On Healing Hands - A Comprehensive WHM Guide (V2)

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By Fenrir.Sathicus 2017-02-14 10:09:23
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I mean...why wouldn't you just use shadow mantle? At least that is going to actually do something.

EVA on a WHM on > 119 content is . . . . . . . . . . .

Other slots, I guess have at it? But back is a pretty poor choice imo.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2017-02-14 12:37:29
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I think I'd rather go with MND or INT (take less damage from magic + maybe resist more status effects.)
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By Asura.Chiaia 2017-02-14 16:18:07
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Ragnarok.Martel said: »
As for testing, so you know what a huge pain in the *** cursna testing is? When testing low removal rates, you tend to die. And there aren't many decent mobs to test on. Can have a BLU cast mortal ray on you in brenner/ballista, but it's got a huge recast and massive MP cost. The casting BLU pretty much needs support in order to spam, and that means more people involved in the testing. Or multiple BLUs. And having to test in PVP breaks your testing up into short chunks, so you can't just automate it and leave it going for good sample sizes.
Oh I know its a huge PITA.
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By Bismarck.Chaosprime 2017-02-27 07:58:51
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Hey All

Had a noobish question:

Currently using Taxamchi and Genbu's shield with Cure Pot on it.

Would aurastorm with chatoyant beat this?

if so can someone break down how the cure pot adds up to be better?

I looked through the guide but couldnt find this explained properly. If you are in the know how please add the elemental obi to that list also

Thanks!
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2017-02-27 08:10:42
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Bismarck.Chaosprime said: »
Hey All

Had a noobish question:

Currently using Taxamchi and Genbu's shield with Cure Pot on it.

Would aurastorm with chatoyant beat this?

if so can someone break down how the cure pot adds up to be better?

I looked through the guide but couldnt find this explained properly. If you are in the know how please add the elemental obi to that list also

Thanks!

Assuming (1) you have capped potency normally and (2) you have a capped Cure Potency Genbu Shield

Tamaxchi + Genbu Shield = 27% Potency
Chatoyant Staff = 10% Potency and a multiplicative 20% bonus for Iridescence

Tamaxhi + Genbu = 1.5 potency multiplier
Staff = ( 1.5 - 0.27 + 0.10 ) * 1.2 = 1.596 potency multiplier

Ideally though you should be aiming to fill the cure potency deficit in other slots for maximum benefit.

Weather effect is a multiplier on top of other values, thus leading to some pretty high numbers when planning properly. BG Wiki link here for Cure potency formula.
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2017-02-27 09:26:29
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Random double post - does anyone know the maximum number of effects Sacrifice can steal from an ally? BGWiki states 7 (.... that's actually my edit, holy crap >>; ) but I jacked 11 the other day.

For my own curiosity, I'm just wondering if anyone's seen some crazy number like 15+ or something.
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By Asura.Pergatory 2017-02-27 10:18:54
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I've seen at least 12. When a person has Impact or some other all-stats-down move, it can be particularly huge.
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By minikomby 2017-02-27 13:45:14
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Hey guys

Looking for some HP + Gears/sets and accerories for WHM please
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2017-02-27 14:39:44
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minikomby said: »
Hey guys

Looking for some HP + Gears/sets and accerories for WHM please

Not a gear set but you can use this site's advance search feature to isolate for specific parameters - here's something I used quickly to search for any HP+ rings level 99 or over.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2017-02-27 14:51:51
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Ragnarok.Ghishlain said: »
minikomby said: »
Hey guys

Looking for some HP + Gears/sets and accerories for WHM please

Not a gear set but you can use this site's advance search feature to isolate for specific parameters - here's something I used quickly to search for any HP+ rings level 99 or over.
just as a PSA: Don't use the Itemlevel i119 search feature, there is lots of broken equipment listed as item level 225.
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By Skjalfeirdotter 2017-02-27 15:23:45
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minikomby said: »
Hey guys

Looking for some HP + Gears/sets and accerories for WHM please

ItemSet 349746

Other nice options are Beguiling necklace, Repulse mantle and Eschan Stone.
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By Asura.Krystela 2017-02-27 18:46:13
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I will update the thread soonish, I promess ;_; Sorry work is kinda eating me alive.

Please forgive the Krys
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2017-02-27 20:55:42
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Some alternatives.

Plenitas Virga+Tzacap grip = 150 HP, less MP than the Club shield combo though.
Egoist's tathlum is +45 HP.
Aenotherus mantle +1 +120 HP, but -50 MP.
Bloodbead gorget is 60 HP.
Dualism collar +1 is +60 HP/MP.
Theophany Duckbills+3 are HP+74/MP+76
Gold moogle belt if you have it. I have about 2400 HP in escha in my Devotion set. At that HP G.M. belt would give +72 HP
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2017-02-28 09:37:46
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Asura.Krystela said: »
I will update the thread soonish, I promess ;_; Sorry work is kinda eating me alive.

Please forgive the Krys

You are forgiven =p

Also *Randomly waves back from the other night* I SAW THAT
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By Asura.Krystela 2017-02-28 11:00:40
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Ragnarok.Ghishlain said: »
Asura.Krystela said: »
I will update the thread soonish, I promess ;_; Sorry work is kinda eating me alive.

Please forgive the Krys

You are forgiven =p

Also *Randomly waves back from the other night* I SAW THAT
I honestly wasnt sure if it was you because no waves back!
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By Asura.Avallon 2017-02-28 11:03:03
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Asura.Krystela said: »
Ragnarok.Ghishlain said: »
Asura.Krystela said: »
I will update the thread soonish, I promess ;_; Sorry work is kinda eating me alive.

