New Games Suck... Or Is It Just Me?

No you don't. This is why you have never made any points, because this isn't true at all.


This also isn't even remotely true. Besides, you can't prove that anything you have ever said about any topic is true "in the vast majority of cases." That would require valid sources, which Twitter is not.

Except if you said venomous snakes are dangerous, I wouldn't say I have one on my lap right now. Venomous snakes are too dangerous to me that I wouldn't want to risk my life with it.

Common sense.


Except if you say smoking is bad for health, I would 100% agree with you. Every scientific data shows that smoking reduces average lifespan that there are no point to defend for smoking.

Again, common sense.

Your argument was neither "smoking is bad" nor "venomous snakes are dangerous" kind of common sense, your argument was "woman aren't making banger Indie games", which is objectively, absolutely false. You'd know if you even care about indie game industry slightly.

That's why I'd debunk it. It's just a matter of common sense in this case.

Balataro got nominated for GOTY over multiple games with a nine digit long budget. What did all those games that failed to get a GOTY nomination have in common? They were all made by companies that heavily prioritize and incentivize DEI based initatives.

I rest my case.

Not much of a case, you can't assume the reason a game didn't get nominated for GOTY was because of DEI. Indie games do well and get recognition for innovation and uniqueness not hiring practices.

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Do you even know how many games released in 2024 that didn't get GOTY nomination?

Over 17k.

Some of the the very successful Chinese(your favorite anti-woke Dreamland) indie game like The Hungry Lamb got absolutely nothing from GOTY nomination, not even in the indie category, despite over 40k 96% positive reviews.

(Meanwhile, games like UFO 50 was nominated in the indie category with only 5k and 95% positive reviews)

Your argument is weak, goty isn't anywhere close to being the only indicator for "good game" let alone "DEI-less games". The fact that you accused The Hungry Lamb and countless other successful Chinese indie dev for prioritizing DEI in the above post is lol.

2024:
Astro Bot - winner
Balatro
Black Myth: Wukong
Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
Metaphor: ReFantazio.

2023: Alan Wake 2
Baldurs Gate 3 - WINNER
Marvel's Spider-Man 2
Resident Evil 4 Remake
Super Mario Bros. Wonder
The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

2022:
A Plague Tale: Requiem
Elden Ring - WINNER
God of War Ragnarok
Horizon Forbidden West
Stray
Xenoblade Chronicles 3

2021:
Deathloop
It Takes Two - WINNER
Metroid Dread
Psychonauts 2
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
Resident Evil Village

2020:
Animal Crossing: New Horizons
DOOM Eternal
Final Fantasy VII Remake
Ghost of Tsushima - winner
Hades
The Last of Us Part II

2019:
Death Stranding
Fortnite
"Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice-winner
Apex Legends
Super Smash Bros.


How many low budget / indie games showed up from this pool of 36 GOTY nominees? I can go further back if you think i stopped at 2019 for a reason.

Indie game has their own category. Goty may nominate one indie game for goty category but most of them will compete with other indies in best indie category.

Not sure what point that you are trying to make here anyways. I thought your point was "if it's not nominated, then it's because of DEI?" Which is a silly claim to make. You are literally accusing every non-western game studios for DEI with the above statement. This is one fine example of viewing everything through a western lens.

If BioWare/EA and Ubisoft are more concerned about pushing initiatives instead of making the best game and wining awards for making the best game, then they deserve to be in the position theyre in.

Also 2018 had an indie game in the final 6 (Celeste), didnt win.

Ok, if you don't like Bioware/EA, go fight them. Why are you accusing the rest of the non-western developers as DEI just because many non-western dev didn't win western award nomination? Are you sure you want to create more enemies than you already have? Lol.

I do fight them
With my wallet
I identify as non-buynary

Im not “accusing the rest of the non-western developers as DEI”, whatever this means.

This was exactly what you said.


You said if a game fail to get GOTY nomination, then they all prioritize DEI. So every game made in South Korea, China, India or Indonesia that didn't win GOTY nomination are ALL DEI according to your statement.

You used the term "ALL" in the above statement, that's where the problem is. Your statement is ridiculous because you included every game released in 2024.

You cant cherry pick certain words to suit your narrative and completely change what Im saying.


There are a handful of games any given year that have a budget exceeding one hundred million dollars, and its never indie games (except if theyre subsidized by libcuck governments like Dustborn was, and even that was nowhere near 9 digits)

Genshin Impact? Honkai star rail? FF16? Many people said GI is 100m in budget and they never win one damn western GOTY nomination.

So your statement still hit other non-western studios, even if you include the budget in your statement.

It's forced due to quota's. It really boils down to statics and that different population demographics tend towards wanting different things. STEM fields are male heavy, we're talking an order of magnitude, if not more, males want to be involved then females. You have ten available positions to hire for, 100 male applications and 5 female applications. Out of those 100 male applications only 10~20 are going to make the short list (10-20%) and not all are going to be hired. That same performance ratio would have a single female applicant who may or may not be hired.

HR's DEI department would explode if some manager did that. Instead all five of those female applicants are going on the short list and at least two if not three are going to be hired, regardless of performance. The remaining seven to eight positions will be filled from the 10~15 male candidates. This math ends up with someone hiring the top 40~60% of the female and the top 7~8% of male candidates out of the talent pool. Done over an entire industry results in one of two problems, either you get a lopsided team with just a handful of quality people doing all the work while the rest are DEI hires barely contributing. Or you end up deliberately overstaffing your team and using the extra positions as "DEI slots" to keep HR off your back. The first method ends up with mediocre or crap products due to talent limitations, the second has very expensive products due to the talent overhead.

