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Gov. Rick Perry indicted on felony charges
By Jetackuu 2014-08-24 02:07:15
It's sad that rent around here isn't much lower than SoCA, that's saying something about the jacked up prices here.
You're looking at $550+ for a single that doesn't have roaches.
Rent for a apartment in the towns around me is 400-500 for decent accommodations. A house with 4 bed, 2 bath is like 700-900 though. yeah, that's cheap.
By Altimaomega 2014-08-24 02:07:32
Which is what you do anywhere when evidence or perspectives don't support your personal narrative. It's the poison of the conservative mind. Only your perspective is a valid world view.
I said in the absence of any more evidence I will disregard what you said. As in, you provided a claim and proceeded to not back it up with any real info, therefore why should I give credence to it?
But if you've ever proven yourself capable of anything, it's forming a hypothesis and then finding evidence for the conclusion.
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Beware, some people around here think hypothesis means something else.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-24 02:10:06
I said in the absence of any more evidence I will disregard what you said. As in, you provided a claim and proceeded to not back it up with any real info, therefore why should I give credence to it?
Because I have a winning smile?
I'm still surprised you haven't spotted the logical inconsistency in saying that Jobs don't require degrees, and then bitching about the inaccessibility of higher education. I left that in there just for you!
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By Altimaomega 2014-08-24 02:10:23
It's sad that rent around here isn't much lower than SoCA, that's saying something about the jacked up prices here.
You're looking at $550+ for a single that doesn't have roaches.
Rent for a apartment in the towns around me is 400-500 for decent accommodations. A house with 4 bed, 2 bath is like 700-900 though. yeah, that's cheap.
Before 2008 you could easily add $300 to those numbers, same scenario by you?
By Jetackuu 2014-08-24 02:12:35
No, this area wasn't hit too terribly hard by the recession (and it's aftermath), short of retail.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-24 02:12:47
Which is what you do anywhere when evidence or perspectives don't support your personal narrative. It's the poison of the conservative mind. Only your perspective is a valid world view.
I said in the absence of any more evidence I will disregard what you said. As in, you provided a claim and proceeded to not back it up with any real info, therefore why should I give credence to it?
But if you've ever proven yourself capable of anything, it's forming a hypothesis and then finding evidence for the conclusion.
ftfy
Beware, some people around here think hypothesis means something else.
I just think it's a cop out personally. Leave yourself a little room to worm your way free. Contextually, the only difference between Conclusion and Hypothesis in this situation is the spelling.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-24 02:13:32
Beware, some people around here think hypothesis means something else. Are we living in a universe where we didn't have to explicitly explain the concept to you?
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By Altimaomega 2014-08-24 02:15:02
I said in the absence of any more evidence I will disregard what you said. As in, you provided a claim and proceeded to not back it up with any real info, therefore why should I give credence to it?
Because I have a winning smile?
I'm still surprised you haven't spotted the logical inconsistency in saying that Jobs don't require degrees, and then bitching about the inaccessibility of higher education. I left that in there just for you!
Accessibility for higher education is not them problem, its paying the student loans off because jobs do not exist.
By Jetackuu 2014-08-24 02:15:56
But if you've ever proven yourself capable of anything, it's forming a conclusion and then finding evidence for the conclusion. Trickle down economics meets intellectual discourse, am I right? Just to clarify here: the fact that he put this here, was a joke, since several people don't seem to get it.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 02:15:58
I said in the absence of any more evidence I will disregard what you said. As in, you provided a claim and proceeded to not back it up with any real info, therefore why should I give credence to it?
Because I have a winning smile?
I'm still surprised you haven't spotted the logical inconsistency in saying that Jobs don't require degrees, and then bitching about the inaccessibility of higher education. I left that in there just for you!
Huh. Okay, yeah, I missed that one. My Fallacy Tracker 9000© needs an upgrade.
By Jetackuu 2014-08-24 02:16:45
I said in the absence of any more evidence I will disregard what you said. As in, you provided a claim and proceeded to not back it up with any real info, therefore why should I give credence to it?
Because I have a winning smile?
I'm still surprised you haven't spotted the logical inconsistency in saying that Jobs don't require degrees, and then bitching about the inaccessibility of higher education. I left that in there just for you!
Accessibility for higher education is not them problem, its paying the student loans off because jobs do not exist.
They're part of the same problem, and not everyone can afford student loans, or get co-signers.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 02:21:27
Gotta say, Zic. Your interpretation of the meaning of hypothesis/conclusion sheds a new light on our argument about Occam's Razor. You might wanna look at the difference between the two scientifically.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-24 02:32:42
Gotta say, Zic. Your interpretation of the meaning of hypothesis/conclusion sheds a new light on our argument about Occam's Razor. You might wanna look at the difference between the two scientifically.
Watch out, we got Sean *** Hannity in the house. Gonna educate me are you?
You pulled this ***with the Occam's razor debate too. Just saying "you got it wrong" and "go look it up" without ever taking the context and explaining what exactly you found fault with. Because in the end, I think you knew it was applicable.
