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By Siren.Mosin 2016-06-01 10:01:14
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
So until LAST WEEK Trump sat on much of the donations and his own vaunted $1M pledge.

to be fair, I'm sure that responsibility was delegated out to a guy, and I know how awesome that can work sometimes. people are mad incompetent, yo.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-06-01 10:05:01
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"Latina for Trump" sounds like the girl wants to hook up with him.

Outside the fact that not one person in that photo looks old enough to experienced America in the previous century; it's weird because I just read that:

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WASHINGTON — Artemio Muniz is a proud Republican, but he is also the son of two Mexican immigrants — a duality that is prompting him to sit out the general presidential election this year.

Muniz, the chairman of the Texas Federation of Hispanic Republicans, is one of many Latino Republicans who say they cannot vote for their party’s presumptive nominee, Donald Trump.

Trump’s damage to GOP efforts to attract swing-state Latinos is well known. Muniz’s example shows a deeper phenomenon at work: The businessman is alienating Hispanics who already consider themselves Republicans, including elected officials and party leaders.

Most recently, Trump captured headlines last week by singling out New Mexico’s GOP governor, Susana Martinez, for punishing scorn during a visit to her state. Martinez, the party’s highest-profile Latina, has not endorsed the Republican presumptive nominee — a reluctance that was likely exacerbated by Trump’s attack on her governing abilities.

Sometimes, Trump’s rhetoric is hurtful to a swath of voters, Hispanic conservatives said in interviews. They are offended by the real estate mogul’s comments claiming Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals, by his pledge to build a Mexican border wall, and by his promise of mass deportations. They cannot stomach the idea of voting for Democrat Hillary Clinton, some said, so they will leave their presidential ballot blank.

“Donald Trump comes across as a villain in a telenovela,” Muniz said, referencing the Latin American soap opera genre. “He fits the stereotype to a T. They don’t need ominous music or a translator.”

By substantial margins, Trump is the most unpopular candidate among Hispanics, with more than three-quarters viewing him unfavorably in a Gallup poll released in March. Among Hispanic Republicans, Trump polled at 60 percent in unfavorability, worse than Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

“Those are historic numbers,” said Florida-based GOP consultant Alex Patton. “He should be very concerned, especially in a swing state like Florida with significant numbers of Latino voters.”

Many conservative Latinos support hard-line immigration reform but said they found Trump’s solutions quixotic at best. They said Trump would need to pivot on his more outlandish proposals, particularly his plan to deport every undocumented immigrant, as well as apologize for his nativist rhetoric, in order for them to back him.

Still, though the decision to desert Trump was necessary, they said, it wasn’t painless.

“I’m heartbroken,” Guillermo Arauz, a conservative Mexican immigrant, said. “It breaks my heart that a party that has been honorable and decent and has conservative beliefs has allowed what I would say is a circus master to be the de facto leader.”

Arauz, who lives in Chicago, came to the United States at the age of 2. He describes himself as a “very patriotic” Republican.

For Republicans, the stakes in their bid to win over Hispanics are high. The group continues to be the fastest-growing chunk of the electorate, gaining 17 percent in eligible voters since 2012, according to Pew Research Center. In 2004, Republican support among Latinos in general elections peaked when President George W. Bush corralled 44 percent of their vote but has since trended down, with the GOP scraping a dismal 27 percent for nominee Mitt Romney in 2012.

In response to that poor showing, Republican leaders worked to reach out to Hispanics. The national party released a 100-page report that stressed rebranding itself to minorities by reforming immigration policy, meeting with prominent minority organizations, and curtailing what Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus called “biologically stupid” remarks.

Then Trump came along.

“The entire autopsy on what we’re going to do to reach out to minority and women voters got ‘Trumped,’ ” Patton said. “I hope the GOP can put Humpty Dumpty back together again.’’

Among the Latino GOP leaders, support for their party’s assumed nominee is low, with several congressmen from Florida denouncing his candidacy. Across the country, records show that more Latinos are pursuing citizenship this year amid Trump’s anti-immigration propositions‚ and overall naturalizations are up 14 percent in 2015 compared with the previous year and 8 percent higher than 2012, the last election year.

