Coronavirus Death Toll Estimation USA

Well, we all know you want to live in a fascist dictatorship. Don't try to create one here.

Sometimes in the course of extraordinary circumstance, extraordinary measures are required.

You can't be trusted to "do the right thing" without consequences.

Isn't that how Hitler got into power? Because "extraordinary circumstances required extraordinary measures"?

That brown shirt doesn't suit you, btw.

Ah yes, the familiar crying about the protests, not even Abbott is trying to play that card. He is on the record in saying he regrets opening the bars and other indoor dining locales. The bars were out of control, packed houses every night. The first step to curtail them was a joke, revoking the liquor license of 12 bars that weren't following the rules. Realizing that wasn't even close to enough, Abbot closed them all down, and reduced indoor dining to 50% capacity. He never should have gone over that number, pushing on to Phase 3, when we were adding 1k cases per day, was Abbott's biggest mistake. And now Texas is facing another lockdown. He opened too early, and too fast. He was determined to fully reopen as fast as possible, had he gone slower, Texas would be in a better position than it is now.

It's just fact. Don't start with that ***.

Left to your own devices, we're all gonna die. Some measure of "oppression" or whatever buzzword you want to slap on it "but muh freedoms" is necessary.

Be that:
Wear a mask, or be fined/imprisoned.
Literally welded in your damn house with a box of rice and beans.
Or straight up executed for non compliance.

Something has to be done. "wait and see" ain't gonna work.

Good, prove it.

You don't know that at all.

A majority of new cases come from new testing. Those numbers would exist irregardless of how fast the state opened.

You are just reaching to place blame on a governor you don't like.

This is literally what you do to Cuomo.

Don't espouse fascist ideology and we won't compare your ideas with Hitler's. It's that simple.

Give all of our power to the government, and we will still die. We will die no matter what.

But, giving all power to the government will ensue a horrible lifestyle. It is a sure bet that you would be in a worse position than you are today.

Doing something just to do something can cause more harm than good. As the Berkeley study showed, the lock-down devastated the country as a whole. It may have stemmed a few deaths, but it overall hurt everyone, not only for today, but in the future too.

We would do better by shooting ourselves in the foot than do another lockdown.

His policies are shown to cause thousands of deaths.

But not Abbot.

We don't have the benefit of alternate realities.

You don't know if it caused more or saved more. You're just projecting hate.

Policy is just words on paper. Failure to use policy in good faith isn't the policy's fault.

Wait, are you serious? Are you seriously defending Cuomo's executive order that put COVID-19 patients in with elderly and enabled those unaffected to become sick?

Or are you just arguing for argument's sake?

So, you are a defender of blind faith, got it.

If a soldier massacres a town during a war because the officer in charge ordered the massacre, is it the soldier's fault for not stopping it?

But then again, you are an avid believer that all government is good, because they said so, so I shouldn't be surprised by your statement....

If you read the last page. I already did this.
This is rich. Hi-larious.

I did, I just wanted to confirm that you are ok with killing old people to suit your needs.....wait, didn't we have this argument in a different thread before?

Do you even read the things you type. That is clearly *** wrong. Good look after your ban lift brah.

Then clarify.

Are you or are you not defending Cuomo's executive order in placing COVID-19 patients in nursing homes?

Just answer that truthfully.

I literally just did. Look up.

So, the answer is yes, you are defending Cuomo's executive order.

And you are denying the fact that his order has killed thousands of elderly patients.

Got it.

I mean, your lack of empathy isn't surprising, given your previous posts about various subjects.

But you shouldn't deny facts...

You're purposely conflating it. That works on morons. Even hideka got it without twisting it.

Look, I understand that you don't like nursing homes. You don't like the concept because you only see one thing, the homes making money.

Never mind that there are nursing homes that run on charities, nursing homes that are county and/or city funded, and nursing homes that are part of the hospital systems. But all you think is that they are there for the sole existence of making money. We can go over your adverse ideology about production and wealth in a different topic, so I'll leave that as that.

