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By Viciouss 2025-02-04 10:13:48
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
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Take your conspiracies back to Twitter and Reddit.
Still using this line despite all the conspiracies coming true lately, quite the play.

And I will continue to, especially since nothing he has posted has been remotely accurate. Once again, he is lying by omission.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-04 10:17:16
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>go back to where you came from

Damn!
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By Zehira 2025-02-04 10:30:39
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I am not saying it sucks but seems a good game to heal your mental health.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2495100

Look like the real WoW/FFXIV killer!
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By Drayco 2025-02-04 11:28:08
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Zehira said: »
I am not saying it sucks but seems a good game to heal your mental health.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2495100

Look like the real WoW/FFXIV killer!
Also, the Steam reviews do not dissapoint.

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By Kaffy 2025-02-04 15:06:47
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444K Viewers KCD 2 on twitch atm, lots of big name streamers so inflated a bit, but I'd say that's a very strong debut.
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2025-02-04 16:00:37
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Kaffy said: »
444K Viewers
and a 44% stock drop! madness we cant have all these 4s running round like this.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-04 18:07:49
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https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/former-concord-director-of-marketing

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Pamela Piscitello, the Director of Marketing and Operations for Firewalk Studios and its Concord game has officially joined Halo Studios as a Senior Product Marketing Manager.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamela-piscitello/


Chat, is Halo cooked?
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By Viciouss 2025-02-04 18:19:55
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What was the last good Halo? Reach?
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By Kaffy 2025-02-12 15:34:00
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Playstation State of Play in 30min, probably some information about Elden Ring Nightreign among other things
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2025-02-12 15:46:26
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Kaffy said: »
Playstation State of Play in 30min, probably some information about Elden Ring Nightreign among other things
Iron Pineapple tried it & made a 33 min vid about it

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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-13 10:12:55
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What people have asked for:
Bloodborne Remastered
Days Gone sequel


What we are getting:
Days Gone Remastered
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-13 10:29:36
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Microsoft are the biggest clowns in gaming, I swear to god they are doing it on purpose to make all games developed in China or something. They cannot be this stupid.
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By Viciouss 2025-02-13 10:51:50
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Never really believed they would do a Bloodborne remaster tbh. If you want to play Bloodborne, just go play it on your PS5. It's still great.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2025-02-13 12:47:51
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Never really believed they would do a Bloodborne remaster tbh. If you want to play Bloodborne, just go play it on your PS5. It's still great.
Locked 30fps is pretty suboptimal & hurts the experience of this action RPG though. It's shame that 60fps BB is not accessible.

A dude made a 60fps patch, and Sony sent him a C&D just 2 weeks ago.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-13 13:03:12
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Some random Chinese studio making a better FF game than Square Enix can.

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By Zehira 2025-02-13 13:51:10
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Some random Chinese studio making a better FF game than Square Enix can.

Clearly, a FF15 clone.
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By Drayco 2025-02-13 14:03:16
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Honestly, I feel like 15 and 16 suffer from bad publicity. 15 has flaws, but the story was solid and well told. I'd say people are too hard on SE, but then they produce crap like FF7 Rebirth. FF7 Rebirth feels like a fantastic remake trapped inside a pointless cell phone game quality sidequest simulator.

Final Fantasy 16 on the other hand... it #3 in my opinion... and I know that's gonna ruffle some people, but I stand by it.
#1 - Final Fantasy 6
#2 - Final Fantasy 4 (this is more personal than objective)
#3 - Final Fantasy 16

Is 16 perfect, definitely not. The battle system needed more scaling to help it not feel so stale. You just start out too powerful and only get more powerful because you use the same moves.

But the characters, voice actors, story, pacing, world, villan, camera work are all absolutly incredible. If you truely look at 16 and compare it to say Final Fantasy 4, you will find so many similarities, but just in a 3D format. The castels, towns, and dungeons are laid out in a very 2D way but portrayed in 3D. I enjoyed 16 so much that I immediately played NG+ entirely through after unlocking it.
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By Afania 2025-02-14 03:31:10
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Some random Chinese studio making a better FF game than Square Enix can.