Yet, many anti-Trump conservative Latinos said they will not vote for the likely Democratic nominee, either.

“Right now Latinos are thinking one candidate is insulting us and the other wants to use us politically,” said Alfonso Aguilar, executive director of Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles. “Latino voters are smarter. You have to do more to get the Latino vote than say, ‘I’m not Trump.’ ”

The Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference president, said the Latino Christian community feels “great angst on both sides.” The reverend, who identifies himself as an independent, said he is insulted by Trump but finds Clinton’s pro-abortion rights and “increased government” stances horrifying as well — a no-win position this election cycle.

“I can’t believe we’re living in this kind of world,” Rodriguez said of Trump’s upcoming GOP nomination. “I feel like I’m living in a parallel universe or a rift in space-time continuum. It’s surreal.”

Nonetheless, some Latinos know how unpredictable Trump can be and have not ruled out supporting him should he accomplish some soul-searching first.

Muniz mentioned that many Mexican-Americans used to admire Trump, harkening the businessman’s entrepreneurial, can-do spirit to the immigrant community’s own resolve to make a better life in America. Trump’s choice to start demonizing immigrants was seen as a betrayal, he said.

Right now, Muniz and other anti-Trump Latino Republicans said they are waiting for a sign that the candidate wants to repair his standing in their community.

It’s unclear whether such a gesture is coming from the unpredictable New Yorker. Trump has made headlines for his notorious taco bowl tweet on Cinco de Mayo earlier this month, in which he grinned beside a Mexican-inspired Trump Tower Grill dish and wrote, “I love Hispanics!” However, he also sent a video message to a national Latino Christian conference on May 20, promising to combat minority unemployment. He ended his message saying, “National, Hispanic, Christian. Three great words.”

More such bridges must be built, some say.

“He has to stop being an [expletive],” Patton said. “He would have to change his entire approach to Hispanics. I’m not sure he’s got that in him.”


That last part makes wonder if he is channeling Will Ferrell in the Campaign.

Source: Boston globe

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/05/31/latino-republicans-spurn-donald-trump-plan-leave-presidential-ballot-blank/Xn7b5TS0I5MKy0hRQ0VHEI/story.html
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-06-01 10:10:03
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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The part I find funny is how a presidential candidate weasel can't seem to take media scrutiny without acting liking a cornered animal.
Fixed.

P. S.


Ha! Dallas. :)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-01 10:18:39
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
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Hey guys, remember that time that Trump raised nearly 6 4 million dollars in charity for veterans? and claimed it was $6M? Let's try to gloss over the fact that, short of the goal or not, it's still a lot of money. How? By pointing out the new, shocking revelation that Trump is a self-promoting blowhard....

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... the Associated Press reached out to all 41 different groups the presumptive GOP nominee name-checked at the press conference and, of the 30 that responded, “about half said they had received checks from Trump just last week,” roughly four months after the fundraiser in question and weeks after reporters began pressing Trump to document the donations.

It gets worse: Several of those checks, including the personal one for $1 million that Trump cut himself, were dated May 24, 2016, aka the very same day that Trump faced pointed questions from the Washington Post about both the amount of money he raised at his January fundraiser and the amount that had made its way to veterans charities....
So until LAST WEEK Trump sat on much of the donations and his own vaunted $1M pledge.
And?

You do realize that many charities do hold off on all donations to charities until all known collections are held, right?

It wouldn't make sense to make multiple checks to all the charities at multiple times of the month. Sure, once a month is usually how they do it, but not every single day. Which is what you are alluding to.

Why are you outraged at Trump for doing what nearly all charities do anyway?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-01 10:32:09
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Why are you outraged at Trump for doing what nearly all charities do anyway?

Because we can turn it into something that looks bad, whether or not we have a clue how it actually works.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-06-01 10:40:03
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Trump University being viewed as a boiler room ponze scheme is really just a negative perspective cooked up by media, and not the recently released depositions of employees.
Much like how the judge, a Mexican born and raised in Indiana, is a just a Trump Hater due to being Hispanic.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2016-06-01 10:48:12
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Trump University being viewed as a boiler room ponze scheme is really just a negative perspective cooked up by media, and not the recently released depositions of employees.
Much like how the judge, a Mexican born and raised in Indiana, is a just a Trump Hater due to being Hispanic.

