Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
It amazes me how so many who identify as being in one of the protestant sects, deny a historical fact that organized religions have manipulated the scriptures for personal gains and control of the masses.
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Those who forget history are doomed to pay for indulgences. Ragnarok.Yatenkou said: » Not even going to bother talking anymore, if I say anything it'll just be "You're *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE" Ragnarok.Yatenkou said: » Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Replace anti-gay with anti-brown people and this isn't even a debate as the NPR dude said. Sorry Christians, you'll have to evolve your religion beyond hating people for being different and focus on that Christ part. Grow up. Remember, your religion once said slavery was ok. How about you shut the *** up? You just labeled every Christian as a hating bigot. I'm sorry, I didn't know I was some uneducated *** who likes to oppress people. No? I don't? Just because someone is a Christian Sparth, does not mean they are what you say you are. Most Christians actually don't give a frog's fat ***, it's the religious zealots making the moderate majority look bad, and you just made yourself look ignorant by stating that. Am I mad? Yeah, that's an insult directed at me, my family, and my friends whom are Christian. Take your crap elsewhere if you're going to hurl *** lies. If you bothered to read anything prior to this you'd know my rancor is directed at the major Christian organizations that still peddle homophobia, division and hatred as the priority by which to live your life. You know, like the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church and every major Christian organization wielding power in the world. Further, the anti-gay agenda is right in the Bible alongside the slavery tidbits so I'm not pulling this out of my ***. If you manage to read it in a way that allows for peaceful coexistence wonderful. But I don't even know what you're mad about, there are more sects of Christianity than colors in the gay rainbow. If you've managed to shake the obsession with hatred then congratulations, you're among the minority. I'll be seeing you in the soup kitchens, planting trees, playing FFXIV or whatever it is substantive we can do to make the world a better place.
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Quote: there are more sects of Christianity than colors in the gay rainbow. Quote of the day imo. Thank you, Sparth.
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Ragnarok.Yatenkou said: » Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » Replace anti-gay with anti-brown people and this isn't even a debate as the NPR dude said. Sorry Christians, you'll have to evolve your religion beyond hating people for being different and focus on that Christ part. Grow up. Remember, your religion once said slavery was ok. How about you shut the *** up? You just labeled every Christian as a hating bigot. I'm sorry, I didn't know I was some uneducated *** who likes to oppress people. No? I don't? Just because someone is a Christian Sparth, does not mean they are what you say you are. Most Christians actually don't give a frog's fat ***, it's the religious zealots making the moderate majority look bad, and you just made yourself look ignorant by stating that. Am I mad? Yeah, that's an insult directed at me, my family, and my friends whom are Christian. Take your crap elsewhere if you're going to hurl *** lies. If you bothered to read anything prior to this you'd know my rancor is directed at the major Christian organizations that still peddle homophobia, division and hatred as the priority by which to live your life. You know, like the Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church and every major Christian organization wielding power in the world. Further, the anti-gay agenda is right in the Bible alongside the slavery tidbits so I'm not pulling this out of my ***. If you manage to read it in a way that allows for peaceful coexistence wonderful. But I don't even know what you're mad about, there are more sects of Christianity than colors in the gay rainbow. If you've managed to shake the obsession with hatred then congratulations, you're among the minority. I'll be seeing you in the soup kitchens, planting trees, playing FFXIV or whatever it is substantive we can do to make the world a better place. After the last soup kitchen I helped with turned out to be abusive to the homeless, I don't help unless my mother asks me to. Cerberus.Tikal said: » Do try and reconcile the terms, but they're more different than they are the same, both in type and historical context. The fact that one is a choice and the other is not is a clear enough difference. Link the study which proves there is no longer a nature vs nurture argument please. Really, I would like to read it. In all my work with the DD MR field and working with violent sex offenders (child molesters) I have probed this topic many times but I have not come across a credible study which conclusively determines this. I have read many a study which supports both theories however. I am not trying to argue my view on this either, I would simply like to have that information if we are going to denote it as fact. Phoenix.Ragmar said: » Link the study which proves there is no longer a nature vs nurture argument please. Really, I would like to read it. In all my work with the DD MR field and working with violent sex offenders (child molesters) I have probed this topic many times but I have not come across a credible study which conclusively determines this. I have read many a study which supports both theories however. I am not trying to argue my view on this either, I would simply like to have that information if we are going to denote it as fact. I doubt we are anywhere near 100% conclusive yet, but here are a few articles: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/homosexuality-is-in-the-genes-say-scientists/story-fnb64oi6-1226826955368 http://io9.com/5967426/scientists-confirm-that-homosexuality-is-not-genetic--but-it-arises-in-the-womb (Study: http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/668167#mobileBookmark) As one title says "scientists say its in the genes" and the other says "scientists say its not in the genes" I'm not going in with high hopes but I'll give them a read.