Wait what? You gave FF16 ***fist for being an "button mashing action game". Then another studio made a fancy button mashing action game you praise it as "better FF game"?

What does good FF game means in your eyes exactly? Because I absolutely see nothing "FF-like" in Lost Souls Aside trailer. The initial concept may be inspired by Noctis from FF15, but the end product feels totally different.

Lol@double standard
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By Afania 2025-02-14 03:40:45
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Drayco said: »
Honestly, I feel like 15 and 16 suffer from bad publicity. 15 has flaws, but the story was solid and well told. I'd say people are too hard on SE, but then they produce crap like FF7 Rebirth. FF7 Rebirth feels like a fantastic remake trapped inside a pointless cell phone game quality sidequest simulator.

Final Fantasy 16 on the other hand... it #3 in my opinion... and I know that's gonna ruffle some people, but I stand by it.
#1 - Final Fantasy 6
#2 - Final Fantasy 4 (this is more personal than objective)
#3 - Final Fantasy 16


Don't worry, every FF suffers from bad publicity because everyone has their preferred FF, so they will attack different FF.

My personal top 3 are:

#1 FF 11
#2 Stranger of Paradise
#3 FF 5

If stranger of paradise doesn't count then FF12 got No.3 spot for me.

I'm pretty sure my top 3 pick is pretty rare in the FF community.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-14 03:50:24
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Wait what? You gave FF16 ***fist for being an "button mashing action game". Then another studio made a fancy button mashing action game you praise it as "better FF game"?

What does good FF game means in your eyes exactly? Because I absolutely see nothing "FF-like" in Lost Souls Aside trailer. The initial concept may be inspired by Noctis from FF15, but the end product feels totally different.

Lol@double standard

Final Fantasy has a set place in the minds of fans, a new game does not. So yes there is a double standard, and that's just the way it is.

FF16 for instance wasn't a really bad game, but it was a bad FF game that alienated huge numbers of the fanbase. Bringing out a game in a franchise has benefits of selling on brand alone, but also that people have expectations of it and be mad if you don't meet them.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-14 03:52:40
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LolAvowed isn't just a bad and lame game, it's also completely broken.

You just know they have a diverse range of people working on the code, you will experience the diverse STRENGH of save corruptions, soft locks and hours of lost progress.

Imagine launching the game when they know it's utterly broken like this.
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By Afania 2025-02-14 05:59:14
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Wait what? You gave FF16 ***fist for being an "button mashing action game". Then another studio made a fancy button mashing action game you praise it as "better FF game"?

What does good FF game means in your eyes exactly? Because I absolutely see nothing "FF-like" in Lost Souls Aside trailer. The initial concept may be inspired by Noctis from FF15, but the end product feels totally different.

Lol@double standard

Final Fantasy has a set place in the minds of fans, a new game does not. So yes there is a double standard, and that's just the way it is.

Then you should have say "Some random Chinese studio making a better action game than Square Enix can." And that's IF that game is really better, which you don't know until it's out anyways.

Saying a new button mashing action game IP that doesn't have any FF element a "better FF game" is weird as hell. You are basically admitting fancy button smashing action game is what real FF should be like, which contradicts your previous statement about FF16.

According to your previous statement Lost Souls Aside has a chance to be a better action game than FF, that's it. It has no chance to become a better FF game than real FF if your standard on a good FF game is "button mashing action game = bad FF".

Logics, yes plz.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2025-02-14 06:08:45
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I wanted Avowed to be good so badly but it was pretty obvious from the early footage it wasn't gonna be great, maybe just OK. They had an established world, lore, and a good concept with the potentially more engaging, not-dead feeling first person fantasy combat, something a lot of games try but fail to really capture. The problem is the footage just looked like it lacked any real depth, it reminded me of a flashier version of an indie title that did the same thing years ago but just kinda wore out it's welcome (I'm drawing a blank on it atm).

