The A.M.A.N. Trove BC

Dagon is one that should be retaining its value due to it still being used for subtle blow sets. I’m not sure it is, but it should be

Is "Thud" on Terminal Coffer guaranteed on Venus Orb? Or was that theory debunked?
I never kept track in the past, and honestly I rarely ever get Venus Orb, but out of those 41 Orbs I did yesterday (which does not mean 41 opened terminal coffers of course, I got the Mimic a lot of times) I managed to open Venus once and the chest was a "Thud".
All other Terminal Coffers (Mars) have been "Noise" for me.

I'm pretty confident I've got a few "Loud Thud" terminal coffers in the past but before that patch when they changed it you couldn't see the quality of the Terminal Coffer so of course I couldn't keep track of it.

Is there any evidence we only have one mimic in a single trove?

It's very niche, but also very unique so I guess you're right.
It's actually the third Dagon I'm seeing since AMAN trove release.
One I kept (and I'm currently not using but in theory I have it in a SB set for SAM iir)
One I gave to a friend.
And one dropped yesterday on my mule, so... it's there. Shame I couldn't sell it, or even give it away for free, but what can you do about it, eh?

On my 93 Venus orbs run, the terminal coffer was always either a Thud or a Loud Thud, so I think Venus Orb just guaranteed the TC to be at least a thud.

I have enough vouchers to runs about 70 Mar Orbs this month, gonna run them to see if that really is the only difference.

I also just started to collect numbers to quantify more accurately the odds for a loud thud on terminal chest.

Spoiler: its quite low.

Another trick question: can exist a loud thud if no belligerant sound?

Last run, after no belligerant sound in the 4th chest i decided to open the terminal one

Yup, number 52, no BB message after 3rd box, 4th box is loud thud

I did about a dozen orbs right after update, and I ever only do Mars, and I did get multiple loud thuds from terminal coffer. In one run I got loud from chest, then other loud from terminal coffer, even.


No, and it can't be had. However, we have seen multiple 9/10 runs. I don't believe anybody ever goes to open that 10th tho, I certainly do.


Yes, definitely, I have gotten many. Again, I only ever do Mars Orbs.

Can post some screenshots if needed.

Oh for sure! I wasn't implying it's not possible, just that it never happened to me specifically, post AMAN Trove update.


Also I can confirm everybody who said Loud Thud without Belligerent Bang. I got many myself, altough I think most (all?) of mine came from Rainbow chests.
We can't say for certain unless SE tells us, but my idea is that the chest "changes" when it becomes Rainbow.
As such we can see two different scenarios:
A) That chest was a Noise or a Thud before
B) That chest was a Loud Thud already before

For scenario A) it's only right you weren't getting Belligerant Bang.
This sort of scenario doesn't answer Pantafernando's question though, because that chest *became* a Loud Thud but it wasn't such before.
So to better rephrase Panta's question let's define a more precise scenario:
1) We're past the third opened chest
2) We're not getting Belligerant Bang message
3) No Loud Thud in the Terminal Coffer
4) No Rainbow chests

Did anybody get a loud thud in such a situation? I don't remember if it ever happened to me honestly.

I was pretty close to have some relevant data.

I had opened the 7th chest with no sound.

One m9re chest and either one of them would turn rainbow or golden

Unfortunelly the 8th was a mimic.

On unrelated note, while not directly increasing the chances, this rainbow chest is a decent increase in the odds for success.

Just not sure about the hint the beligerant sound gives:

- You get a belligerant sound: incentive to go ahead as there is a big prize
- You dont get a belligerant sound: still keep going as there may be a chest.

So, this sound doesnt effectivelly bring relevant information for you to change your strategy

When you get to the 8th chest, the 9th turns gold/rainbow and leaves the mimic there. If there were two mimics, you'd never get to the 9th chest.




Excluding the mimic, rainbow/gold chests and the terminal chest; I still believe the other chests are undetermined until you interact with them.

Also, the BB message doesn't always start on the 3rd chest. I've seen it happen as late as the 5th chest opened.




Most people have the 'loud thud or bust' mentality these days. Your strategy is to keep opening chests until you get either a loud thud or the mimic. If you were going to keep opening chests anyway, you didn't really need the message to remind you.


It can give you the information you don't want however...


I entered Trove once and got the BB messages, but I wasn't able to find the LT in time. I opened the 8th chest and the 9th turned gold. If there were no message I would never have known that the 9th chest demoted my loud thud to just thud.

we have no way to know and no way to find out
just click boxes until one of them turns gay or a mimic kills you

If that were the case though you wouldn't get the rare rainbow/gold chest at start or the belligerent bangle message.

There is always only one mimic. All of the other outer chests have the ability to be upgraded to via the rainbow entry chest(s), belligerent bang(s), or the 9th chest event. The mimic is anchored so it only makes sense to predetermine it's place on the board since it can't change.

I'm in the boat that the mimic keeps shuffling around the board with server tick.

Server side of course.

Based off this theory I wonder if you could code a check and see it report back mimic or not.

But I would imagine if you send the check it would interpret it as open box.

I'm of the belief that nothing is defined throughout the whole encounter. The results we get from each chest are just based on probability based on what we've opened and what's left. So there's no such thing as multiple mimics.

Also the first belligerent bang can occur as late as after the 5th chest (maybe even later? never seen it later than that).

I’m telling you all: that mimic jumps like it’s Michael freaking Jordan. I don’t trust it!

That being said, I have noticed an overwhelming occurrence of either getting loud thud or thwacked on the 3rd chest. There has to be some sort of code for that.

To add a bit to the rainbow/LT conversation, I have a habit of opening the chests in a specific order, so my rainbow is always the last chest either in the top or bottom row on the left side. Considering the number of times this has happened, I think the odds that it already was one prior is probably low, and it got upgraded.

My own personal theory is that when i see more chests appearing to lower half of my order (like 2 or 3 in sequence), i do the reverse of my usual order (starting from my usual last).

The implicit premise of this is that mimic jumps only to neighboor chest between tries.

Facing southwest during windsday and fullmoon also improve the odds too

It’s crazy how many people would have believed this back in the day.

They still do.

It's almost as bad as dropping an item and getting nekkid to get loot, right?

That's nonsense.

It's facing North and Lightsday for less chance of mimic, Darksday for higher loot chance but higher chance of mimic.

FWIW, I open in the same order every time, and of the countless times I've gotten 8 open, it's always the same chest that turns rainbow/gold. Probably a couple dozen times now since rainbow stuff came around.

So basic consensus for more casual people who play 1 char with maybe a mule is to stick to Mars instead of Venus?