Killer Instinct: The Beastmaster Compendium

One easy way to test for attack bonus would be using a geo and RDM to help you. The RDM can start off with Dia 1, then do your tests, then dia 2; test again; dia III test again, no dia, but frailty, test again; frailty+dia 1, etc. You can also throw other attack buffs into the mix, but the RDM and GEO would probably be faster, as you wont have to deal with ability cooldowns.

You keep cycling debuffs to the monster's defense until you reach PDIF cap. (which you should be able to do in roughly increments of 5% with those jobs helping. At each interval you would test multiple weaponskills to see which ones keep scaling up in damage, and which ones don't. (Be mindful that some actually have an attack penalty, and will not cap until after you would be at PDIF cap with the other WS, though I don't know offhand if any axe WS are that way.)

I'm guessing at least 100 samples at each level? 3k tp for easy consistency

Well we did kind of start this discussion at comparing 1k tp lol

Ruinator has an attack bonus. A lot of ws have bonuses/penalties that aren't listed in game though they often don't get found out till decently after the fact when people start questioning the dmgs they are getting on ws they use. So less popular ws hardly ever get checked

Depends on how tight you can control things. If you can keep tp steady (easy at 3k) And take out multi attack variance will go down to just the 5% randomizer. Also could probably zero in faster using melee hits to find when you are capping melee then see if going up/down from there changes the ws dmg

Random update:
Using flippant's Parse lua (great addon that was quite useful for breaking down some detailed pet data) was able to evaluate some Pet Double Attack rates.

There was an Official Forums post several years ago where some info was dropped about BlackbeardRandy and RedolentCandi/AlluringHoney... the snapweed comments were debunked by dasva, but I was always curious if the Tiger actually had an enhanced Double Attack rate or if their info was simply an allusion to him being a WAR pet.

For test subjects I used:
1. VivaciousVickie (Boar MNK)
2. RhymingShizuna (Sheep WAR)
3. BlackbeardRandy (Tiger WAR)
and as a point of interest...
4. Left-HandedYoko (Mosquito ???).

Tested on Campaign Fortifications, with no Pet:Double Attack gear equipped, and got the following results:



So as predicted, VivaciousVickie had 0% Double Attack (MNK) and RhymingShizuna had 18% Double Attack (Level 99 WAR trait).

The parse indicates that they gave BlackbeardRandy an additional Double Attack+10% bonus, so Pet:DA 28% total. Kinda cool, though it's not like it benefits Razor Fang or Claw Cyclone greatly.

And on top of that we can see they gave the Mosquito a 40% Double Attack rate, which is... interesting.

Are you listing the 10% DA bonus as simply a Randy pet bonus?

Yeah, Mosquito is a really strange pet.
I knew it hit really fast, but I didn't actually think it was DA. I thought it just had a really low delay combined w/ haste.

wish I could figure a way to pin down its job.

I know drk is the best guess. but its attack is ridiculously low. and only other pet supposed to be drk is diremite, which Does have high attack.
Yoko DOES have mp
Drk job traits are just rediculously impossible to test for.

unfortunately pets don't get the killer effect from their job.

Yes - as far as I can see, this is a "BlackbeardRandy" bonus and not a "Tiger Pet" bonus.



Double Attack Parse:
GorefangHobs (Level 99 WAR) - Double Attack 18% (Level 99 WAR trait)
SaberSiravarde (Level 78 WAR) - Double Attack 14% (Level 75 WAR trait)

I spent a few minutes trying to test traits for Colibri familiar and Left-handed Yoko.

As I'm sure you already tested, both have MP.
I also tried to compile a list of traits to test for each remaining job type.
I made the following table of traits for the jobs with native MP:
Listed are traits that should be testable.


whm MDB Auto-Regen
rdm MDB Resist Petrify
blm MAB Burst
sch Resist Silence Burst
pld Resist Sleep
drk Resist paralyze
smn Resist Slow
run MDB Auto-Regen
geo ????
blu ????

Obviously There is no way to test bluemage job traits. (So if I can't identify Yoko, I'll probably call it blu: 40% DA? Why not!? he just has some blu spells {which cant be cast} set that give that trait!).

It doesn't look like any geo traits are testable either. conserve mp, clear mind, Max MP boost.... yeah right.

I did confirm that Colibri does NOT have auto-regen. I had all pet regen gear off, and had Colibri engaged to the obstacle. for about 10 min without hp ticking up at all. I think this should eliminate WHM and RUN from the possibilities.

for sch, drk, pld, smn, and rdm we should be able to see the Resist! message with a significant enough sample size. So finding the right mob to pound on a pet for 100 casts should determine if they have that trait or not. Carmine Dobsonfly is good option for Slow, but I'd love to hear good ideas for sleep, paralyze, petrify and silence mobs. Or if someone willing to team up and go to brenner on rdm w/ me.

