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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-25 17:44:31
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Helldivers probably would have won GOTY if it released Oct/Nov 2024 and the award would have been handed out before the dev's ruined their own game with "balance patches" and what not. Unfortunately for them, they released in Feb, and thats the way the cookie crumbles.

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Fan expectations are irrelevant.
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But I noticed you ran away from your boogeyman claims.
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By Afania 2025-01-25 22:02:50
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Helldivers II started good then the devs *** it up so badly that the players staged in game protests to let the bugs win. Definite GOTY.

Dragons Dogma II fell short of many expectations, leaving many of the die-hards very disappointed. Another definite GOTY.

You covered Tekken and fighting games wrt GOTY.


Weird how your reaction isn't "but those games didn't have 9 digits budget, I win!!!!" Or "Tekken 8's budget came from content updates post launch, it doesn't count!" Did Helldiver 2, Dragons dogma 2 and Tekken 8 feel more like a "game" than Zenless zone zero and Wuthering Waves to you? You aren't even using the same standard to judge those games.

Let's face it, GoTY isn't objectively the "best game" of the year despite the name is. It rewards innovation and breakthrough accomplishments, which is great as an industry award. but it doesn't always reward people's favorite game, so it doesn't always represent the best game in each players mind.

It doesn't nominate some really popular games like NBA 2k, Fifa, CoD, or anything that sells well but only popular within Chinese playerbase like anime style gacha. It also doesn't nominate countless successful Chinese indie games that's mostly played by Chinese only. Wukong only won nomination because it's a console game with western market in mind.

It didn't nominate Monopoly Go! in 2023, despite it made 3 billion revenue in an year and broke industry record in terms of revenue generation.

If you want to fight DEI, using GoTY as some kind of objective standard to attack all other games will just weaken your stance. Because you'll just anger countless other fans who like their games but didn't win nomination.

You'll have much better chance at winning DEI war by saying DEI movement isn't socially fair for white heterosexual male. That would at least win more sympathy from outsiders. Attacking games other people like will make you more enemies.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-25 22:56:46
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Weird how your reaction isn't "but those games didn't have 9 digits budget, I win!!!!" Or "Tekken 8's budget came from content updates post launch, it doesn't count!" Did Helldiver 2, Dragons dogma 2 and Tekken 8 feel more like a "game" than Zenless zone zero and Wuthering Waves to you? You aren't even using the same standard to judge those games.
What are you blabbing about here??

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Let's face it, GoTY isn't objectively the "best game" of the year despite the name is. It rewards innovation and breakthrough accomplishments, which is great as an industry award. but it doesn't always reward people's favorite game, so it doesn't always represent the best game in each players mind.
Yes, this is how Balatro wound up with a nomination, but the game looks like a SNES game.
It Takes Two also won for innovation.
But innovation and breakthrough accomplishments can only go so far.

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It doesn't nominate some really popular games like NBA 2k, Fifa, CoD, or anything that sells well but only popular within Chinese playerbase like anime style gacha. It also doesn't nominate countless successful Chinese indie games that's mostly played by Chinese only. Wukong only won nomination because it's a console game with western market in mind.
CoD won in 2004, but every CoD since has been the same more or less. People actually shitting on CoD6 because of the stupid ***they're adding.
Maybe you should try playing Wukong, its actually a good game with pretty graphics and a fun story.

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Monopoly Go!
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By Afania 2025-01-26 01:44:18
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Maybe you should try playing Wukong, its actually a good game with pretty graphics and a fun story.


My desire to play Wukong is pretty low tbh. There are entirely way too many same kind of game in the market, and from the review Wukong's combat doesn't particularly stand out in action game genre. The kind combat system that I usually like is the one with tons of builds complexity. I think PoE2 probably fits in the criteria more than Wukong.

The story is also based on Journey of the west. Usually any theme that based on Journey of the west, Romance of three kingdoms, or Wuxia automatically gets minus points from me. Way too many entertainment media use the same theme and it's getting old. I prefer 80s style sci-fi, cyberpunk as a theme a bit more.

Also the theme that I prefer to see in a story is generally going to be banned in China. I prefer man v.s modern society kind of theme with political critism in story, something like 1984 by George Orwell or Disco Elysium. And there is no way that mainland Chinese are allowed to write this kind of story, it's a taboo in the mainland.