Ggg called this out in his video on it, but the gold standard of this type of game is Dark Messiah IMO. The combat is interesting with different things you can do and approach it, with some similar ideas. All the classes are useful and interesting, melee wasn't boring and dead feeling. There is a lot of variety and depth with the way you use the environment around you with spells. It souneds like Avowed tried, but flubbed all of this. He mentioned Bioshock also with how mobs would react to different elemental effects, his comment was something to the effect of "It's just a reminder of how creative and innovative games used to be". It's a good example for the original point of this thread.

It seems like they just kindof did the bare minimum and came close, but missed the mark. It had all the right things going for it to be good, but best I can tell it misses the part of the formula that would've made it actually great.
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By Afania 2025-02-14 06:19:33
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What's so bad about Avowed? I looked at the review it's currently sitting at 80 metacritic, which seems fine?

It reminds me Fallout New Vegas from years ago all over again. When FNV was released years ago it received pretty low review score for bugs. Years later it's often considered one of the best Fallout game in the series by old-school fans once those are fixed.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-14 06:29:24
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Afania said: »
RadialArcana said: »
Afania said: »
Wait what? You gave FF16 ***fist for being an "button mashing action game". Then another studio made a fancy button mashing action game you praise it as "better FF game"?

What does good FF game means in your eyes exactly? Because I absolutely see nothing "FF-like" in Lost Souls Aside trailer. The initial concept may be inspired by Noctis from FF15, but the end product feels totally different.

Lol@double standard

Final Fantasy has a set place in the minds of fans, a new game does not. So yes there is a double standard, and that's just the way it is.

Then you should have say "Some random Chinese studio making a better action game than Square Enix can." And that's IF that game is really better, which you don't know until it's out anyways.

Saying a new button mashing action game IP that doesn't have any FF element a "better FF game" is weird as hell. You are basically admitting fancy button smashing action game is what real FF should be like, which contradicts your previous statement about FF16.

According to your previous statement Lost Souls Aside has a chance to be a better action game than FF, that's it. It has no chance to become a better FF game than real FF if your standard on a good FF game is "button mashing action game = bad FF".

Logics, yes plz.

Square Enix put vast amounts of effort and skill to build a very strong fanbase for FF, now they are unable to meet the demands of that fanbase well. They are in effect, in a position to have that fanbase they built and that is very profitable to them (mainly due to merch and the like) usurped out from under them by someone else.

I don't know if this game will do it, but it could because it has the vibe and graphic appeal of FF. If they can nail the story and other aspects then they are going to create a franchise they can improve upon. While Square Enix keep floundering.

The biggest failure of Square Enix that I can see (and this also heavily impacts ff14) is that they made the stupid mistake of putting creative team leads into positions on the board of directors.

This is giving someone two opposing jobs, the creative team lead is supposed to grab as much money as possible for the game to make it as amazing and massive as they can, in order to make the fans happy and get a successful game. Someone on the board of directors main job is to make share holders happy, they do this by making as small and cheap a game as possible to maximize profits.

This is exactly what they have done to Yoshida, his is utterly fixated with costs and making the cheapest game possible and maximizing profit margins (he brings it up in nearly every interview). You can see this with ff14 (and 11 to a lesser extent) too, they are giving less, selling more and putting out worse expansions that pander to investors more than they should.

They have utterly ruined him as a creative lead, possibly the same is happening to others create talents now too.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-14 06:33:35
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What's so bad about Avowed? I looked at the review it's currently sitting at 80 metacritic, which seems fine?

It reminds me Fallout New Vegas from years ago all over again. When FNV was released years ago it received pretty low review score for bugs. Years later it's often considered one of the best Fallout game in the series by old-school fans once those are fixed.

They turned off the steam discussion pages, they have given interviews joking it's "buggy". People who have obtained early review copies and are saying it's mediocre and the game is literally broken, to the point it's crashing and corrupting saves.