MAB and Burst bonus is testable for Yoko (which I'm pretty sure Yoko doesn't have, i've bursted plenty and its a nice boost, but not nearly as big and fluffy bredo on a burst.) but NOT testable for Colibri; No magical ready moves.

the surprise DA finds for Randy and Yoko make me curious about other surprises on existing pets.

also, wow.. just thinking and putting this information together wi/ other stuff

if you take your Multihit ready set (pet da) and melee axes (skullrender x2) which is pretty much my master idle, pet engaged melee set... then you are are looking at 74% DA Melee on Randy and 86% DA for Melee on Yoko. and 64% DA for all the other war pets, and 46% DA for the non-war pets. (don't remember thf's TA rate, probably 8%) thats a pretty sweet DA rate.

I've talked w/ War players who try to get their DA capped and pup can get DA up there during Overdrive especially, but thats a fantastic DA rate.

OH! Tunga for petrify

Problem is it's pretty clear they've done a lot of just messing with stats and bonuses willy nilly to the point it's almost hard to say most even really are a certain job for any practical sense

No Resist! message from either Yoko or Colibri vs Tunga. Thats alot of casts of Slowga and Breakga, even though I did get a 'Resist!' message on my main on a rare occasion that i was close enough to get hit w/ slowga (bst trait!)

so no to SMN, and no to RDM for either of them. though colibri does appear to have higher meva than mosquito, but thats just an assumption on my part.

looking at the resist testing forum, going to dynamis (lower level) and gathering all the bst types w/ there pets is a great way to gather information.

I'll probably have to /whm and diaga > snarl to claim them w/out pet killing them. or summon lower level pet.

Hmmm so that has me thinking has anyone seen any resist! message for any bst pet?

would have to test on a known pld pet for resist sleep.

any mobs or nm's which spam sleep come to mind?

From recent testing it appears that the Augments "Reward" III effect can remove Amnesia from your pet.

Ack.. I never see updates on this thread until its long past >.<;

Very nice find!

Did you test both Ankusa body and Totemic body?

Yessir, they both work (so anything with Augments "Reward" III on it will remove Amnesia).




I've never seen one.

Related to this, since Atma effects are conferred to pets, attempted to get a 'Resist!' message from Hedjedjet's Bindga (casts once per minute).


First got a baseline with level 99 HeraldHenry and bowled a perfect 300 with some Regen Atmas.
Then repeated the process with a couple Resist Bind Atmas - Impaler (Major) and Scorpion Queen (Superior).

Lvl 99 HeraldHenry vs Hedjedjet

Bindga Result Atma: Vicissitude, Sea Daughter, Stronghold Atma: Scorpion Queen, Impaler, Stronghold Bound 300 300 Resists 0 0 Resist! 0 0

It didn't feel worthwhile to continue beyond that - I'm mostly leaning towards Jug Pets not being able to use Resist Traits at all.

To add onto this: confirmed that Atma Killer Effects don't apply to Jug Pets (I think Xilk or Dasva tested this in the past, but just restating it here).

Atma of the Beast King (Beast Killer+10%)
Atma of Hell's Guardian (Demon Killer+%)
Atma of the Dragon Rider (Dragon Killer+10%)
Atma of the Impregnable (Lizard Killer+10%)
Atma of the Hybrid Beast (Arcana Killer+10%)

All have no impact on Jug Pet intimidation rates versus those monster families.

And while the Killer Effect Vorseal/Blessing are added on top of your Master's current Killer traits effects, for Jug Pets they have no impact. After 10000+ attack rounds from Lentic Toads onto SwoopingZhivago, the intimidation rate was ~5%.

Great testing.

this sounds like a good one to enter as a bug though.

vorseals are supposed to affect pet and master.

maybe they'll fix it some day :P

I mean, hey, they changed the ram mount name to sheep mount :P

but really, those killer effects from vorseals and atma not affecting pets is probably unintentional. Most everything about pets is unintentional. If its not too hard to change, they might do it.

They might if they didn't have such a hard on for summoner and such a hard on for hating on bst

Question, just picked up a skullrender, what augment path do you guys recommend?

Thank you,

Skullrender is a nicely flexible weapons for augments.

I'd say it mostly depends on which augments you need most.

The ones I keep permanently are path C. i primarily use them for PET TP axes.

I use them for when pet is engaged and master is not. I also use 1 for offhand for Multihit ready moves.

There are better options for Pet attack and Accuracy. there are better options for Pet MAB. However, you might not have those yet, and a MAB skullrender might be a good filler piece until you can get something better.

I saw the post about Plume from the previous page, and saw how it stacked up with Geo debuffs. Does anyone know if Corrosive ooze works the same way? How does it rank against and or stack up with geo buffs, dia2/3, and other defense down things?

Yes Corrosive Ooze works the same way.
Its really the way DEF down works.
Go read the DEF down page on BG-wiki. It describes the mechanics.

DEF down mechanics stack the same way MDB down mechanics stack.

