Ehhhh. Like I said. I just don't think they're the same thing.
In essence, Trump University is different than Clinton Foundation.
But in practice? Both are either run exclusively by a person (which is what Vic is trying to tie Trump to his university) or they are both not. I highly doubt Trump puts in, what is legally defined as effort, into Trump U. I also highly doubt Clinton puts in, again, as legally defined as effort, into Clinton Foundation. But if Vic wants to accuse Trump in running Trump U., then by default, he has to also accuse Clinton in running Clinton Foundation. Which means that Clinton is influenced by private, foreign donors, which is highly illegal as it is.
Under the legal definition of effort, when Vic accuses one, he accuses them both.
So, again, which is it? Did Trump committed fraud (and if so, what's the fraud?), or did he not commit fraud?
Remember, your answer will reflect any criticisms made on Clinton Foundation. If you say he personally scammed people with Trump U., then you also say that Clinton herself took personal money from foreign donors from the Clinton Foundation, which is also highly illegal.
So, which is it?
He owned 95% of the company, he was the chief promotor, he took their money, he scammed people. Notice how I didn't say anything about the Clinton foundation? I am only talking about Trump U.
That's where the "personally scammed" part comes in.
Did he personally take their money or did he promise the people who attended his seminars money-back guarantee?
The answer to both questions is no.
So what if he owned 95% of the company? He most likely had a statement that every single "student" signed that said that results will vary depending on XXX, and that results are not guaranteed.
He gave lectures. Kindof how Clinton gives speeches, whereas the only real difference is that people put value on his words and individually pay to hear him talk about his "secrets to his success" while Clinton just collects money from speeches she gives by whoever is hosting the event.
In case you haven't realized yet, 1 event that works for one person doesn't always work for another. Salesmen/women don't just pop out of the ground and become successful overnight. And they certainly don't depend solely on one person's viewpoint on how to make money.
Which is the real scam: Get rich schemes that the speaker isn't the one at fault, it's the listeners who actually believe him. If you know that you are buying a viewpoint, you don't depend on it fully, just as a reference.
You obviously haven't looked at this case at all. He didn't give lectures he wasn't even there. He made no appearances as a teacher at his "university." He was just the promoter, making promises that weren't kept in exchange for a credit card swipe. This is an actual fraudulent case that is going to trial, you are going to need a lot more than "But Hillary" to defend this one.
He gave a few, he wasn't the sole sponsor of the courses.
But you just proved my point: he is not personally responsible for Trump U. You just admitted that there were other people who ran the university, and also taught the "classes."
You also fail to state any promises not kept. You also didn't even say what promises were made.
You are also ignoring any and all disclaimers the "university" may have had, such as "results are not guaranteed" like pretty much every service that sells you results have.
"We're going to have professors and adjunct professors that are absolutely terrific people, terrific brains, successful. We are going to have the best of the best... and these are people that are handpicked by me."
But a CNN investigation finds that Trump and others involved in the school admitted under oath that some promises made to students just didn't happen.
In Trump's own deposition this past December, Trump failed to recognize the name of a single presenter or teacher at his real estate seminars. He also confirmed he had nothing to do with the selection process of instructors who taught at the school's events or mentors for the school's "Gold Elite" programs.
A review of Trump University presenters and so-called real estate experts found many with questionable credentials and inflated resumes. Court documents show background-checks conducted during the hiring process could not determine whether some instructors even graduated high school.
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In a recently released deposition taken on July 25, 2012, Sexton, stated under oath: "None of our instructors at the live events were handpicked by Donald Trump."
Asked by attorneys if anyone at the Trump Organization was involved in the curriculum for the three-day real estate workshops, Sexton answered, "No."
"The president that U.S citizens must vote for is not that dull Hilary...but Trump who spoke of holding direct conversations with North Korea"- DPRK Today
"The president that U.S citizens must vote for is not that dull Hilary...but Trump who spoke of holding direct conversations with North Korea"- DPRK Today
"The president that U.S citizens must vote for is not that dull Hilary...but Trump who spoke of holding direct conversations with North Korea"- DPRK Today
"We're going to have professors and adjunct professors that are absolutely terrific people, terrific brains, successful. We are going to have the best of the best... and these are people that are handpicked by me."
But a CNN investigation finds that Trump and others involved in the school admitted under oath that some promises made to students just didn't happen.
In Trump's own deposition this past December, Trump failed to recognize the name of a single presenter or teacher at his real estate seminars. He also confirmed he had nothing to do with the selection process of instructors who taught at the school's events or mentors for the school's "Gold Elite" programs.
A review of Trump University presenters and so-called real estate experts found many with questionable credentials and inflated resumes. Court documents show background-checks conducted during the hiring process could not determine whether some instructors even graduated high school.
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In a recently released deposition taken on July 25, 2012, Sexton, stated under oath: "None of our instructors at the live events were handpicked by Donald Trump."
Asked by attorneys if anyone at the Trump Organization was involved in the curriculum for the three-day real estate workshops, Sexton answered, "No."
Folks familiar with Donald Trump’s masterful manipulation of the media will likely note that he picked Tuesday -- the day the court said it would release the documents -- to host a hugely contentious press conference in which he angrily berated the media for more than 40 minutes.
In doing so, he virtually guaranteed that news stories about the dubious practices of Trump University would be sharing space with stories about Trump claiming the media is completely biased against him.
Strangely, the Trump University “curriculum” offers no classes on media manipulation.
~fiscal times.
If he doesn't win he's got a bright future in public relation and damage control.
