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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 12:00:59
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I love it when the media makes a big deal out of how easily the Democrats are going to win elections. The party that has the biggest problem with turnout is giving its voters one less reason to vote. Fantastic.

The Democrats would own this country if they weren't so busy shooting themselves in the feet.

lol, after 2018, you really think turnout is gonna be an issue? That's cute. Wasn't it record turnout for the Dems? I seem to remember that being said.

Humans don't learn from their mistakes, if american they double down on them.
That would include you Americans in the country North of the US.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 12:03:32
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We couldn't wait to vote him down in 2018, then we did, and we can't wait for 2020.
You took one House of Congress back and lost seats in the other. oooooo big deal, great win!! SO HUGE!! When Republicans last had a Wave, they took two back from you commies.
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By Nausi 2019-06-18 12:16:27
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We couldn't wait to vote him down in 2018, then we did, and we can't wait for 2020.
You took one House of Congress back and lost seats in the other. oooooo big deal, great win!! SO HUGE!! When Republicans last had a Wave, they took two back from you commies.
Plus he had half the country thinking Trump had colluded with Russia, which did not happen.

Dems are finished, they’re drawing crowds of double digits while Trump is drawing over 100k.

Its going to be so fun watching our favorite tin foil hat conspiracy nut-job, get forcefully pulled from his bubble.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 12:18:29
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Its going to be so fun watching our favorite tin foil hat conspiracy nut-job, get forcefully pulled from his bubble.
But it doesn't happen, he stays there. Can't tell if just trolling for LULs or actually the new CJ.
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By Nausi 2019-06-18 12:25:34
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Its going to be so fun watching our favorite tin foil hat conspiracy nut-job, get forcefully pulled from his bubble.
But it doesn't happen, he stays there. Can't tell if just trolling for LULs or actually the new CJ.
He aint trolling for lulz. Lefties have a violent reaction to anything that doesn’t confirm their own bias because deep down they think things are true because of their belief in them.

Willing things by social construct.
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By Viciouss 2019-06-18 12:26:47
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We couldn't wait to vote him down in 2018, then we did, and we can't wait for 2020.
You took one House of Congress back and lost seats in the other. oooooo big deal, great win!! SO HUGE!! When Republicans last had a Wave, they took two back from you commies.

Yeah, and it was record turnout for a midterm. So you really think poor Dem turnout is something you can realistically hope for in '20? Like I said, that's stupid, nausi level reasoning. You are on the low ground on this one, by a lot. Find something else to run on.
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By Viciouss 2019-06-18 12:31:49
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Trump has promised to unveil his phantom healthcare plan in the next month, Dems can't wait for that while the GOP is running away already. They need not worry, he has no plan. Its just as mythical as his infrastructure week.
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By fonewear 2019-06-18 12:42:55
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Trump has promised to unveil his phantom healthcare plan in the next month, Dems can't wait for that while the GOP is running away already. They need not worry, he has no plan. Its just as mythical as his infrastructure week.

You do realize that technically having no plan is still having a plan.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 12:54:33
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Yeah, and it was record turnout for a midterm.
I'll take your word on that.

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So you really think poor Dem turnout is something you can realistically hope for in '20?
Actually NOT I. I think the left will pick some commie and it'll rile up the TRUE patriots not wanting to let us go Full Commie. I think your best shot would be Moderates like Howard Schultz or Old Biden. Not his age, but OLD Past Biden, that didn't pander to the extreme left.

Also that if someone more Commie than moderate, the Moderate Democrats, may not vote at all. That's my thought. So I think a lot of the success to beat Trump lies with who is nominated.

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You are on the low ground on this one, by a lot. Find something else to run on.
Think you have me confused with someone else. BUT feel free to read what I said above this. That is NOT too improbable. Just cause a HUGE amount of people don't like Trump, doesn't mean they want to hand it over to people offering to take their money away with Free ***to people that didn't earn it.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 12:55:51
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You do realize that technically having no plan is still having a plan.
I'd say its more of a "sit back and let them take each other out" plan. The Picture Chanti showed of the Democratic Nominees aiming cannons at each other is perfect.