You may have a point about nursing homes not being the best place for elderly people in situations like this, but in many cases, those patients are there due to illness and need care that the immediately family cannot provide, either by lack of wealth or lack of ability.

So, what is your solution in those cases? And don't say volcano....

(Force) People to be responsible. (Force) Them to stop being greedy. (Force) Them to treat elders as humans instead of burdens and paychecks.

When all of that inevitably fails, because "muh freedoms" then you get to go "in the volcano". You get lots of chances to "do the right thing" and refuse to.

How? Concentration Camps? "Reeducation" Camps?

Only you see people like burdens and paychecks. Nobody else does.

You are projecting your own insecurities against capitalism because of your own perceived notions.

You enjoy a lot of those "muh freedoms." Should you go into the volcano then?

Your entire post is a testament to your own psyche. It also explains a lot about your absolute hatred towards the successful...

Nursing homes literally only exist because we treat our elderly as burdens.

Why do "we" do that? Because society makes it impossible to care for your own elderly.

hes not necessary twisting it. hes trying to bring you to the understanding that the two cant be seperated - that cuomo, and a bunch of other governors made a choice to do this, despite just about everyone in the medical community screaming at the top of their lungs not to do it due to the nature of the virus.

on the problem of nursing homes- they become necessary features for social welfare. id opt for families being obligated to taking care of their parents in their old age, but you also cant force them to. my personal familial practice is that i want my grandmother and mother ultimately living with me instead of a nursing home when the time comes - but i can recognize that its not an option for everyone.

for the people that its not an option for - they need an alternative. they cant just magically start taking care of themselves, and their problems dont magically just poof into thin air.

i ultimately believe that nursing homes are a necessary evil for a successful society. that being said i also believe that we should all strive to keep our families out of them at all costs. i view them similar to a mental institution - they need to be there for the times that the family cant or wont take care of the problem.

you have to consider that not all old people were good people. the meek shall inherit the earth is more than just a biblical context. the meek survive longer than the rest of us. the cruel and wicked ones cling to their life for as long as they can. you couldnt force a child who was abused by or estranged from their parents to carefor or provide for them. its just nonsensical. like for example if you told me i had to take care of my father in his twilight years? i'd literally, not figuratively, find the nearest pillow and kill him in his sleep, if it wasnt for the fact that he's already dead, rather than be subjected to the torture of caring for my abuser.

so TL/DR: i hate nursing homes, and i want as many people as possible in multigenerational families if thats what they want. i agree that Nursing homes need to be better than they are, but i also cant deny the merits to society that they currently provide.

I'm sorry, but do we live in the same country?

No one trusted nursing homes to do anything right. They are regulated by state laws and regulations. There are, as far as I know, no meaningful federal regulations or standards except for the VA.

Lobbying has weakened state regulations and keeps federal regulation at bay.

Also, you misconstrue what constitutes a nursing home. This is understandable. There is a different definition and set of regulations for each state. I would bet that a lot of nursing homes throughout the sunbelt would not pass muster in CA. And then there are extended care facilities, which are NOT nursing homes but lumped together with them in these reports.

No KN, that's your Lt Governor. "there are more important things than living."

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick says Dr. Anthony Fauci “doesn’t know what he’s talking about”

Fauci and other top medical leaders have flagged Texas as a COVID-19 hot spot, but Patrick said the infectious disease doctor has “been wrong every time on every issue.”
Texas Tribune

The whole encompassing conversation was NY and the executive order. Not every nursing facility, every where.

"Nursing Home" is a "Catch all" You just have to concede the point that they're essentially indistinguishable for this purpose.

Old people are in "buildings", why are they dying there? Who's fault is it.

They want to say Cuomo literally "death paneled" all the old folks.

And, like you, the Texas Tribune misquoted the context of the quote.

He was merely pointing out that Dr. Fauci's accuracy rate is worse than a level 75 DRK using a scythe.