Please forgive the Krys

You are forgiven =p

Also *Randomly waves back from the other night* I SAW THAT
I honestly wasnt sure if it was you because no waves back!

/wave <3

That should make up for any missed gestures of good will.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2017-02-28 11:10:21
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Asura.Krystela said: »
Ragnarok.Ghishlain said: »
Asura.Krystela said: »
I will update the thread soonish, I promess ;_; Sorry work is kinda eating me alive.

Please forgive the Krys

You are forgiven =p

Also *Randomly waves back from the other night* I SAW THAT
I honestly wasnt sure if it was you because no waves back!
Ghish is secretly a rude duuudeee
(he isnt really)
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By Ragnarok.Ghishlain 2017-02-28 11:23:46
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Why do I feel I might need to start waving to a bunch more people on Asura xD

And @Krystela - yep, that was me, just AFK in the shower at the time I think, lol.

*Begins to rant @Lina regarding stupid Toronto drivers again*
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By Asura.Krystela 2017-02-28 11:35:52
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XD
@ava /waves <3 <3
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By Asura.Krystela 2017-03-05 15:36:53
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Just wanted to say that my computer died last tursday and that I will update the thread as soon as I get my new one.

Sorry guys and gals! It is impossible to update this stuff via tablet, a true nightmare.
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By Asura.Pergatory 2017-03-06 10:32:40
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Welcome back Krys, I was wondering where you disappeared to! Sorry for not being in contact much lately
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By Carbuncle.Doryll 2017-03-06 11:34:26
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Skjalfeirdotter said: »
minikomby said: »
Hey guys

Looking for some HP + Gears/sets and accerories for WHM please

ItemSet 349746

Other nice options are Beguiling necklace, Repulse mantle and Eschan Stone.

For Gearswap users, can you explain how use this set ? easy to use this set during the JA activation, but hard to be full HP in this set !! (Devotion = 25% of the user's current HP without merits)
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2017-03-06 11:38:28
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You'd have to code something to lock in the set while you cure up the missing HP. Probably start the lock on cure midcast so you don't cast slow.

Personally, I'd make it so that trying to use the JA triggers a self targeted cure with the HP+ locked in, then gives you a st to choose the ja target and activate it.

Happy coding.
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By Carbuncle.Doryll 2017-03-06 11:48:41
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Ragnarok.Martel said: »
You'd have to code something to lock in the set while you cure up the missing HP. Probably start the lock on cure midcast so you don't cast slow.

Personally, I'd make it so that trying to use the JA triggers a self targeted cure with the HP+ locked in, then gives you a st to choose the ja target and activate it.

Happy coding.

Thank you Martel
Unfortunately, i don't know how code that.. if someone can share something like this, i would be happy !
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2017-03-06 12:14:26
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Or you can just use cure potency gear. Skirmish head with cure potency augment works well because you'll want to swap out the head for the devotion piece anyways. Not 100% that Nares legs works with those JAs, but I've been using that and it usually caps my hp with a self cure5 from max hp. Alternatively, you can use Divine Seal with cure4, since no one uses that anyways, and it has the same recast as devotion.

Using this set also works well to get the "cure 500 hp" objective in omen done quickly, though it does drain mp a bit.
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By Carbuncle.Doryll 2017-03-06 12:44:47
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I don't understand what you mean, you need use a midcast cure with HPmax or when cure lands, you will be not with high HP ! Then you need to have an aftercast with HPmax too or your idle set will cancel your maxhp set, after this, using Devotion with the Devotion head. I don't understand how you can do this without locking piece like Martel explains.
Thank you for your help
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2017-03-06 13:36:35
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I should probably explain further then.

I use a gearswap command to prepare for devotion. The command triggers a variable that bypasses the aftercast with a simple if-statement, so that's taken care of. Something along the lines of:

midcast:
if variable is true and spell == cure5 then
equip max hp set
else
equip cure set
end

aftercast:
if variable is true then
turn variable off
else
equip aftercast set
end

Do something like bind "gs c maxhpset" to a key, then put as one of your gearswap commands:

if command == "maxhpset" then
turn variable on
input //cure5 <me>


Doing all of that allows you to press one key to both equip your max hp set and cap out your hp, then you can devotion whoever you want immediately. I 3-box, so I set things up where I have to think as little as possible.

And you don't need that much cure potency gear to cap your hp. Using devotion as an example, there is no hp+ piece you can use that will match the bonus to devotion from the corresponding af piece. Hence, you can use the piece that gives the most cure potency instead, then swap in the devotion head piece when you use the JA. Skirmish head can give +18 cure potency alone, which makes it an ideal piece for this strategy. Nares legs also gives 9 cure potency, along with 4% hp (though again, I never got around to testing it so I'm not 100% sure +% gear works with devotion), so with those two pieces combined, that's enough to cap out your hp.
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By minikomby 2017-03-08 23:06:51
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How much cure potency gear is needed to cap potency 50% on a whm with 2100 JP?

im not sure if Gifts and that count towards the 50% cap or no
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By Asura.Pergatory 2017-03-09 10:12:33
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They don't. Gifts aren't even real cure potency. They add to the base HP cured, just like the Solace job point category. It's kind of like magic damage for cures, whereas real cure potency is like magic atk bonus.
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