Well, that would be my plan should I be in the President's seat now.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-06-18 12:59:03
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Maybe one these days when I'm not feeling lazy I'll try and pinpoint the day that Vic became a living caricature. Maybe he was always this way, but he had people like CJ around to make him look sane by comparison.

I imagine him as an old man having a Citizen Kane moment where his last word is "Nau...si..." and everyone else is standing around trying to figure out what the heck he was talking about.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 13:05:10
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I'd say its more of a "sit back and let them take each other out" plan. The Picture Chanti showed of the Democratic Nominees aiming cannons at each other is perfect.

The last time something similar happened, the person who was the less likely to win the nomination ended up winning the presidency ... so which dem is the craziest among those currently running, I'll bet 50$ now and make a ton of cash!
You are not wrong bud. But don't forget that was Hilary's election to lose, and she did.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 13:06:14
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Maybe one these days when I'm not feeling lazy I'll try and pinpoint the day that Vic became a living caricature. Maybe he was always this way, but he had people like CJ around to make him look sane by comparison.

I imagine him as an old man having a Citizen Kane moment where his last word is "Nau...si..." and everyone else is standing around trying to figure out what the heck he was talking about.
GAWD DAMN Rav, that was beautiful. XD
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By Viciouss 2019-06-18 13:07:18
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Maybe one these days when I'm not feeling lazy I'll try and pinpoint the day that Vic became a living caricature. Maybe he was always this way, but he had people like CJ around to make him look sane by comparison.

I imagine him as an old man having a Citizen Kane moment where his last word is "Nau...si..." and everyone else is standing around trying to figure out what the heck he was talking about.

Awwwwwwwwww this is soooooo cute. Means nothing.

I should point out Skull, that your right that you haven't taken the idiotic position that Rav here and of course, poor nausi, has that Dems have a turnout problem in '20. I don't even bother wondering what they are basing that fantasy on, I'm using the last election to blow it out of the water, and they still haven't provided any evidence to the contrary. Dem turnout is not a viable plan for Trumpettes.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 13:13:31
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Dem turnout is not a viable plan for Trumpettes.
It's not. But when your opponent is shooting themselves in the foot, are you gonna try to stop them and risk having them shoot through your hand to stop it? And at this point, would they even listen? They'd shoot themselves in the foot cuz "TRUMP IS BAD!" I mean, look at lady stabbing herself because he is president. '_'

It can be a sit back and wait time, till you can focus attacks on one person.
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By Viciouss 2019-06-18 13:22:52
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Dem turnout is not a viable plan for Trumpettes.
It's not. But when your opponent is shooting themselves in the foot, are you gonna try to stop them and risk having them shoot through your hand to stop it? And at this point, would they even listen? They'd shoot themselves in the foot cuz "TRUMP IS BAD!" I mean, look at lady stabbing herself because he is president. '_'

It can be a sit back and wait time, till you can focus attacks on one person.

What are you personally seeing that causes you to think the Dems are "shooting themselves in the foot?" I see them running Biden out there to be the frontman and take all the attacks on while everyone else lays low and builds up their platform. That seems to be working better than even I thought it would, considering Trump's internal polling, as well as the most recent Fox News poll, has Biden leading Trump by double digits. I don't think Biden is gonna be the nominee, and yet he is ahead of Trump by 10 points. Other contenders also have a lead on Trump without garnering near as much attention. So right now, whats the problem for the Dems?
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By fonewear 2019-06-18 13:51:06
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Trump set alone on a bench in the park...my skin is orange he casually remarked:

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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 14:17:20
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Dem turnout is not a viable plan for Trumpettes.
It's not. But when your opponent is shooting themselves in the foot, are you gonna try to stop them and risk having them shoot through your hand to stop it? And at this point, would they even listen? They'd shoot themselves in the foot cuz "TRUMP IS BAD!" I mean, look at lady stabbing herself because he is president. '_'

It can be a sit back and wait time, till you can focus attacks on one person.

What are you personally seeing that causes you to think the Dems are "shooting themselves in the foot?" I see them running Biden out there to be the frontman and take all the attacks on while everyone else lays low and builds up their platform. That seems to be working better than even I thought it would, considering Trump's internal polling, as well as the most recent Fox News poll, has Biden leading Trump by double digits. I don't think Biden is gonna be the nominee, and yet he is ahead of Trump by 10 points. Other contenders also have a lead on Trump without garnering near as much attention. So right now, whats the problem for the Dems?
Two things, the left going full blown left, with Reparations, Free College, Free Healthcare, Free Abortions, and Free Food.