So I highly doubt mainland Chinese Dev can ever create my dream game ever. Not unless they move to a different region and accept different kind of value from mainland education.
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By Kaffy 2025-01-27 19:14:24
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Civ7 in two weeks, any predictions for this one?
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By Zehira 2025-01-27 19:20:26
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I don't know. Civ5 is my top most played game on steam. And seriously, I read that they chose Harriet Tubman as a leader for the Americans... what’s up with that?
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By Viciouss 2025-01-27 19:29:49
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I don't know. Civ5 is my top most played game on steam. And seriously, I read that they chose Harriet Tubman as a leader for the Americans... what’s up with that?

What's the problem? She fought in the Civil War. I think they made her a General after she died, but that was in like 1915 or something.
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By Kaffy 2025-01-27 19:35:16
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Could think of many worse choices, but c'mon now



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When the Civil War began, Tubman worked for the Union Army, first as a cook and nurse, and then as an armed scout and spy. For her guidance of the raid at Combahee Ferry, which liberated more than 700 enslaved people, she is widely credited as the first woman to lead an armed military operation in the United States.
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By Zehira 2025-01-27 19:38:58
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Zehira said: »
I don't know. Civ5 is my top most played game on steam. And seriously, I read that they chose Harriet Tubman as a leader for the Americans... what’s up with that?

What's the problem? She fought in the Civil War. I think they made her a General after she died, but that was in like 1915 or something.

Fair enough, There's a second leader for the Americans is Benjamin Franklin which is, I guess, more acceptable for racist white folks. lol
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By RadialArcana 2025-01-28 04:47:12
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It is blatant and hilariously cringe pandering by completely out of touch developers, which i find funny personally.
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By Viciouss 2025-01-30 15:29:48
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Significant changes coming to Civ 7

Interesting article for people that actually play these games. Trolls will disappointed there is no mention of Harriet Tubman. Seems like the devs saw how so many people weren't actually finishing their Civ 6 playthroughs and have decided to change the structure of the game to further entice people to land on the Moon. As a casual Civ 6 player, I was one of those people that rarely finished. Playing as three different civs is definitely a game changer.

There is going to be a lot of talk about this game, the first Civ in a decade, it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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By Zehira 2025-01-30 15:47:59
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Trolls will disappointed there is no mention of Harriet Tubman.

I fought against my own people to gain freedom, and now that I’m leading, I want everyone in the world to know what really went down. As ex-slave leader, I am directing my own people to challenge the world, taking what I want and declaring war on anyone I choose.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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By Fenrir.Niflheim 2025-01-30 16:09:58
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the first Civ in a decade
stop that! you are making people feel old, damn a decade where is the time going
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-01-31 17:55:43
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https://www.vg247.com/looks-like-dragon-age-the-veilguard-main-credited-writing-team-no-longer-at-bioware
https://80.lv/articles/confirmed-dragon-age-the-veilguard-s-writers-producers-laid-off-as-part-of-bioware-s-restructuring/
https://www.cbr.com/bioware-fires-dragon-age-the-veilguard-writers/

For anyone who thinks BioWare / EA considered Veilguard a success (aka Viciouss and possibly Afania), all the writers and producers got fired. No mention of the dev's and artists. Considering those two roles are responsible for making the writers and producers vision a reality, the execs at BioWare / EA put the failure squarely on the shoulders of those responsible. How do you decide whos responsible? Good question:

If people dont want to play your game because its ugly, its shitty and/or its buggy, thats an issue that falls on the devs and artists.

If people dont want to play your game because "its for a modern audience" or its not challenging enough: thats an issue that falls on the writers and producers.
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By Afania 2025-02-01 13:07:56
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For anyone who thinks BioWare / EA considered Veilguard a success (aka Viciouss and possibly Afania),


I didn't. I estimated DAV to sell between 1m-3m within the first year based on data from the past, that's all. I didn't say that number will be a "success" because I am not EA nor I know their sales goal until they announced it themselves.

Idk why you like to assume that I like to take sides so much tbh.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-01 13:14:04
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I said possibly.
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By Afania 2025-02-01 13:17:21
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No mention of the dev's and artists. Considering those two roles are responsible for making the writers and producers vision a reality, the execs at BioWare / EA put the failure squarely on the shoulders of those responsible. How do you decide whos responsible? Good question:


What do you mean?