Reviews scores are mostly irrelevant, the industry is utterly captured by ideologues who will give a game 9/10 if it has trans representation or if there are lots of women working on it.

Having said that, IGN gave it a 7 and if you know how IGN work that's like a 3 to anyone else. They refuse to give an AAA game lower than 7. Even if they hate it cause there are boobs in it, or it's utterly broken and near indefensible for a $70 product.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2025-02-14 06:37:29
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I honestly don't pay much attention to Metacritic scores. I feel like a lot of the gaming industry has boiled the frog into mediocrity and this is a good example, DD2 having an 86 is another good example.

I'm not saying it's an objectively bad game, it's just that it seems meh to me and forgettable. Some of the UI and NPC interactions make the game look really dated. The quest design I gather is mostly a bunch of small, repetitive quests that aren't impactful. Some of the dialogue options are lol (https://youtu.be/6VGD1qJ9a1k?t=595), the voice acting at time seems really weird and out of place, and the aesthetics of some of the NPCs just looks bizarre (although I'd admit this has more to do with in universe lore in some ways). You can't really explore or engage with the world the way you can in other first person RPG titles. I gather the story is kinda meh also.

The real disappointment for me is the combat, which does at first glance appear engaging, but when you peel back the layers of it - it looks like it's just hold button until dead with a few flashy effects and numbers around it. If you've ever played a game like Dark Messiah, it's a stark contrast to how engaging combat like this could be where you can kick mobs off walls, into spikes, force them to slip, and a number of other things. I also gather melee focus if you don't wanna play a mage is completely dull, so you are basically forced into being a magic user.

I think it's less that there's something wrong with the game and more asking what is right about it. They had all the pieces but put them together in a way that just seems uninspired and empty. You could compare it to titles in this category like Dark Messiah, Skyrim, Fallout, even some FPS games that pull in some fantasy elements and it just lacks the creativity of the way those games implement the world, combat, or story. You could even compare it to KC:D2 in a lot of ways, which gets a lot of this right although having some issues, it's an engaging and interesting game to play with good writing, VA, direction, and engaging/varied combat.
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By Afania 2025-02-14 06:48:27
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I don't know if this game will do it, but it could because it has the vibe and graphic appeal of FF.


It does? I am a pretty die hard FF fan and Lost Souls Aside has absolutely nothing FF like in my eyes. The art design direction of the world and characters looks cheaper and not well thought out compare with mainline FF or even other Chinese console titles like Wukong or Phantom Blade Zero.

If you want a good example of high level artistic direction from China, Google Phantom Blade Zero. Lost Souls Aside just looks much cheaper and less consistent compare with that.

There are also other elements that I find it important in FF: jobs, Crystals, summoning monsters, chocobos etc. Lost Souls Aside has nothing that's close. If you want to see good examples of FF-like IP, Google Crystal Project, bravely default, Lost Odyssey or Fantasian. Those are IPs that built for FF fans.

Even FF15 has a dragoon character in the trailer, Lost Souls Aside has none.

So what's so FF about it? I don't feel the FF-ness at all. Not the budget, nor the FF element. Just a guy that flies everywhere in unreal asset store quality world. That's FF for you? Lol.
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By SimonSes 2025-02-14 07:28:31
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So what's so FF about it? I don't feel the FF-ness at all. Not the budget, nor the FF element. Just a guy that flies everywhere in unreal asset store quality world. That's FF for you? Lol.

I think similar hair style is all people need to say it looks like FF XD
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By Afania 2025-02-14 07:36:30
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SimonSes said: »
Afania said: »
So what's so FF about it? I don't feel the FF-ness at all. Not the budget, nor the FF element. Just a guy that flies everywhere in unreal asset store quality world. That's FF for you? Lol.

I think similar hair style is all people need to say it looks like FF XD


Noctis is like one protagonist in FF, and not even the most popular one >.> And now he represents FF omg ...
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