I don't recall what the specific cap is for def down.

I have the impression that bolster geo-frailty caps def down by itself. but it feels vague and I'm not sure on that point.

Debuffs of completely different types pretty much always stack. So all geo ones will stack with non geo. And weird dot ones like bio/dia are a separate category and steps are yet another category. Corrosive ooze is and pretty much always been the strongest straight def down debuff a player had access to and still pretty competitive with geo stuff.

def/att down caps at 1 def/att. That said you'll reach ratio caps way before you take a mobs def/att that low

FYI, I submitted Falkirk's testing on Reistance and pet killer effects+ as bug tickets on SE forums.

shoulda done that weeks ago, but I forgot that I hadn't.

Thank you Quetzalcoatl.Xilkk !

Hey Look!!!
I actually got a Reply!!!

SE Forum Thread


So we can expect to see subtle blow and skilchain bonus on Choral Leera, and MDB bonus from rdm

Mab and burst bonus should be there for both the rdm and blm but useless w/out magical ready moves.

I'm curious how the drk traits would be useful. Attack bonus is obvious and helpful. but I'm not sure if Smite will apply to Jedd or Yoko. Or Occult Acumen, but Crit attack bonus should be easily measured.

I'm guessing they are there, because yoko hits pretty darn hard for the low attack rating.

Pretty much all pets have varying amounts of subtle blow and MDB... I think all the mdb were tested but only a limited testing on subtle after it became apparent several had a lot like iirc some were near capped naturally.

Smite likely doesn't work as non mnk pets are considered 1 handed... mnks I'm not sure right now because blunt attacking mobs used to actually have both options depending on the pet but they consolidated them when they did the one handed/pet acc update and I forget which one they put them all in. Can't speak for Yoko but pretty sure crit attack bonus has been tested for war pets as definitely working and basically being the only thing increases dmg on crits when capped pdif (they really need to fix that given they've raised player pdif caps to pet levels.

?????

Yeah, in my reply on SE forum, I stated my surprise that some of out pets have dual jobs.

though we've seen it in monstrosity and NM's It never really occurred to me before that jug pets might have dual jobs.

It makes me wonder which others might have dual jobs.

Curiosity is killing me. I would guess that only the HQ- named types probably have dual jobs. and not all of them at that, as the reply states that Yoko is indeed just DRK.

Not sure how to check aside from posting the whole list of pets and jobs we've discovered and ask for additions/corrections.

easy proof that getting answers gives you more questions.

Speaking of differences between NQ and HQ variants, here's the list of Jug Pet HP Modifiers:

Jug Pet Max HP HP Modifier Threestar Lynn 3604 -40% Brave Hero Glenn 4212 -35% Weevil Familiar 4084 -32.5% Stalwart Angelina 4264 -30% Mosquito Familiar 4322 -30% Slime Familiar 4536 -30% Left-Handed Yoko 4508 -27.5% Sultry Patrice 4730 -27.5% Blackbeard Randy 4860 -25% Generous Arthur 4860 -25% Anklebiter Jedd 4938 -20% Hurler Percival 4988 -20% Suspicious Alice 5184 -20% Cursed Annabelle 5184 -20% Amiable Roche 5184 -20% Headbreaker Ken 5184 -20% Fleet Reinhard 5184 -20% Sweet Caroline 5344 -20% Lynx Familiar 5312 -17.5% Colibri Familiar 5308 -15% Droopy Dortwin 5500 -15% Warlike Patrick 5508 -15% Attentive Ibuki 5508 -15% Brainy Waluis 5508 -15% Spider Familiar 5508 -15% Yellow Beetle Familiar 5508 -15%

Jug Pet Max HP HP Modifier Vivacious Gaston 5508 -15% Surging Storm 5678 -15% Sharpwit Hermes 5678 -15% Hippogryph Familiar 5224 -12.5% Choral Leera 5496 -12.5% Pondering Peter 5702 -12.5% Swooping Zhivago 5702 -12.5% Gussy Hachirobe 5702 -12.5% Energized Sefina 5702 -12.5% Submerged Iyo 5878 -12.5% Daring Roland 5404 -10% Acuex Familiar 5558 -10% Herald Henry 5612 -10% Scissorleg Xerin 5832 -10% Rhyming Shizuna 5832 -10% Redolent Candi 5832 -10% Porter Crab Familiar 5738 -7.5% Fluffy Bredo 5744 -7.5% Bouncing Bertha 6026 -7.5% Alluring Honey 6026 -7.5% Jovial Edwin 5924 -5% Caring Kiyomaro 6346 -5% Vivacious Vickie 6546 -2.5% Sunburst Malfik 5250 +10% Aged Angus 5434 +15%

Tested using Atma of the Bushin's static HP+200 bonus.

New BST Collar augments:


Beastmaster Collar+2 likely gets:
STR/DEX+15
Physical Damage Limit+10%
Pet:Double Attack+25%