fillerbunny9 said: » These two didn't lose their show because they said "We're Christian/Catholic/Whatever". They lost their show because they publicly demonstrated that "these other groups of people deserve less. Why? Well, because values!" and HGTV said to themselves "We are probably going to get a lot of controversy about this that we don't want. Let's just can the show and sidestep all of that." Who cares so long as they deliver a good program. Paula Dean's show was high in ratings. She was an amazing *** cook. Who cares if you don't agree with her stance on African-Americans. I wasn't watching Paula Dean's show to listen to her political views i was watching her show for fattening recipes. People need to come to this actualization that everyone has different views and opinions. Just because certain opinions are a little more ignorant than others, doesn't give any group the right to publicly scrutinize them. Freedom of speech is a two way street, you are a hypocrite and more importantly a bigot if you can't understand that. Seriously all the *** gay supporters clamming down programs like this act like conservatives are out to perform Matthew Shepard part II. LGBT in this country need to put the poor victim card away in this country, it's getting ridiculous and embarrassing. Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Seriously all the *** gay supporters clamming down programs like this act like conservatives are out to perform Matthew Shepard part II. LGBT in this country need to put the poor victim card away in this country, it's getting ridiculous and embarrassing. Have you actually put any background reading into this at all? If you did I'm sure you know that there Anti-LGBT stance isn't the only reason they had there show shut down. So you may wish to amend your post to include Muslims and "Right to decided Campaigners" both who have an increasingly loud voice in America. I know playing the oppressed (Insert Religion/political view here) is fun but you need to blame all the right people while you'r at it. Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » fillerbunny9 said: » These two didn't lose their show because they said "We're Christian/Catholic/Whatever". They lost their show because they publicly demonstrated that "these other groups of people deserve less. Why? Well, because values!" and HGTV said to themselves "We are probably going to get a lot of controversy about this that we don't want. Let's just can the show and sidestep all of that." Who cares so long as they deliver a good program. Paula Dean's show was high in ratings. She was an amazing *** cook. Who cares if you don't agree with her stance on African-Americans. I wasn't watching Paula Dean's show to listen to her political views i was watching her show for fattening recipes. People need to come to this actualization that everyone has different views and opinions. Just because certain opinions are a little more ignorant than others, doesn't give any group the right to publicly scrutinize them. Freedom of speech is a two way street, you are a hypocrite and more importantly a bigot if you can't understand that. Seriously all the *** gay supporters clamming down programs like this act like conservatives are out to perform Matthew Shepard part II. LGBT in this country need to put the poor victim card away in this country, it's getting ridiculous and embarrassing. When someone displays or voices their opinion, it's open to public scrutiny. Freedom of speech doesn't apply they way you think it does, and have repeatedly corrected by how it does. When you open your mouth and remove all doubt that what you said was foolish or ignorant, intelligent or witty, people are going to form their own opinion, just as Paula Dean shared hers with the viewing audience, regardless of how deliciously fattening her recipes may have been, it sparked an outrage that the people had just as much of a right to respond with. It wasn't the government that censored what she said, it was the broadcasting company and the execs who hired her, that had to cancel her show, or face public backlash, lose endorsements, etc. Essentially, voicing an opinion that was in direct violation of corporate profitability, and that offended the viewers. Great way to stand up and defend bigotry, as long as you personally like her recipes. Nope, no hypocrisy here, folks.
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » So much ignorance. Really? I'm gay and you are? Please enlighten me how you are less ignorant in gay topics than a gay man. I'm also older than most of the gays in this forum. Sorry but this is when I bust out the Whoopi Goldberg The View black card.
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » So much ignorance. Really? I'm gay and you are? Please enlighten me how you are less ignorant in gay topics than a gay man. I'm also older than most of the gays in this forum. Sorry but this is when I bust out the Whoopi Goldberg The View black card. That response right there, spouts ignorance. Just being gay doesn't make anyone more or less ignorant in gay topics. Spouting off ignorant *** the way you do, is ignorant. Age also plays very little when those who are younger, typically have a more open-minded view than the older crowd.
