/WS frequency So far, Lava's/Kusha's has been shown to provide less DoT than Rajas/Ulth. The 3.06% WS frequency will make that up though, right?... Hold on, Store TP. Due to the chaotic nature of THF TP it is difficult to quantify exactly how much it will increase WS frequency by, but it will be greater than 3.06%. Probably more around 5%+. Rajas/Ulth > Lava's/Kusha's unless your accuracy is TERRIBLE. EDIT because I can't do basic arithmetic! (4 + 2.5 != 7.5)
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actually if your a 2h job and you have rajas, you better be using it.
Let's just constantly assume everyone is at 95% acc and has 8/8 merits for every combat skill!
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Quote: Wouldn't a blitz ring be better than a rajas in these situations? lol? In theory, yah. However, when you look at it: LV 39 WAR PLD DRK BST DRG WAR: Dual Wielding, Blitz/Rajas is the best if accuracy capped 2handing: You will have to sacrifice stats if you sacrifice Rajas, so Blitz/Rajas > Blitz/other PLD: Blitz/Rajas is the best if accuracy is capped - you don't want to boot the Rajas! Typically this doesn't happen but theoretically... DRK: Blitz/Rajas: don't sacrifice for your 6hit this way (or less sacrifice for 5hit). BST: Same rules as WAR DRG: Same as DRK...ish You never want to boot Rajas while it's providing WS frequency which is basically every practical use~ EDIT: Quote: Let's just constantly assume everyone is at 95% acc and has 8/8 merits for every combat skill! My analysis doesn't use 95% acc or else the increase from accuracy would've been 0 :p I used 90% there, but the change from 90% to 80% won't make Lava's/Kusha win. You'll need a lot less... Blitz ring comment was more of a joke, not serious considering I don't ever actually think about that ring in any tp set up~
It's optimal if accuracy capped! A great addition to a TP set in today's pizza age (or even DE/Aggressor etc up), for 2handers mainly...
The blonde Boxxy has spoken, you may now ignore their posts :/
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wow thanks for all the info guys i might just do some tests myself but i wanted to see what other peole thought thank you^^ all this helped alot
Alexander.Nepharite said: actually if your a 2h job and you have rajas, you better be using it. It's too bad the OP is asking what rings to use as a THF though. Lava's/Kusha's as a THF would probably be your best bet without 8/8 dagger merits. If you have the dagger merits, and you are at (or very close) to capped accuracy with a haste build (none of that "I hit fine with my ohat and SH" bs) then Rajas/Divisor would probably be your best bet.
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Alexander.Nepharite said: you need more acc for those mobs that use perfect dodge. Neph has the whole thread wrapped up right there. Having the aforementioned setup of suppa/brutal rajas/xxxx allowes your character to ignore the game mechanics. coupled with the JSE body of your job. Domaru sams, plastron drks, barone wars ect. You Know This. This thread is also in the thief forums, so yeah why are we talking about 2h jobs again?
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Asura.Patriclis said: Alexander.Nepharite said: actually if your a 2h job and you have rajas, you better be using it. It's too bad the OP is asking what rings to use as a THF though. Lava's/Kusha's as a THF would probably be your best bet without 8/8 dagger merits. If you have the dagger merits, and you are at (or very close) to capped accuracy with a haste build (none of that "I hit fine with my ohat and SH" bs) then Rajas/Divisor would probably be your best bet. I was making a statement about what someone said about 2handers and rajas. Plus the op was answered back on page 1. Fairy.Shiyo said: This thread is also in the thief forums, so yeah why are we talking about 2h jobs again? the validity of using rajas on 2handers was brought up here. Quote: Rajas is only "zomg" for the fact that you get some accuracy with store TP on it. If in fact the rajas didn't have Store TP most people would be smacked for using it, since accuracy rings or things such as the Iota ring would be better. The main reason for getting rajas ring is not really for TP for most jobs, but as a macro piece/WS piece (i.e Sneak attack, or blade: Jin). Most poeple just choose to throw it in their TP slot out of sheer laziness without doing the math to see if the store TP will even benefit them (I.E if it brings them from an 8 hit build to a 7hit or a 7hit to a 6hit etc). If for example after 7 hits you have 100% TP exactly, and you equip a Rajas, only to get 103.5% TP after 7hits, it's a complete waste. As for having both STR+DEX on 1 ring, it's still just 3.33 acc and 3.33 attack for 2handers and 2.5 for single handers. So something like an Iota ring, or divisor ring would beat it out. As for the crit rate from the 5dex on the ring, it's such a low increase it's not even worth arguing about unless you're going for some sort of crit hit build. |
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