It is generally creative lead/game narrative designers who made the decision that characters are trans. Artists design the the look, not the backstory of each characters.

Developer or programmer generally make decisions on structure of the "code system" but they are not responsible for creative decisions. This game is known to have very few bugs and runs well, game programmers of this project pretty much did a perfect job.

DAV is being criticized to have poor writing, as an IP that is expected to have good writing. so of course it's game narrative designer's fault that the game lost points on the story part.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-01 13:41:53
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Did you read what I wrote or just cherry pick a few words and fill in the blanks?

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It is generally creative lead/game narrative designers who made the decision that characters are trans. Artists design the the look, not the backstory of each characters.
Narrative designers = part of the writing and producing team

The writing team tells the artists what they want the characters to be. The artists then sketch out designs based on those details, and the writing team gives feedback and expected changes. The artists then implement those changes on the sketch, which is either approved or needs further alteration. Then the artists put those sketches in Maya, Photoshop, Unreal, whatever and bring that sketch to e-life.

This is what I said above, just in a lot more words.

The devs and artists make the writing team and producers vision a reality.


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Developer or programmer generally make decisions on structure of the "code system" but they are not responsible for creative decisions. This game is known to have very few bugs and runs well, game programmers of this project pretty much did a perfect job.
Yes, thank you for repeating what I said: The writers and producers got fired, the dev's and artists were not. The artists and dev's built a stunning video game with very few bugs. They werent fired because BioWare/EA wanted to keep their talent and skillsets for their next project.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-01 15:59:04
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The writing team were utterly incompetent, it's no surprise they were fired (not even cause they were woke, just terrible at their jobs). I have a feeling the new Mas Effect game will be a dumpster fire too, and the entire studio is due to be taken behind the shed.
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By Dodik 2025-02-01 16:36:24
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Bioware had already been taken behind the shed when they hooked up with EA.

Now they're just full of crabs.
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By Afania 2025-02-02 00:34:24
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I have a feeling the new Mas Effect game will be a dumpster fire too, and the entire studio is due to be taken behind the shed.


Most of the OG Mass effect trilogy members like Casey Hudson, Drew Karpyshyn, Mac Walters left Bioware some time ago.

Trick Weekes worked on OG Mass effect too, and they were fired this time.

It looks like, whoever left to create the next Mass Effect, it won't be the same team as the OG.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-04 09:10:07
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By Kaffy 2025-02-04 09:20:54
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more misdirection from radial, who knew

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While speculating about possible connections between the new drop, the old drop, and the arrival of the KCD sequel may be entertaining, the most likely explanation appears to be the simplest one – the separation of Embracer into three distinct entities, announced in April 2024.

Also, KCD 1 is 8 bucks on PS store right now.
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By Viciouss 2025-02-04 09:24:35
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Is it that hard to post the article, instead of just a worthless screenshot?

Another dud from RA

Meanwhile, Kingdom Come II is getting excellent reviews. Not a game I will ever play. Don't like European Middle Ages at all. Overrated and unremarkable time period in history.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-04 09:39:14
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The 3 way split was announced ages ago.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/embracer-group-split-up-begins-as-asmodee-gets-independence-date/ar-AA1xVPTp

This massive nosedive happened literally hours before KCD2 launch.

oof
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By Viciouss 2025-02-04 09:40:15
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Is it that hard to post the article, instead of just a worthless screenshot?

Another dud from RA

Meanwhile, Kingdom Come II is getting excellent reviews.

No reason to post anything else, the article does all the work.
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By RadialArcana 2025-02-04 09:42:18
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Blackrock losing money, oh no! much protec!
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By Viciouss 2025-02-04 09:46:18
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Take your conspiracies back to Twitter and Reddit.
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By Kaffy 2025-02-04 10:02:06
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Surprised no mention of this one since he likes to stir the pot so much.

https://80.lv/articles/discord-gets-sued-over-alleged-anti-consumer-practices/
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-02-04 10:09:29
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Take your conspiracies back to Twitter and Reddit.
Still using this line despite all the conspiracies coming true lately, quite the play.
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