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Who cares so long as they deliver a good program. Paula Dean's show was high in ratings. She was an amazing *** cook. Who cares if you don't agree with her stance on African-Americans. I wasn't watching Paula Dean's show to listen to her political views i was watching her show for fattening recipes. Paula Deen is a brand my friend and her brand was damaged when she decided to open her mouth and say bigoted things about a group of people. She's free to do so but her words have consequences that no amount of "but its what a grew up on!" can excuse. It's a piss poor excuse that should be revealed as the delusional nonsense it is. Networks don't want to have to racists on their networks because it impacts ad revenue, damages a channels image and leaves you open to being attacked by competitors. Today we'll be making a casserole, baking a marbled ham to perfection and lynching inferior people! Yeehaw. Who cares if she was an amazing cook? She apparently was too stupid to understand that becoming a posterchild for bigotry is a good way to get fired. Quote: People need to come to this actualization that everyone has different views and opinions. Just because certain opinions are a little more ignorant than others, doesn't give any group the right to publicly scrutinize them. Freedom of speech is a two way street, you are a hypocrite and more importantly a bigot if you can't understand that. You're free to hold opinions. You're free to have your views. You're not free from the consequences. Going on HGTV as an anti-gay host of a TV show? Are you kidding me, it'd be like me going on CBN after Pat Robertson and calling the viewers a pack of fanatical dumbfucks. Or someone on the Science channel who strongly believes in magic. Target market ***. Quote: Seriously all the *** gay supporters clamming down programs like this act like conservatives are out to perform Matthew Shepard part II. LGBT in this country need to put the poor victim card away in this country, it's getting ridiculous and embarrassing. Yes, people should just accept bigots and racists on TV. What else? Shall we allow people to incite violence on TV because they have an opinion? You're free to do so if you can get a network to support you. Take that ***to public access otherwise.
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » So much ignorance. Really? I'm gay and you are? Please enlighten me how you are less ignorant in gay topics than a gay man. I'm also older than most of the gays in this forum. Sorry but this is when I bust out the Whoopi Goldberg The View black card. I dont think you are ignorant in the areas that concern LBGT, I think you are ignorant in regards to the business world and what freedom of speech really means. If you embarrass your employer/benefactor in any way, whether its by controversial comments or actions, there will be consequences. Like I said earlier, everyone is entitled to their opinion, no one is entitled to their job. Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » So much ignorance. Really? I'm gay and you are? Please enlighten me how you are less ignorant in gay topics than a gay man. I'm also older than most of the gays in this forum. Sorry but this is when I bust out the Whoopi Goldberg The View black card. That response right there, spouts ignorance. Just being gay doesn't make anyone more or less ignorant in gay topics. Spouting off ignorant *** the way you do, is ignorant. Age also plays very little when those who are younger, typically have a more open-minded view than the older crowd. YouTube Video Placeholder Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » fillerbunny9 said: » These two didn't lose their show because they said "We're Christian/Catholic/Whatever". They lost their show because they publicly demonstrated that "these other groups of people deserve less. Why? Well, because values!" and HGTV said to themselves "We are probably going to get a lot of controversy about this that we don't want. Let's just can the show and sidestep all of that." Who cares so long as they deliver a good program. Paula Dean's show was high in ratings. She was an amazing *** cook. Who cares if you don't agree with her stance on African-Americans. I wasn't watching Paula Dean's show to listen to her political views i was watching her show for fattening recipes. People need to come to this actualization that everyone has different views and opinions. Just because certain opinions are a little more ignorant than others, doesn't give any group the right to publicly scrutinize them. Freedom of speech is a two way street, you are a hypocrite and more importantly a bigot if you can't understand that. Seriously all the *** gay supporters clamming down programs like this act like conservatives are out to perform Matthew Shepard part II. LGBT in this country need to put the poor victim card away in this country, it's getting ridiculous and embarrassing. When someone displays or voices their opinion, it's open to public scrutiny. Freedom of speech doesn't apply they way you think it does, and have repeatedly corrected by how it does. When you open your mouth and remove all doubt that what you said was foolish or ignorant, intelligent or witty, people are going to form their own opinion, just as Paula Dean shared hers with the viewing audience, regardless of how deliciously fattening her recipes may have been, it sparked an outrage that the people had just as much of a right to respond with. It wasn't the government that censored what she said, it was the broadcasting company