New Trust System - Who Will You Upgrade First?

No, I've been miserable for the last decade, wanting to kill myself the whole time. Of course I do. What kinda question is that?

Look, maybe you personally don't have any issues with the solo experience in FFXI and you're perfectly happy playing your little solo self-found FFXI experience. That's great. IDC if you jerk yourself off in the corner. I take issue with the people who solo and then come on the forums to *** about how SE isn't doing enough to lessen the grind for solo players, or how it takes 85 years to get 16 prime weapons solo.

If you want to handicap yourself and play the game wrong, IDC. The problem I have is when people whine and complain that SE isn't making their stupid ideas comparable to...the way the game was designed.

"WAH, I don't want to talk to anyone but I want R30 Odyssey gear and 16 prime weapons, why doesn't SE make it easier for solo players to clear endgame with their trusts?! The survey said we're the most important players ever!"

What exactly do you think I'm saying the game needs, here? My input has been that if you want to see primarily-solo players party more, the game needs to offer more interface support for it. FF14's party finder window (NOT duty finder queueing, which wouldn't work here) would go a long way IMO. The point is to avoid the social friction that keeps people playing solo.


Yeah, it says that this is a fun diversion for me, not a social outlet, and I am not interested in scheduling my life around the supposed needs of strangers on the internet.


I've met a ton of people in FFXI I like, mainly because we have similar attitudes towards the game itself. Crazy, I know.

And I'll say I had a grand old time teaming up with friends in the Abyssea/Voidwatch era where the game was about just up and doing stuff with minimal preparation and absolutely no stakes or restrictions. But apparently people hated the ***out of that because it was "too easy" and "bad for event linkshells", so here we are. Those people all multibox now or (more commonly) quit years ago. Can't imagine why!


Yes, it is not hard at all for me to admit that not caring for the culture or population of this game is a me problem, though I don't see it as much of a problem personally. It's not like I play single-player games and get sad because there isn't anybody for me to make friends with; why would it be any different here? If anything, I'm trying to be respectful of your space!


Well, I'm sure I'd have more than enough to busy myself with R15.

I mean, this is mainly just about having meaningful stuff to do. I don't give a ***about having the best gear. I don't need R30 to pay my mortgage.

But from how you write it seems you derive more fun from gate keeping than from playing.Afaik he's claiming he plays vanilla or with window mode only since forever. At the same time he's somehow multi boxing, holding all craft shields and plays with people who probably have some of the most sophisticated LUAs out there. At least he mentioned before he doesn't apply the same "purity" standards (for the lack of a better word) he holds for himself to others in his group, as he repeated on the previous page.


Maybe we have a different perception on what friends are. Imho there is not enough time to make HUNDREDS of friends, even spanning over FFXIs entire life time.

To me it reads more like you've spend a bit of time here and there in party with a set of random people doing random things and eventually drew a subset out of them to do your endgame. Maybe your still holding some of them "warm" by interacting with them when passing by in Jeuno, throw them a bone every now and then in case you need to replace a regular quickly.

I've mentioned it before, I really think limbus was a missed opportunity to create a space for solo players to make connections effortlessly.

They already have the ground work by restricting trusts to 3. From here all it needs is:
-No invite or trust cooldowns and no de-summoning/re-summoning of trusts on party invite
-No exp penalty on death to avoid the problem Radial mentioned-Maybe some sort of zone wide auto reraise kind of like the ATMA in abyssea provided, to negate the inconvenience of travel time due to a random causing a wipe.
-Auto pair with random people in close vicinity on battle floors, maybe with a short delay of ~30 seconds so people have the chance to manual invite people of their choice without having to return to the lobby.

You'd have little to no drawbacks and if you're not happy with your pairing cause they decided to AFK /follow and leach, which is limited by floor warps anyway, or healing is not sufficient or what ever - you just kick/disband and keep solo killing while you wait for a new pairing.

The implementation would probably also have been easier than a sophisticated party/duty finder system.

Of course if your vocation of choice is gate keeping then some of these suggestions might cause heads to spontaneously explode.

As others already mentioned, with the current mechanics in place, you definitely can have a worse outcome going with just 1 extra person than going solo. Even if the outcome turns out to be on par than when going solo you still have the drawbacks of organizing (shouting/telling, waiting till they arrive, trust cooldowns, discussing battlefield mechanics or if a job change is beneficial...) which pulls the experience into the negative.
For instance I've teamed up with a random support before to do sortie (was even decently equipped with REMA, he wasn't bad at all) and still somehow didn't get more done than when I'd have went solo.

You can make up whatever fantasies you'd like about me if it makes you feel better.


I'm not "claiming" anything. It's reality. I don't often promote my Twitch/YouTube because I don't want to be "that guy", but suffice it to say there are hundreds of hours of my gameplay online, publicly available. You're welcome to nitpick it all you want and look for evidence of me doing anything that's not in line with what I "claim". You won't find any. I play vanilla (except Windower to 2box).


I've explained repeatedly on this forum, if you or anyone is interested, how I made my shields and how I multibox. Again, if you want to see me multi-boxing you can see videos of it if you'd like to understand more. I transferred characters from Carbuncle to Asura, bought (most of) the spheres there, then transferred them back to Carbuncle and made my shields. Rinse and repeat 8 times. It's not difficult to understand and doesn't in any way contradict the way I (accurately) represent the way I play the game in discussions here.


As you point out, I've also said many, many times that I don't hold anyone I play with to my standards. I think most people would agree it's a practical impossibility to find a group of 6 people who want to adhere to the same strict, frankly absurd, restrictions I play under. Even if I could, on this tiny server, replacing someone would be an absolute nightmare. It's also kind of a *** move to refuse to play with 95% of the server because they don't agree with your idea of how to play the game.