Folks familiar with Donald Trump’s masterful manipulation of the media will likely note that he picked Tuesday -- the day the court said it would release the documents -- to host a hugely contentious press conference in which he angrily berated the media for more than 40 minutes.
In doing so, he virtually guaranteed that news stories about the dubious practices of Trump University would be sharing space with stories about Trump claiming the media is completely biased against him.
Strangely, the Trump University “curriculum” offers no classes on media manipulation.
~fiscal times.
If he doesn't win he's got a bright future in public relation and damage control.
So?
Congratulations, you confused an opinion piece for news. Way to go! Want a cookie?
Folks familiar with Donald Trump’s masterful manipulation of the media will likely note that he picked Tuesday -- the day the court said it would release the documents -- to host a hugely contentious press conference in which he angrily berated the media for more than 40 minutes.
In doing so, he virtually guaranteed that news stories about the dubious practices of Trump University would be sharing space with stories about Trump claiming the media is completely biased against him.
Strangely, the Trump University “curriculum” offers no classes on media manipulation.
~fiscal times.
If he doesn't win he's got a bright future in public relation and damage control.
So?
Congratulations, you confused an opinion piece for news. Way to go! Want a cookie?
So?
You seemed to have me confused with someone who values your opinion.
King, you are one of the best researchers here. Why are you SO FRICKING BLIND to the fraud that was Trump U?
He promised things that he did not deliver. Like he was going to hand pick every instructor for a start. But he didn't pick a single one. But that's just #1. There are so many other fraudulent points.
It didn't teach Trump's real estate secrets, those were inheriting a fortune and invaluable contacts. Which can't be taught. Nor could it teach his strategy which was to owe so much money that he became to big to foreclose on.
The story of the Trump Shuttle is a perfect example of his operating strategy if not in real estate. Buy stuff with other people's money, stiff them with the tab when things fail, walk away smelling like a rose.
I mean its great, but ... well ... if he had stared Trump shuttle a bit differently, with understanding of his market, there might still be a Trump shuttle today.
King, you are one of the best researchers here. Why are you SO FRICKING BLIND to the fraud that was Trump U?
He promised things that he did not deliver. Like he was going to hand pick every instructor for a start. But he didn't pick a single one. But that's just #1. There are so many other fraudulent points.
It didn't teach Trump's real estate secrets, those were inheriting a fortune and invaluable contacts. Which can't be taught. Nor could it teach his strategy which was to owe so much money that he became to big to foreclose on.
The story of the Trump Shuttle is a perfect example of his operating strategy if not in real estate. Buy stuff with other people's money, stiff them with the tab when things fail, walk away smelling like a rose.
I mean its great, but ... well ... if he had stared Trump shuttle a bit differently, with understanding of his market, there might still be a Trump shuttle today.
Let me tell you why this whole event is not fraud:
1) Nobody went to his "university" because Trump handpicked instructors or not. If he promised to reveal the secrets of real estate but all it talked about was pizza, then that would be fraud. He made no promises about the services he was selling that he didn't deliver. He was selling real estate advice, that's what people got.
2) If very minor promises are considered fraud, then everyone is guilty of it. I'm sure you have made promises you didn't keep. Should I sue you for that?
3) If you are going to attack him for very minor promises he didn't keep, then he is ahead of the curve. Why aren't you attacking Clinton on her promises she never kept?
As for you saying his curriculum wasn't teaching real estate business practices, how do you know? Do you even know anything about real estate?
Let me tell you why this whole event is not fraud:
1) Nobody went to his "university" because Trump handpicked instructors or not. If he promised to reveal the secrets of real estate but all it talked about was pizza, then that would be fraud. He made no promises about the services he was selling that he didn't deliver. He was selling real estate advice, that's what people got.
There are 3 assumptions in those 4 sentences that you can't back up at all. The fact that he has already had to testify that he did not in fact deliver on major parts of his promises is a much stronger argument that Trump U was a fraud than your dismissive attitude about it.
You do not get to define what "very minor" broken promises are. Especially when millions of dollars were spent. Your definition of "very minor" is obviously very different than what the courts say, it doesn't even follow common sense.
And stop talking about Clinton, she has no relevance to the Trump U case.
There are 3 assumptions in those 4 sentences that you can't back up at all. The fact that he has already had to testify that he did not in fact deliver on major parts of his promises is a much stronger argument that Trump U was a fraud than your dismissive attitude about it.
You do not get to define what "very minor" broken promises are. Especially when millions of dollars were spent. Your definition of "very minor" is obviously very different than what the courts say, it doesn't even follow common sense.
Good thing you are not the courts. You can't even put aside your biases.
So, despite your attempts to dismiss the case, it is going to trial in California and most likely New York. Trump is going to have to take the stand again and explain the role he had in selling Trump U as a legitimate business and prove that it was not in fact fraud. Based on the testimony so far it looks like he broke several promises and outright lied to people while taking their money. If he wasn't running for President he would probably settle out of court and the victims would get a substantial payday. Now who knows the victims will probably demand even more money.
US TV network NBC is cutting ties with Donald Trump over "recent derogatory statements" that the veteran businessman made about immigrants.
NBC said the company would now not be airing the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants that are co-owned by Mr Trump.
Responding to the announcement, Mr Trump said he would consider suing NBC.
Earlier this month, he accused Mexicans of adding drugs and crime to the US as he announced he was seeking the Republican presidential nomination.
"They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some I assume are good people, but I speak to border guards, and they tell us what we are getting," he said in his speech on 16 June.
He also pledged to build a "great wall" on the US border with Mexico and insisted it would be paid for by Mexicans.
He later insisted he was criticising US lawmakers, not Mexican people.