When you phrase it that way, it makes perfect sense.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-06-01 10:49:52
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Why are you outraged at Trump for doing what nearly all charities do anyway?
I am not outraged at Trump. On the contrary I find him entertaining, amusing, and thoroughly outrageous.

I was vastly entertained by his flapping his flukes like a beached whale over this incident.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-06-01 10:52:42
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I know right!

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Mr. Trump had fought Tuesday’s release of previously sealed documents in the case. In an apparent attempt to discredit the judge in the case, Gonzalo P. Curiel, Mr. Trump called him biased and a “hater of Donald Trump,” and he sought to draw attention to the judge’s ethnic background — “we believe Mexican,” Mr. Trump said. (Mr. Curiel was born in Indiana; he is of Mexican descent.)



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/us/politics/donald-trump-university.html?partner=msft_msn&_r=0

Obviously a class act people need to stop hating.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-01 10:58:39
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Trump University being viewed as a boiler room ponze scheme is really just a negative perspective cooked up by media, and not the recently released depositions of employees.
Much like how the judge, a Mexican born and raised in Indiana, is a just a Trump Hater due to being Hispanic.

Honestly I don't know why the media isn't making a bigger deal about Trump U. It's something that is difficult to explain away as anything other than a scam, and is WAY more relevant to Trump as a person than trying to condemn him for donating to charity just a touch too slowly.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-01 11:05:58
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Trump University being viewed as a boiler room ponze scheme is really just a negative perspective cooked up by media, and not the recently released depositions of employees.
Much like how the judge, a Mexican born and raised in Indiana, is a just a Trump Hater due to being Hispanic.

Honestly I don't know why the media isn't making a bigger deal about Trump U. It's something that is difficult to explain away as anything other than a scam, and is WAY more relevant to Trump as a person than trying to condemn him for donating to charity just a touch too slowly.

I briefly worked for a telemarketing service between real jobs at one point and the program they put me on was selling one of these tele-universities. University of Phoenix-type, but a competitor.

It was shady. as. ***.

I quit after a week and zero sales. Slimy *** program. Seriously. If you read about Trump U. depositions and about the sales tactics, it was exactly like that.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-01 11:07:26
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Why can't we attack real, actual events and scandals instead of something minor and/or pointless?

I mean, sure, Trump University is a scam, but it was obviously a scam from the get-go. Anyone who actually looked at the curriculum would have saw the scam from the onset.

It's like getting outraged over giving money to the person who's robbing you, instead of getting outraged at the thief himself.

Or herself if you want to get politically correct. Can't have gender bias here!
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-01 11:08:35
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For the record: they didn't fire me or ask me to change programs. They had a few newer people (including myself) who were college grads + their best salespeople. I think the best guy had 3 sales that week, a handful had 1. 1 sale was your daily goal and you bypassed standard tier 1 bonus and hit tier 2 with 1 sale.

It was brutal, but it also tells you how much they raked in off the people they were scamming, willing to pay above minimum wage plus bonuses to ~15 people for like seven sales in a week.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-01 11:09:28
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Ramyrez said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Trump University being viewed as a boiler room ponze scheme is really just a negative perspective cooked up by media, and not the recently released depositions of employees.
Much like how the judge, a Mexican born and raised in Indiana, is a just a Trump Hater due to being Hispanic.

Honestly I don't know why the media isn't making a bigger deal about Trump U. It's something that is difficult to explain away as anything other than a scam, and is WAY more relevant to Trump as a person than trying to condemn him for donating to charity just a touch too slowly.

I briefly worked for a telemarketing service between real jobs at one point and the program they put me on was selling one of these tele-universities. University of Phoenix-type, but a competitor.

It was shady. as. ***.

