Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion

I mean, both sides of the fields always sounds like a high horse conversation. Especially the more it is discussed.

They are not making a moral equivalence. But they should know that there are a handful of people who will even go as far as to use quotes (""), even though the website allows us to actually quote what was posted.

Some people in my group use gearswap but refuse to use fastcs and anchor. They feel like that's not for them. They don't make any moral equivalence or think that they are better than the other players in the group. They even laugh at the hypocrisy of it. Because some people in our group dont use anchor, and one doesn't even use gearswap, it adds a little bit of stress to some of these fights. But, except for speed-hack, I use everything. When I share a video I even share the GM mark on top of my name.

It's pretty clear to anyone who didn't grow up to become a hateful shrew that they (Velner's group) aren't making moral equivalence there. Some people use anchor, some people will WS while disengaged, some people will play full vanilla. But as long as they didn't explicitly make the moral equivalence, attaching that to them is borderline dishonest.

However, it's no surprise to anyone that the people doing it are usually the same suspects. They see a video or a strat and they immediately try to diminish it. They immediately make it about themselves. The intention of video, as stated by the creator, was not show how awesome they are but to help the community. They didn't even post a super polished 7-min one-time-wonder Aminon kill.

I have watched the video countless times because we have recently moved to aminon hardmode. Thanks Velner and Positron for sharing it. It's been super helpful to many groups in Asura.

We did the fight a few times with only engaging to WS but after lag didn't disengage us a few time it became really stressful. That said some people in group still engage every run but I won't judge doesn't engage. I wish the fight wasn't poorly designed then maybe it wouldn't feel needed.

This is the kind of thing that makes me push back though. People say the Lamia ambu is "poorly designed" or that because of "lag" or animation lock, they "have to use JA0 or React" and SE forced them to do it.

Sorry guys, but SE isn't forcing you to do anything and there are perfectly reasonable ways to do all of this stuff without using programs to bypass the game's mechanics. If you choose to use programs to change the way the game works to make it easier for you, that's on you, not on SE.

See also:
I wish the devs didn't allow enemies to headshot in this game, so I wouldn't feel the need to use Gameshark to make myself immune to them.
I wish the devs didn't put poison in this game, so I wouldn't feel the need to use Gameshark to remove it.
I wish the devs didn't put pits in this game, so I wouldn't feel the need to use Gameshark to remove them.
I wish the devs didn't put exhaustion in this game, so I wouldn't feel the need to use Gameshark to remove it.
I wish the devs didn't require aiming in this game, so I wouldn't feel the need to use an aimbot.

I meant K123 not me, I believe you!!!


How do you know what race I am? o.0

I think the videos being presented are incredibly helpful. If your group is attempting or would like to attempt HM Aminon, my guess is that the level of "cheating" in the videos is squarely on the acceptable side of the line. The fact is, even within a group you'll have different levels of comfort. Some players don't even us gearswap (shock and horror!) while others are comfortable with tako and/or anchor.

So here's group presenting a way to position and do the fight that can done by pretty much anybody. The buffs are shown, the weaponskills are shown, the damage is shown. I look at the fight and see how the initial pull goes, how the flow of the fight is. How much damage my role should be contributing to the fight and where we might be deficient.

Rather than spend a page or two nitpicking that one or two players might not be 100% vanilla, take it for the helpful resource it is. So yes, if you see a player just pull out their weapon from nowhere, it was definitely just lag. Must be those PS2 limitations.

I get your point but the lamia ambu battle is a bad example.
Quick timings don't go well with a network structure that pings like twice a second. For some players delays of 2-3 seconds are the default with frequent lag spikes that easily exceed 5+ seconds.

If it's a different experience for you congratulations, just be aware it's not like that for everybody.

Btw I don't use react, I just skip months with reaction based gimmicks.

I'm just saying aminon's core design didn't seem intended to be done like how we do it. From their hints it was all about procing enough times to keep the seal. If the game didn't lose packets constantly in sortie we wouldn't have issues using a normal engage > ws > disengage macro.

One attack round is not instant death. You can hit it everytime its not a big deal. But it means you have to wait and slow down.

The problem is efficiency, not ability. (It is ***design, your argument is just lazy)

The macro "needs" redundant disengage lines to be sure it disengages. (which as stated is broken, it should work everytime, always) The problem most of you have is youre *** around not paying attention and/or too busy boxing to notice you failed to disengage.

If you use windower, you are a cheater, like anybody else. Clintbeastwood has already solved this, scientifically, here.

Yeah, just like V25 Bumba's intended mechanics revolved around consistently proccing him. And we all know how well that panned out.

Oh no, I need to fix the picture!

Edit: Added your submission @Godfry

Dressup?

Nvm checked page 2 of that thread

Uh, I don't use anchor. I lock Dashing Subligar and Philidor Mantle. And I do still get knocked back randomly but it's rare.
Lol, again, we do this live on Twitch almost every night.

Like Posi said, though, I don't begrudge anybody that does whatever they feel comfortable with. But don't cast aspersions on *everybody*

The original macro I used in the video did fail to disengage somewhat regularly. I cautioned that it's best to have your cursor over 'Disengage' just in case.

However, once I changed the final line to
/attack off
it almost never fails. I can't remember the last time it failed to work.

I think there are 3 pieces of knockback equipment, not sure if you don't need all 3 of them to negate knockback completely.

According to some people if a AoE knockback attack hits someone who isn't wearing the equipment you get knocked back regardless of how much knockback equipment you're wearing.

Windower addons may get people banned if they're stupid enough to talk about it in game.

/l I fought Lilith and I got knocked around why isnt my anchor working??

But people like that deserve to get banned.


Also calling Tako a "QoL addon" is ridiculous. You should feel bad for calling it such.

Our tank uses subligar and cape, seems to work pretty well.

//sb report (when their default chatmote is s)
"someone help me with my gearswap"
"my ffxidb map is too small how do I fix it"
accidentally typing .//cancel sneak and it winds up in say
"use Distance addon to make sure youre 20' away so youre not in aoe range"
typoing pouches usage

literally anything


Just dont say sus things in game on FFXI server logs. It probably wont amount to anything if you do, but if the wrong person sees and reports it, you might get that LM-17 over it.

Completely untrue

'Base addons' doesn't mean anything. If SE hired a team to review and approve or deny player created addons, some of these 'base addons' wouldn't make the cut. That's exactly the reason why they have zero tolerance policy. That and our community struggles with discerning a difference between cheating and quality of life.

Obviously sortie was added after 2014. The statement is still true.

The context is very clearly Aminon, 2014 mobs have no relevance here

Definitely not the case. I don't wear any knockback reduction gear against Aminon and I get knocked back every time he does the ground smash move. Velner does wear the gear and only gets knocked back 1-2 times in a typical fight.

The knockback gear doesn't negate it completely. Its supposed to lower the amount of distance traveled per piece. BGwiki is saying -2 yalms per piece.

If your saying he doesn't get knocked back at all sometimes, that sounds more like a dodge/miss/meva check or whatever it is to me.

From my experience, knockback reduction gear is inconsistent at best and broken at worst.

I remember doing my own little testing on geo a long while back, if i had a ball out that got hit with knockback, my knockback gear didn't act normally. Grain of salt though, its been a while.

Martel's testing clearly shows that minor knockbacks can be completely nullified by knockback reduction gear, but the initial knockback values themselves are somewhat randomized and the effect varies by move.

I can imagine saving as much time as you do running around with tako sure would be QoL improvement, but it definitely is cheating, too.