and the execs who hired her, that had to cancel her show, or face public backlash, lose endorsements, etc. Essentially, voicing an opinion that was in direct violation of corporate profitability, and that offended the viewers. Great way to stand up and defend bigotry, as long as you personally like her recipes. Nope, no hypocrisy here, folks. So you would support the decision if it were a member of the LGBT community who were fired for their lifestyle, like an actor who was flamboyantly gay, as it might have offended viewers and effected corporate profitability? Phoenix.Ragmar said: » Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » fillerbunny9 said: » These two didn't lose their show because they said "We're Christian/Catholic/Whatever". They lost their show because they publicly demonstrated that "these other groups of people deserve less. Why? Well, because values!" and HGTV said to themselves "We are probably going to get a lot of controversy about this that we don't want. Let's just can the show and sidestep all of that." Who cares so long as they deliver a good program. Paula Dean's show was high in ratings. She was an amazing *** cook. Who cares if you don't agree with her stance on African-Americans. I wasn't watching Paula Dean's show to listen to her political views i was watching her show for fattening recipes. People need to come to this actualization that everyone has different views and opinions. Just because certain opinions are a little more ignorant than others, doesn't give any group the right to publicly scrutinize them. Freedom of speech is a two way street, you are a hypocrite and more importantly a bigot if you can't understand that. Seriously all the *** gay supporters clamming down programs like this act like conservatives are out to perform Matthew Shepard part II. LGBT in this country need to put the poor victim card away in this country, it's getting ridiculous and embarrassing. When someone displays or voices their opinion, it's open to public scrutiny. Freedom of speech doesn't apply they way you think it does, and have repeatedly corrected by how it does. When you open your mouth and remove all doubt that what you said was foolish or ignorant, intelligent or witty, people are going to form their own opinion, just as Paula Dean shared hers with the viewing audience, regardless of how deliciously fattening her recipes may have been, it sparked an outrage that the people had just as much of a right to respond with. It wasn't the government that censored what she said, it was the broadcasting company and the execs who hired her, that had to cancel her show, or face public backlash, lose endorsements, etc. Essentially, voicing an opinion that was in direct violation of corporate profitability, and that offended the viewers. Great way to stand up and defend bigotry, as long as you personally like her recipes. Nope, no hypocrisy here, folks. So you would support the decision if it were a member of the LGBT community who were fired for their lifestyle, like an actor who was flamboyantly gay, as it might have offended viewers and effected corporate profitability? You're going to great lengths with non-definitive terms like "might have" versus actually offending people with racist ***, or direct anti-LGBT views and actions being made public. Being gay, or their private lifestyle are not acceptable or legal reasons to fire anyone.
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You realize the corporation would face consequences for firing someone high profile based on race/sexual orientation yeah? If you sign a contract to be a stereotypical 'leading man' (white, straight, sex appeal) and then you come out as gay you're probably going to get fired bro.
The point is that Paula Deen had been a big brand in the world of cooking/food and she decided to spoil that by making racist comments. You'd think a handler would have sat her down and taught her that if she wants to keep bankrolling money she should shut the *** up about blacks and keep talking about sticks of butter going into a heated pan. Bahamut.Baconwrap said: » Really? I'm gay and you are? Please enlighten me how you are less ignorant in gay topics than a gay man. I'm also older than most of the gays in this forum. Sorry but this is when I bust out the Whoopi Goldberg The View black card. you also fail to address why other groups are given carte blanche to demand removal/boycott anything gay. seems to me that the only thing people are doing is using the tools commonly used against gays against their "oppressors". oh these poor conservatives were fired for their religion, not for their actions! 'As leader of OSA, Benham has condemned the interfaith Sandy Hook memorial, protested in front of mosques while shouting “Jesus Hates Muslims” and blamed the Aurora shooting on the Democratic Party, which he said promotes a “culture of death.” He has also protested LGBT pride events, interrupted church services during a sermon by “sodomite Episcopalian bishop” Gene Robinson and was found “guilty of stalking a Charlotte abortion doctor after passing out hundreds of ‘wanted’ posters with the physician's name and photo on it.” OSA* even blamed the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on abortion rights' bolding mine for emphasis since you just keep seeming to ignore it no matter how often it is repeated. hot damn, there sure seems to be more to this than those poor boys are being picked on for being Christian! (sauce: the original article which brought this to HGTV and the public's attention - http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/hgtv-picks-anti-gay-anti-choice-extremists-new-reality-tv-show ) Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: » You realize the corporation would face consequences for firing someone high profile based on race/sexual orientation yeah? If you sign a contract to be a stereotypical 'leading man' (white, straight, sex appeal) and then you come out as gay you're probably going to get fired bro. The point is that Paula Deen had been a big brand in the world of cooking/food and she decided to spoil that by making racist comments. You'd think a handler would have sat her down and taught her that if she wants to keep bankrolling money she should shut the *** up about blacks and keep talking about sticks of butter going into a heated pan. Phoenix.Ragmar said: » So you would support the decision if it were a member of the LGBT community who were fired for their lifestyle, like an actor who was flamboyantly gay, as it might have offended viewers and effected corporate profitability? No... because as people seem to have a hard time understanding these people did NOT get fired cause they where "Christian" (I use the term loosely). They where fired cause they actively expressed and involved them selves in offending "several" communities. Now if you rework what you said to be closer to the actually cause of the show's shut down e.g." A gay person stood up and said I'm gay and I hate Christians, Muslims, Catholics etc etc..." Then yes I would support there show being shut down. Which is exactly what happened here. It's also a direct violation of the law to fire someone for their religious beliefs! And how offended were people that these guys were pro-christian? This FFXIAH.com topic was the first I had heard of it. Were there marches and rallies? There were MANY people offended when "Will and Grace" was first aired. If they had been cancelled because of public outrage that there were openly gay people on a sitcom, that would have been wrong too! Cake and eating it too.
another fun fact, you CAN in fact legally be fired for being gay in 29 states, whereas religion is protected nationwide. that's the whole purpose behind ENDA, so can we quit pretending that gay people are somehow more protected than the religious now, mmmkay?
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Phoenix.Ragmar said: » It's also a direct violation of the law to fire someone for their religious beliefs! And how offended were people that these guys were pro-christian? This FFXIAH.com topic was the first I had heard of it. Were there marches and rallies? There were MANY people offended when "Will and Grace" was first aired. If they had been cancelled because of public outrage that there were openly gay people on a sitcom, that would have been wrong too! Cake and eating it too. fillerbunny9 said: » another fun fact, you CAN in fact legally be fired for being gay in 29 states, whereas religion is protected nationwide. that's the whole purpose behind ENDA, so can we quit pretending that gay people are somehow more protected than the religious now, mmmkay? Would love to read it. Phoenix.Ragmar said: » It's also a direct violation of the law to fire someone for their religious beliefs! And how offended were people that these guys were pro-christian? This FFXIAH.com topic was the first I had heard of it. Were there marches and rallies? There were MANY people offended when "Will and Grace" was first aired. If they had been cancelled because of public outrage that there were openly gay people on a sitcom, that would have been wrong too! Cake and eating it too. If your religious beliefs are expressed as hatred towards others you should be shitcanned as these guys were. You're on a channel that attracts a large LBGT population and you're openly virulent towards this group? Right, go pitch your show to CBN and maybe it'll get picked up there. Many sitcoms have been ahead of their time like Will and Grace. Shows like All in the Family and the Jeffersons. None of these shows peddled hate moreso did their job of showing the audience the disgusting nature of bigotry through characters like Archie or George or that gay people aren't much different than a heterosexual. These were constructive programs designed to intellectually challenge the audience. There is nothing constructive in yet another bunch of tired Christian hatemongers fixated on homosexuality.
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Perhaps some of you have never heard of Three's Company.
It was a show about a man pretending to be gay, while being straight. Also, when it came to Will and Grace, many people protested and tried to boycott the show, and have others do the same. It backfired because people would tune in to see what was so offensive about it, generating even more ratings.
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » fillerbunny9 said: » another fun fact, you CAN in fact legally be fired for being gay in 29 states, whereas religion is protected nationwide. that's the whole purpose behind ENDA, so can we quit pretending that gay people are somehow more protected than the religious now, mmmkay? Would love to read it. you betcha: http://outandequal.org/enda http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/firedforbeinggay.asp like the snopes article says, there may be limited protections in the aforementioned states, but they do not cover all employees in the state. additionally, if your employer has a non-discrimination policy based on sexual orientation, they would be subject to litigation. |
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