I quit after a week and zero sales. Slimy *** program. Seriously. If you read about Trump U. depositions and about the sales tactics, it was exactly like that.
Online universities are a scam anyway. Most of them aren't accredited, and those who are don't pull as much weight as brick-and-mortar universities do.

You are more than likely able to get a good to great paying position at a Fortune 500 company with a degree at A&M than you are at University of Phoenix online degree.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-06-01 11:10:13
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Honestly I don't know why the media isn't making a bigger deal about Trump U. It's something that is difficult to explain away as anything other than a scam, and is WAY more relevant to Trump as a person than trying to condemn him for donating to charity just a touch too slowly.

I agree, I am way more interested to see where this is going. The same judge that Trump trashed actually agreed to delay the trial, ie a ruling in Trump's favor, until November 28th. He is probably going to have to testify again, he has already given depositions that really don't work in his favor regarding the case. He scammed people, he took their money, and were he not running for Prez this would probably end in a large cash settlement but now who knows. He doesn't want it to go to trial thats for sure.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-06-01 11:12:29
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
He scammed people, he took their money,
Personally?

Remember, your answer will reflect any criticisms made on Clinton Foundation. If you say he personally scammed people with Trump U., then you also say that Clinton herself took personal money from foreign donors from the Clinton Foundation, which is also highly illegal.

So, which is it?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-01 11:13:41
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I wonder how much money the clintons have raised to veterans.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-06-01 11:14:55
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
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Honestly I don't know why the media isn't making a bigger deal about Trump U. It's something that is difficult to explain away as anything other than a scam, and is WAY more relevant to Trump as a person than trying to condemn him for donating to charity just a touch too slowly.

I agree, I am way more interested to see where this is going. The same judge that Trump trashed actually agreed to delay the trial, ie a ruling in Trump's favor, until November 28th. He is probably going to have to testify again, he has already given depositions that really don't work in his favor regarding the case. He scammed people, he took their money, and were he not running for Prez this would probably end in a large cash settlement but now who knows. He doesn't want it to go to trial thats for sure.

The irony of him attacking the judge is that Trump' sister is a federal appellate court judge. You would think he would know better in terms of jeopardizing his own case and making an indirect attack on the integrity of an entire branch of government.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-06-01 11:15:37
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He scammed people, he took their money,
Personally?

Remember, your answer will reflect any criticisms made on Clinton Foundation. If you say he personally scammed people with Trump U., then you also say that Clinton herself took personal money from foreign donors from the Clinton Foundation, which is also highly illegal.

So, which is it?

He owned 95% of the company, he was the chief promotor, he took their money, he scammed people. Notice how I didn't say anything about the Clinton foundation? I am only talking about Trump U.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-06-01 11:17:13
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Honestly I don't know why the media isn't making a bigger deal about Trump U. It's something that is difficult to explain away as anything other than a scam, and is WAY more relevant to Trump as a person than trying to condemn him for donating to charity just a touch too slowly.

I agree, I am way more interested to see where this is going. The same judge that Trump trashed actually agreed to delay the trial, ie a ruling in Trump's favor, until November 28th. He is probably going to have to testify again, he has already given depositions that really don't work in his favor regarding the case. He scammed people, he took their money, and were he not running for Prez this would probably end in a large cash settlement but now who knows. He doesn't want it to go to trial thats for sure.

The irony of him attacking the judge is that Trump' sister is a federal appellate court judge. You would think he would know better in terms of jeopardizing his own case and making an indirect attack on the integrity of an entire branch of government.

Nah, he doesn't think about anything, he goes into berzerk mode and attacks whoever. There is no thought in any of these recent temper tantrums.
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-01 11:18:46
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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He scammed people, he took their money,
Personally?

Remember, your answer will reflect any criticisms made on Clinton Foundation. If you say he personally scammed people with Trump U., then you also say that Clinton herself took personal money from foreign donors from the Clinton Foundation, which is also highly illegal.

So, which is it?

I mean...I don't really think you can play this card, unless you're saying their foundation was a scam from the start, because you yourself just said that online universities are basically a scam from the get-go...