Biden WAS a good choice to beat Trump when he's a moderate. When he panders to the far left, he becomes the very thing he swore to destroy. (Sorry, I could not resist a bit of Obi-wan quotes)

Moderates stand a better chance at beating Trump, not the crazy left fringe Bernies. But getting a Moderate out of the primaries is going to be rough due to the high energy from the party comes from those far left.

Also, that Polling vs data, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't most polls show "Hilary winning vs Trump" in the Election prior to it happening? (Had to keep that PG)

I get that Polls are good ways to test the wind/waters, whatever, but look at how that turned out last time. Look at WHO gets polled.

Hey, my fellow far left haters, y'all get any calls from Polls getting your opinions????
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By Viciouss 2019-06-18 14:30:31
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You said two things but only named 1?

Also, the polls are great right now because they infuriate Trump and he can't stop lying about them. I mean, he attacked Fox News because he disagreed with them. He fired his own pollsters because he didn't agree with the results. He claims he is leading in all 17 swing states, which is laughable, but doesn't provide any evidence. Nausi is doing the same thing, makes stuff up about the polls because he doesn't agree with them. So that alone is enough to keep bringing up the polls, just to watch his tantrums.
 
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 15:25:25
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You said two things but only named 1?
The second was Also, about the polls. Which you went on about. Shure, they make Trump mad and that gets you off like no other, but still, 2016 Polls were the 2016 Polls.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 15:26:15
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Nausi is doing the same thing

Well, you'll have to accept the fact there is now 12 millions illegal voters.
Gonna go with 37,264,155!
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2019-06-18 15:27:34
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Moderates stand a better chance at beating Trump, not the crazy left fringe Bernies.

Moderates are boring, crazy left fringe bernies are way more entertaining. 50$ on Bernie it is!
You're not wrong buddy. As entertaining as it is, people actually vote for these loonbags into office. Next thing you know, they want MORE pay for their jobs they were elected into.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2019-06-18 15:28:18
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Vic, a major shift in the political spectrum for a party is no small thing. The Dems win presidencies with young moderates. The closest thing you have to that in your frontrunners is Buttigieg, who's only a moderate because everyone is trying to pretend he's one. The Left is shooting itself in both feet by trying to have one foot in the progressive socialist camp and another in the moderate capitalist. They are incompatible, but post-primary you're going to see the candidate doing backbends trying to appeal to both. It's going to alienate the crap out of voters.
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By Viciouss 2019-06-18 15:37:53
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You said two things but only named 1?
The second was Also, about the polls. Which you went on about. Shure, they make Trump mad and that gets you off like no other, but still, 2016 Polls were the 2016 Polls.

I doubt you can count on the FBI to hand Trump the election again.
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By Viciouss 2019-06-18 15:48:11
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Vic, a major shift in the political spectrum for a party is no small thing. The Dems win presidencies with young moderates. The closest thing you have to that in your frontrunners is Buttigieg, who's only a moderate because everyone is trying to pretend he's one. The Left is shooting itself in both feet by trying to have one foot in the progressive socialist camp and another in the moderate capitalist. They are incompatible, but post-primary you're going to see the candidate doing backbends trying to appeal to both. It's going to alienate the crap out of voters.

There you go again, fantasizing about low turnout. All the nominee has to do is get out there and say "Im not that idiot in the WH" and be completely fine. Anybody but Trump is a winning platform. It worked in 2018, which saw record turnout with Nancy Pelosi leading the party. And she has already racked up a few wins in showdowns with that idiot in the WH, with one more budget fight looming.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2019-06-18 15:50:06
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I should point out Skull, that your right that you haven't taken the idiotic position that Rav here and of course, poor nausi, has that Dems have a turnout problem in '20. I don't even bother wondering what they are basing that fantasy on....
I am watching all my lefty facebook friends tearing Biden down. This kind of thing can easily depress turnout if old Joe actually wins the nomination.
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