Siren Is Coming.

People are not going to learn to play it outside of AF AC spam because they have that crutch readily available. Most players that rely on those JA's to clear any content have impressively poor understanding of battle mechanics and it shows when they are on any other job so they are not going to getgud.

The JA's need to be adjusted. AF should increase the potency of their wards while those awful AoE spells should be made available by default and AC should function like Grand Pas.

vanilla smn beat my cor in dyna. i usualy win by a mile. and we use it on everything with out smn burning anything and its extremly good. sup dgg.

Its a shame too because my Whm Alt is better at healing a party/alliance than a good 95% of the real Whms.

I didn't that Eiryl would bring me such joy with his salt, but this is a gift. Please, keep going. I can smell the ocean air from here.

It's just fact brozilla. I have nirvana(s).

And you should get that looked at, smelling things that aren't there is a sign of alzheimers

That's because your bot is programmed to instantly register when something is wrong. With humans, there is an information delay due to how our brains work. It's why when a car in front of you slams on its brakes you take 1-2 seconds to react. Whereas a bot would respond instantly.

Speaking facts isnt going to take your aeonics away... you "earned" them.. no worries.. but lets not act like there isn't a reason scrubs lvl it.

I personally wonder what avatar's favor she will have. Maybe haste?

Magical or JA Haste would be neat.

As far as summoner in general, I wish it weren't such a one-trick pony. They pretty much just bring it out for AFAC. I used to love playing it but the way we use the job in FFXI now bores me to tears.

I've been thinking about that too. Haste would be worthless I think, since Garuda already has Haste II. Regain would be nice, though possibly way too overpowered. Accuracy and Attack are also two options that haven't been used yet. Using the guide of elements, Ranged Accuracy and Ranged Crit Hit rate are both wind.

In terms of BPs, so long as she gets a single BP that is worth while, such as a good piercing BP or an AOE better than Shock Squall or even just a buff we don't have I'll be happy. I thought Cait Sith was useless when she first came out but the infinite RR she gives is very nice in addition to mewing.


There's no way they'd give us JA haste.

EDIT: Derp, I don't know why but I thought JA haste was job ability haste. That'd be broken. Normal haste... I doubt it.

Basically this. I use SMN for a lot of things most people don't think about. I'm very useful in most events as well. You just have to know the job and know what it can and can't accomplish. For example, I feel like a lot of people these days don't know how to Carby kite.

From BG this is the moves she has in the RoV fight.

Hysteric Assault 1P Single Physical Damage Fivefold attack. Also drains HP proportional to the damage dealt.

Lunatic Voice AoE Conal Magical Damage Element: Wind Conal target Mute.

Sonic Buffet AoE Conal Magical Damage Element: Wind Damage and Dispels 2-3 enhancements.

Entice 1P Conal Magical Damage Element: Light Charm. Soul Voice active.

Clarsach Call 25'-30'+ AoE Magical Damage Element: Wind High damage Additional Effect:Attack, Defense, Evasion, Magic Attack, Magic Accuracy, Magic Evasion, Magic Defense Bonuses applied to the Siren.

Dunno if / how any of these will transfer over to SMN. Don't think charm makes any sense, and clarsach call sounds busted, maybe will be the AF ability. Hysteric assault could be another rush or another volt strike, all depends what mods it has. As far as I know all summonable avatars share their BPs with the prime versions (maybe there are exceptions for some of the newer fights or some BPs).

Yep! Hell, people use Atomos on things and I thought Atomos was useless. Turns out the job has plenty of uses outside of 30 seconds.

How would that be worthless? With 14%+ haste favor (assuming it would be magical) and Hastega II, SMN would be able to cap magical haste for whole party on it's own. That would be awesome.

Using Cait Sith as an example...


Divine Favor got turned into the AF Arise ability. Mewing lowers TP, not reset. Not sure how much the Amnesia and Silence were weakened but that's still the same. Level ? Holy also seems the same, though 2k damage to a player is much different than to a mob. On top of that we got Regal Gash, Raise II, and Reraise II.


If it stacks. I'm not sure it would stack though.

You're right, there's only one reason: Because you enjoy it.

If you're using it and don't enjoy it, you're an idiot.


I'm sorry that you hate SMN so much and yet felt obligated to make a Nirvana anyway just because you're too "special" to play "properly," as you say. (Your words, not mine.) That doesn't mean everyone else who made a Nirvana did it for the same reason as you.

Ofc it would stack. Hastega II is haste spell icon. Avatar's favor is completely unique thing with it's own icon.

All assbackwards logic, no one likes smn. But they do like being lazy

Project much?

That's funny given that you're the one projecting, Eiryl. Though I'd expect nothing less from someone who uses a screenshot of capped gil as their avatar.

The only potential it has is tarage is gonna need a sock account