I mean, look. I'm not defending the Clintons or any of their shady ***. I'm just saying I think you're going out of your way to draw equivalence where it's not really there. Criticism due to each, but they're not really the same thing.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-01 11:33:11
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The part I find funny is how a presidential candidate can't seem to take media scrutiny without acting liking a cornered animal.

Meanwhile every voter that has been shat on by the liberal media over the past 8 years loved every minute of him pointing out their hypocrisy and ***. Any legitimate criticism of Trump if ever evenly levied on Clinton, will uncover results at least twice as horrifying.

But of course the most ravenous liberals will do what they can to insulate against that cognitive dissonance.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-06-01 11:43:18
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those are some pretty big words for a trump thread nausi!

type slower! I can't keep up!
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Meanwhile every voter that has been shat on by the liberal media over the past 8 years loved every minute of him pointing out their hypocrisy and ***.
Of course they were.

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By fonewear 2016-06-01 12:21:15
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It's not enough to explain the universe he has to explain politics too:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-hawking-trump_us_574cf2cae4b055bb11729103?utm_hp_ref=politics
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By Ramyrez 2016-06-01 12:53:00
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DIDN'T YOU ALL SEE THE SIGN!?

HE'S A LIZARD MAN.

THEIR COMING IS UPON US.

STOP TALKING AND PREPARE YOURSELF TO BE A LIVING INCUBATOR FOR THEIR YOUNG WHO WILL THEN DEVOUR YOU UPON BIRTH, AND YOU SHALL BE GRATEFUL FOR THE PRIVELEGE.
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Ramyrez said: »
STOP TALKING AND PREPARE YOURSELF TO BE A LIVING INCUBATOR FOR THEIR MY YOUNG WHO WILL THEN DEVOUR YOU UPON BIRTH, AND YOU SHALL BE GRATEFUL FOR THE PRIVELEGE.

Adding this to my list of great pickup lines.
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
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He scammed people, he took their money,
Personally?

Remember, your answer will reflect any criticisms made on Clinton Foundation. If you say he personally scammed people with Trump U., then you also say that Clinton herself took personal money from foreign donors from the Clinton Foundation, which is also highly illegal.

So, which is it?

He owned 95% of the company, he was the chief promotor, he took their money, he scammed people. Notice how I didn't say anything about the Clinton foundation? I am only talking about Trump U.
That's where the "personally scammed" part comes in.

Did he personally take their money or did he promise the people who attended his seminars money-back guarantee?

The answer to both questions is no.

So what if he owned 95% of the company? He most likely had a statement that every single "student" signed that said that results will vary depending on XXX, and that results are not guaranteed.

He gave lectures. Kindof how Clinton gives speeches, whereas the only real difference is that people put value on his words and individually pay to hear him talk about his "secrets to his success" while Clinton just collects money from speeches she gives by whoever is hosting the event.

In case you haven't realized yet, 1 event that works for one person doesn't always work for another. Salesmen/women don't just pop out of the ground and become successful overnight. And they certainly don't depend solely on one person's viewpoint on how to make money.

Which is the real scam: Get rich schemes that the speaker isn't the one at fault, it's the listeners who actually believe him. If you know that you are buying a viewpoint, you don't depend on it fully, just as a reference.
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
He scammed people, he took their money,
Personally?

Remember, your answer will reflect any criticisms made on Clinton Foundation. If you say he personally scammed people with Trump U., then you also say that Clinton herself took personal money from foreign donors from the Clinton Foundation, which is also highly illegal.

So, which is it?

I mean...I don't really think you can play this card, unless you're saying their foundation was a scam from the start, because you yourself just said that online universities are basically a scam from the get-go...

I mean, look. I'm not defending the Clintons or any of their shady ***. I'm just saying I think you're going out of your way to draw equivalence where it's not really there. Criticism due to each, but they're not really the same thing.
I can't really say that the Clinton Foundation is a scam. They care about more foreign events than domestic, but that's their core.

What's really the issue is that you can't attack somebody on a personal level without attacking the exact same thing with a different name on them.

Vic just wants to attack Trump because he is a die-hard democrat. He will support Clinton regardless of what she does, even if she comes out and says "Death to America," he will follow her to the ends of the earth.
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