Random Politics & Religion #34

Oh and they likely did the same thing to Manafort. "We got you dead on for this financial chicanery you did, now admit to some anti-Trump stuff and we'll agree to only ask for limited time". Manafort just didn't want to play ball and only got nailed for the financial chicanery we all knew we would.

All within a couple of minutes of each other. Now Manafort has to wait for his next trial in September, while Cohen makes a deal for a reduced sentence while releasing some juicy testimony. It doesn't even matter if he doesn't "cooperate" anymore, those statements alone are damning. It will be fun to watch the spin, hell Saevel is already trying.

Just remember truth isn't truth.

Saying whats on the front page of CNN, without the emotional language, is "spin mode".

Party of tolerance for ya.

Always fun when saevel plays the victim card.

Hmm another bad day for libs :(

How's that Russian collusion thing coming along? Still stuck at the starting line?

Nope, the Mueller investigation is coming along great. Thanks for asking.

The starting line being the Trump Tower meetings? Notice plural.

This all has zero to do with any "collusion", that's not even a crime just a buzz word. It's the Dems trying to get a long shot campaign for the 2020 elections. Legally they have nothing and the chance at a President Trump impeachment is 0%, but the rules are different in the court of public opinion. Try to stain President Trump with guilt by association while simultaneously attacking any associates he has with the intent of intimidating anyone away from supporting him.

Politically it's their only chance at a 2020 win, their own party is dysfunctional after the beast of the Political Correct Thought Police got out of it's cage. When Antifa has become the symbol of the left, well President Trump doesn't need to run much of any campaign to beat that. Orange Buffoon vs anonymous men in black masks and boots who demand obedience.

Lol back to spin mode

What are you talking about Vic, you're trying to spin it other way.

Mueller strikes out at over half his case, the other half still has nothing to do woth Trump.

Coen copes to all the blame.

Libs still don’t have anything, but that doesnt stop them from “thinking” they do.

Reminder, Obama was fined almost 400k for campaign finance violations. One of the biggest violations ever for nearly 2 million dollars in illegal campaign contributions.

How many AH gems to change a username to INDIVIDUAL-1? Asking for a friend.

He fingered the president as a co-conspirator to a federal crime.

Unless you honestly think the unnamed candidate running for federal office isn’t his client.

Phrasing BOOM!

Not really, this gets deep into the weeds of technicalities and legal maneuvering but lets just say those "campaign violations" were thrown in as requirements and wouldn't pass legal muster anywhere, but the tax evasion and shady business stuff most certainly would. So agree to doing this other fuzzy stuff, even if it's a stretch and we'll not hammer you *** to the wall on the hard stuff.

If Zerowone pleads guilty to helping Chanti murder someone, is that proof that Chanti murdered someone? People's intuition is to say yes, after all if Zero says its true then it must be. Yet legally the guilt of Chanti needs to be determined separately and Zero's plea itself can't be used as evidence. Instead Zero must show up and actually testify on precisely what was said and done, then undergo cross examination where the defense lawyer would point out that there is an awfully strong motivator for Zero to lie called prison. Instead Zero would be asked to tell the investigators where Chanti hid the bodies, and those bodies would be used.

That is why plea deals aren't used to get testimony nearly as much as Hollywood would have people think. They are used to get an easy win and to provide incentive for someone to provide evidence in an investigation. Someone would do a plea deal *and* agree to cooperate and provide information that would lead to another person's prosecution but not actual testimony since any defense lawyer would just say Zero is lying to keep himself out of jail, and people lie all the time to avoid jail. If someone's willing to lie on tax returns and bank statements to avoid jail time, why wouldn't' they also lie in court to avoid that same jail.

So far the most we have is a Democrat lawyer claiming hush money paid to porn stars for secret affairs is a "campaign contribution". Turn on daytime television and realize that if anything this just boosts Presidents Trumps ratings.

‘It’s the only excuse they’ll need’: Legal blows fuel impeachment fears

The conviction of Trump’s former campaign chairman, guilty plea of his former personal lawyer and indictment of a leading congressional supporter raise Trump’s risks.
Politico


With Michael Cohen’s Guilty Plea, President Trump Has Been Implicated in a Criminal Conspiracy
The New Yorker

I can find lots of other articles about this.

But I readily admit that none of this, even Cohen's guilty plea, has anything to do with Russia.

Yes really. The GOP Congress already wants to talk to Cohen.

It isn’t illegal to pay hush money to anyone. Cohen has copped to a crime that he didn't commit as part of his plea deal. As in confess to this, implicate the president (we illegally spied on and wiretapped) and we’ll go easy on you. This is painfully obvious to everyone except libs.

Keep trying guys, Blumpf is done any day now.

Its all about the “seriousness of the charge” and nothing about the actual substance of it. Just another attempt to drag down his approval numbers.

No one cares. I got it immediately yesterday afternoon as headlines on a news app.

“Stock future are loook lower from cohen plea. The end is near.”

“Trump done for, (seriously this time). You’d better panic.”

His supporters are so sick of this swamp ***. And you all should be too.

He has willingly plead guilty to something he didn’t do so that he would get favorable treatment in the crimes he did commit.

Surely this isnt too complicated for you to understand?

Do you have any evidence that cohen is telling the truth when he’s explicitly contradicted his previous statements?

Nope of course not.

I mean they wiretapped his property, they put spies in his campaign. Why would the swamp’s abuse of power stop there?