In this Hypothesis instance though, your calling it a Hypothesis just reads like an attempt to shield yourself from criticism. Now, it could be a hypothesis and it could be your ingrained conclusion, that's not the heart of my point. My point is your opinions are presented with a degree of finality that implies a conclusion. At least that's the impression I get from what you write.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 02:39:47
Gotta say, Zic. Your interpretation of the meaning of hypothesis/conclusion sheds a new light on our argument about Occam's Razor. You might wanna look at the difference between the two scientifically.
Watch out, we got Sean *** Hannity in the house. Gonna educate me are you?
Nope. I'm all condescension and no follow-through. Makes it easier to drop the mic, you know?
Edit: Apparently you added to your statement. Do you really want to know what was wrong with your Occam's Razor statement? I'll go into detail if you actually care.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-24 02:43:13
Gotta say, Zic. Your interpretation of the meaning of hypothesis/conclusion sheds a new light on our argument about Occam's Razor. You might wanna look at the difference between the two scientifically.
Watch out, we got Sean *** Hannity in the house. Gonna educate me are you?
Nope. I'm all condescension and no follow-through. Makes it easier to drop the mic, you know?
Edit: Apparently you added to your statement. Do you really want to know what was wrong with your Occam's Razor statement? I'll go into detail if you actually care.
Please do. Because I think you're full of ***, at the worst I learn something about your thought process. (My guess is black-white absolutist)
Nope. I'm all condescension and no follow-through. Makes it easier to drop the mic, you know?
Well, I'm glad to know that you do it on purpose. For the longest time I was absolutely sure you had a developmental disability.
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By Jetackuu 2014-08-24 02:48:36
Gotta say, Zic. Your interpretation of the meaning of hypothesis/conclusion sheds a new light on our argument about Occam's Razor. You might wanna look at the difference between the two scientifically.
Watch out, we got Sean *** Hannity in the house. Gonna educate me are you?
Nope. I'm all condescension and no follow-through. Makes it easier to drop the mic, you know?
Edit: Apparently you added to your statement. Do you really want to know what was wrong with your Occam's Razor statement? I'll go into detail if you actually care. YouTube Video Placeholder
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 02:59:44
That's cute. Anywho, you claimed that Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. This is not true, and is unfounded. What is actually states is that when you're dealing with a variety of hypotheses, the simplest one is usually the best place to start, because in scientific testing it's generally wiser to use a hypothesis with less assumptions when there is a reasonable degree of uncertainty.
It's not a tool for drawing conclusions, it's a tool to simplify the scientific process used to test for conclusions.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 03:04:15
Well, I'm glad to know that you do it on purpose. For the longest time I was absolutely sure you had a developmental disability.
It's good to see that no humor is lost on you.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-08-24 03:05:46
It's actually the hypothesis with fewest assumptions (to be technical), which does not always coincide with simplest hypothesis
Edit: depending on how you are defining simplest.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-24 03:10:26
That's cute. Anywho, you claimed that Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. This is not true, and is unfounded. What is actually states is that when you're dealing with a variety of hypotheses, the simplest one is usually the best place to start, because in scientific testing it's generally wiser to use a hypothesis with less assumptions when there is a reasonable degree of uncertainty.
It's not a tool for drawing conclusions, it's a tool to simplify the scientific process used to test for conclusions.
Nothing in there I asserted. Like I predicted, you're full of ***and are just an absolutist.
It's actually the hypothesis with fewest assumptions (to be technical), which does not always coincide with simplest hypothesis
Edit: depending on how you are defining simplest.
I think it's telling that Kara, in two lines, managed to grasp uncertainty and language in nuance.
If there was an error, I think Kara has the essence of it. I may have taken "Simplest" in passing reference to Occam's razor. That sounds like something I'd do, and I'll still defend the validity of on the basis that language is a nuanced form of communication. Something I don't anticipate an absolutist to understand.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 03:12:24
It's actually the hypothesis with fewest assumptions (to be technical), which does not always coincide with simplest hypothesis
Edit: depending on how you are defining simplest.
Thanks for clarifying.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 03:12:58
That's cute. Anywho, you claimed that Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. This is not true, and is unfounded. What is actually states is that when you're dealing with a variety of hypotheses, the simplest one is usually the best place to start, because in scientific testing it's generally wiser to use a hypothesis with less assumptions when there is a reasonable degree of uncertainty.
It's not a tool for drawing conclusions, it's a tool to simplify the scientific process used to test for conclusions.
Nothing in there I asserted. Like I predicted, you're full of ***and are just an absolutist.
Nope, go back and check your own comments.
inb4 ninja edit
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-24 03:15:11
That's cute. Anywho, you claimed that Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. This is not true, and is unfounded. What is actually states is that when you're dealing with a variety of hypotheses, the simplest one is usually the best place to start, because in scientific testing it's generally wiser to use a hypothesis with less assumptions when there is a reasonable degree of uncertainty.
It's not a tool for drawing conclusions, it's a tool to simplify the scientific process used to test for conclusions.
Nothing in there I asserted. Like I predicted, you're full of ***and are just an absolutist.