Well, you can "sounds like" it all you want, but frankly I have a very active linkshell that I've been in for ~6 years and I've been involved in lots of groups doing content throughout the years so...I've made a lot of friends. I'm not saying that at this very moment I have 200 people that I actively play with, but over the course of my time I've absolutely made hundreds of friends. My LS Discord currently has 167 members and there are lots of people who have left, never joined the Discord, or who are a friend but not in the LS.

If you use windower you're just as much of a filthy third party tools using cheater as the rest of us, stop kidding yourself.

Just having windower run the game means you're using its default addons and plugins.

"Ah no Mr officer you see I only frequent the crack den I dont actually touch any of the stuff".

Yeah, no one cares. You're cheating. Like everyone else.

Citation needed. Give me a timestamp of a video where you see any plugin or addon loaded and I'll give you a billion gil. I'll transfer a character to pay you on the server of your choice.

Just because you don't use 3rd party tools on stream doesn't mean you also don't while the camera isn't rolling.

I'm not a fan of painting everything in one shade as in using windowers superior window mode is equally as bad as if you bot, exploit or taco, even if it all violates the ToS. If you like playing with windower only, good for you.

The part I don't understand is how you can larp full purity vanilla mode while at the same time be perfectly content profiting of others going full rogue and engaging in pay2win.


To go back on topic:
If I understand it correctly we can upgrade stats and melee/magic skills, right?
What are the caps and has anyone looked into how much extra healing would capping MND and magic/healing skill net and what stat/skill increases monberaux healing capacity or is there no correlation between stats/skill and his potions?

LOL yeah. I'm doing all the hardest content in the game vanilla "for the camera" and then secretly doing the easy ***with a completely different set of macros, maintaining equipsets and macros from vanilla and gearswaps for all of my jobs...to fool you. Yup, ya got me.


What exactly do you mean by pay2win, how am I "profiting" off of them, and what exactly do you think my teammates are doing "going full rogue"? Do you think I'm like, AFK in the corner while someone takos around the whole zone killing everything for me? I'm fulfilling my role in the party, just like everyone else is.


This content hasn't been released yet, IDK how you think people will be able to answer these questions.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Final Fantasy XI playerbase, playing the game as it was intended

I didn't know it's not online yet, I just vaguely remembered some numbers were thrown around on previous pages and this was a attempt to re-rail(opposite of de-rail?) the thread.

I'm not saying you do, my point was that the fact that someone didn't post footage of themself cheating doesn't necessarily proof that they never cheat.
There are plenty of ways to cheat oneself a advantage that can be done over night off stream. Someone could run a bot for master levels or leech from someone else's bot, they could have profited from a exploit in the past or run a AH/Crafting bot.

I don't know who you play with, I don't watch your streams nor do I care enough to search to find out. You said you don't care how other people play their game, if that means you wouldn't deny someone a regular spot in your parties despite knowing they've, for instance, been botting their high master levels then you're profiting of his cheating by proxy.

You said you've been server jumping to acquire spheres, whether that's for quantity or pricing reasons doesn't matter, you pay for a advantage.

I think the whole purity argument is kind of silly. Why should he have to livestream 24/7 just to prove he plays legit? He's obviously one of the most knowledgeable players on the forum and he's demonstrated he can complete the hardest content in the game without cheating. There's absolutely no reason to assume he is cheating off stream besides wishing it were true.

If you want to say that paying SE through an officially sanctioned mechanism to advance is cheating, idk how well that argument holds up. It's like the whiners who insist having a decent computer is paying to win at FPS.

I hope my trusts can use JA0.

Sorry, to make an on-topic post: SE is going to do what they're going to do. No amount of whining that trusts should let you solo [content] will make it true. They don't intend solo players to clear the top end of the game quickly. These aren't my opinions, they're reflected in the design of everything SE does.

There are benefits to allowing soloers to conquer some of Odyssey and make it further in Sortie. There are also drawbacks. They've made efforts to create content intended to bridge the gaps as is (malignance easing, RSE, limbus armor). However, they don't want to make the hardest armor soloable because it removes the incentive to ever group up.

You can gear up to the point you can contribute to an 8boss Sortie run solo. Maybe at that point you occasionally find and participate in those runs. I think the idea that you need to maintain a specific pace compared to group players as a soloer is a bit silly. You're not on any timeline besides the one you impose yourself, and if you're just racing to finish, why play at all?

The whole digression here was pure pedantry and totally beside the point anyway, happy as I am to let people keep reminding me why I'm not in a hurry to schedule my free time around interacting with them. The actual point was that somebody who posted this...


...sure doesn't sound like somebody who likes the game very much!

This is the crux of it, and I've been guilty of this too. Rushing and trying to do many things at once just burns you out and makes the game unfun. Go at your own pace, game will still be there. Maybe.

There is a lot of twisting things in this post, on topics this board has been discussing several times before, I assume you just read a few bits but decided to join the conversation anyway or you're just stirring the pot for shits and giggles?

I didn't ask him to lifestream 24/7, I don't think anyone else did. All I said was posting footage of yourself that doesn't display you blatantly cheating doesn't mean you're legit.

I don't think anyone claimed it's cheating, if you ask me it's pay2win.

I haven't anyone seen making that argument. It already couldn't hold up due to the fact that hardware manufacturers usually aren't in the FPS games business and even in those rare instances where they are (valve, counter strike, steam machine) people can buy similar or more powerful hardware from a different company.

However, it's hard to deny that someone with a high end machine pushing 400+ FPS has a advantage over someone who's struggling to hold a consistent 60 FPS.

Pivoting this into FPS context is odd cause that genre in particular has had examples of closet cheaters streaming, just ask Clara.



Nah, if your Val isn't getting knocked back you're tarnished.