Any sort of hiring "benefit" conferred based on an intrinsic element necessitates depriving someone else of that "benefit" who doesn't possess those intrinsic elements.

Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. University of North Carolina and Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President & Fellows of Harvard College
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf

That is why the US Supreme Court ruled that affirmative action in Universities is unlawful.

Genshin impact gacha F2p game released 2020, no official DLC like Shadow of Erdtree.

Honkai star rail Another F2P game, might be gacha as well, released 2023

But go on about how its not winning awards beyond the year of their release date. Additionally, you are taking the “budget” term way out of context. Upkeep of a five year old game obviously costs money, but creation of new content costs a shitton more than having a hand full of staff to run patches.

Gaming industry really isn't STEM though. Artists positions drastically increased as gaming went HD. And more PM roles are required as team size increase.

In my local art/animation/design school male:female ratio is frequently 30:70 or even 20:80 because males usually prefers STEM and took all the STEM spots. So the rest of the female who studied art will ended up in the entertainment industry after they graduate, since the industry still has better pay than other art jobs.

In the end you'll just get an art department with many female. At least this is the case in my region.

You said "games", not "single player games".

Genshin Impact is still a game. So your statement included all games naturally because you never separate F2P from single player to begin with.


Afaik Honkai star rail had over 700 dev before launch. This is easily AAA budget.

How the *** is a game release in 2020 gonna win any awards in 2024????

Tabarnak t’es con.

People were pissed about Erdtree being a nominee because it was DLC, even though said DLC was almost a whole new game worth of content.

Senran Kagura is "enough proof" that developers have faced several challenges of the implementation of stricter content policies by Sony since 2017. Like Nynja said, they will vote with their wallets. Developers should keep quiet about how censorship affects their gameplay or character designs during the development process but Sony made them to. If buyers see it, they change their mind.

Japanese either get their games on their PCs or Switch consoles.

I never cared about GOTY awards. Humble Bundle has hooked me up with plenty of games.

Does year matter though?

Even if it release in 2024 it's not gonna be nominated lol. We all know that. GoTY doesn't nominate gacha, even though it's still "games".

The bottom line is GoTY isn't some kind of universal standard on what a good "game" is. That was my main point.

Genshin Impact had a 100 mil budget on release

It is also a gacha game and is clearly making that money back X-fold from the whales. Its not AC:Shadows relying on a one-time purchase

Yes it matter lmao what kind of stupid statement is this. Game of the year is the best game released that year. Otherwise the previous winner should be present to defend their title as GOTY.

Also:
PUBG was nominated in 2017 and is Gacha.


I win, again.

Some more info regarding that DEI programs have almost always been unlawful. Traditionally such things have always been incredibly hard to prove in the past but with everyone rushing to actually write discriminatory policies, cases are going to be won.

https://www.connkavanaugh.com/blog-authors/kathleen-r-otoole/supreme-court-decision-may-impact-your-companys-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-initiatives/#:~:text=Assessing%20the%20Impact%20of%20SFFA%20on%20Private%20Employers&text=Gender-conscious%20or%20race-conscious,the%20Equal%20Employment%20Opportunity%20Commission.

The ABA is advising employers revise any hiring programs to not grant a positive benefit based on race or gender.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/labor_law/publications/labor_employment_law_news/issue-summer-2023/impact-of-scorus-affirnative-action-ruling-on-ers/


The SFFA ruling was just two years ago and it takes a lot longer for stuff like that to ripple outwards.

The EEOC has already weighed in, basically saying that discrimination is unlawful, has always been unlawful and will continue to be unlawful, regardless of who is being discriminated against.

https://www.eeoc.gov/future-dei-disparate-impact-and-eo-11246-after-students-fair-admissions-v-harvardunc




DEI programs that require managers hire more women or more "people with X protected trait" have always been unlawful. Universities were previously given more wiggle room, and somehow people in HR thought that wiggle room applied to them also, it didn't. The SFFA ruling took those considerations away from the Universities and sent a shockwave through every HR department in the USA. Now everyone and I mean everyone is reviewing their hiring policies and DEI programs to ensure there is no "benefit" being conferred based on gender, sex, etc. Lots of companies are just terminating their entire DEI department, the legal liability is just too much. Not to mention Robby Starbuck has every PR department scared shitless.

This is subjective though.

Also are you sure Zenless zone zero(another Mihoyo game in 2024) didn't break 100m after recent update?

*taps the sign*

Doesn't seem like a strong case. Helldivers II didn't get nominated despite deserving it over at least 3 nominees. Dragon's Dogma 2 didn't get nominated despite deserving it over at least one. Tekken 8...there usually isn't a lot of love for fighting games at awards shows, but it probably deserved recognition. Haven't heard people complain about your boogeyman when it comes to those companies.

Helldivers II started good then the devs *** it up so badly that the players staged in game protests to let the bugs win. Definite GOTY.

Dragons Dogma II fell short of many expectations, leaving many of the die-hards very disappointed. Another definite GOTY.

You covered Tekken and fighting games wrt GOTY.

These aren't players choice awards where nothing but the Chinese waifu games are nominated. Fan expectations are irrelevant. Helldivers to this day plays great. Dragons Dogma 2 is a solid game. But I noticed you ran away from your boogeyman claims.