Nope, go back and check your own comments.
I did. You're still wrong.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 03:19:23
That's cute. Anywho, you claimed that Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. This is not true, and is unfounded. What is actually states is that when you're dealing with a variety of hypotheses, the simplest one is usually the best place to start, because in scientific testing it's generally wiser to use a hypothesis with less assumptions when there is a reasonable degree of uncertainty.
It's not a tool for drawing conclusions, it's a tool to simplify the scientific process used to test for conclusions.
Nothing in there I asserted. Like I predicted, you're full of ***and are just an absolutist.
Nope, go back and check your own comments.
I did. You're still wrong.
Even if you said that which relies on the least assumptions is usually true, you're still wrong.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-24 03:22:20
That's cute. Anywho, you claimed that Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. This is not true, and is unfounded. What is actually states is that when you're dealing with a variety of hypotheses, the simplest one is usually the best place to start, because in scientific testing it's generally wiser to use a hypothesis with less assumptions when there is a reasonable degree of uncertainty.
It's not a tool for drawing conclusions, it's a tool to simplify the scientific process used to test for conclusions.
Nothing in there I asserted. Like I predicted, you're full of ***and are just an absolutist.
Nope, go back and check your own comments.
I did. You're still wrong.
Even if you said that which relies on the least assumptions is usually true, you're still wrong.
If you're so keen on making a point, why not harvest my quotes and show the error? That's what I was originally expecting, not your kindergarten absolutist mentality barking wiki definitions.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 03:27:00
If you're so keen on making a point, why not harvest my quotes and show the error? k
We were talking about Occam's razor a little while ago, and if you're unfamiliar with the term, it basically means that which relies on the least assumptions is usually true.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-24 03:40:08
If you're so keen on making a point, why not harvest my quotes and show the error? k
We were talking about Occam's razor a little while ago, and if you're unfamiliar with the term, it basically means that which relies on the least assumptions is usually true.
The dividing line is clearly those last few words. "Usually True" and " is should be selected."
Curious that you neglected any other quotes. I think this again proves my assumption that you're just an absolutist, which is really the most pitiful of reasoning techniques. Context is overrated, amirite Kindergarten?!
Anyway, I still defend the validity of my statement, as it was passing casual reference to the nature of some of the claims being thrown around in the thread, claims that require tremendous assumptions to be true.
If anyone else disagrees with this I'm more than welcome to entertain different perspectives. But I don't accept your particular brand of one-track thinking as an adequate rebuttal, and I really don't think anyone else will either.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-08-24 03:41:17
You're both kind of right, honestly. Occam's Razor isn't a tool but a reminder about assumptions, and how variables muck things up. The more complex theory may be right but in the absence of certainty, the fewer assumptions the better.
Zic is arguing definition. Rav is arguing practice.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-24 03:42:24
You're both kind of right, honestly. Occam's Razor isn't a tool but a reminder about assumptions, and how variables muck things up. The more complex theory may be right but in the absence of certainty, the fewer assumptions the better.
Zic is arguing definition. Rav is arguing practice.
Noun and Verb. WHO WILL WIN?!
I never made the claim that Ravael was wrong about this (interpretation of the word, he is wrong about me incorrectly using it) by the way. Just that his one-dimensional thought is pitifully inadequate.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-24 03:44:49
Ironic, calling someone Kindergarten as an insult. I guess it's a step above doody-head. It's cool, though. Some people can't handle being called wrong even as adults.
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Grand Jury indicts Rick Perry
Quote: (CNN) -- A grand jury has indicted Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a potential 2016 presidential candidate, saying he abused his power by trying to pressure a district attorney to resign.
The two felony counts against Perry, a Republican, stem from his threat to veto funding for a statewide public integrity unit run by Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg unless she stepped down, the special prosecutor in the case, Michael McCrum, said.
Perry attorney David L. Botsford called the indictment a "political abuse of the court system." He said the action "violated the separation of powers" and "sets a dangerous precedent by allowing a grand jury to punish the exercise of a lawful and constitutional authority afforded to the Texas governor."
CNN affiliate KVUE reported that Perry will have to report to the Travis County Jail in the capital of Austin to be booked, fingerprinted and have his photo made for a mugshot.
Perry can continue to serve as governor while under indictment, KVUE reported. His attorneys could seek to have the charges thrown out, a motion that would delay the case, at the very least.
The grand jury in Travis County indicted the governor on charges of coercion of a public servant and abuse of his official capacity.
I actually didn't believe the headline when I first saw it, but its on every website, even the beloved Fox News. So this is real, its not some doomed publicity stunt *looking at you and your little lawsuit Boehner*
The failed Presidential candidate and pathetic governor of Texas is facing two felony counts of abusing power and coercion. He is going to be arrested, booked, fingerprinted, and a mugshot taken. Can't wait to see that.
Apparently he thought he could use his power to pressure an attorney to resign. I'm not surprised that he would attempt something like that due to his huge ego and lack of intellect, and living in Illinois, used to seeing governors go to jail. He is facing 99 years if convicted.
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