Bubble Trouble: A Geomancer Guide

Thanks for your input.
I did see keeping the JSE neck on fulltime mentioned before and that's what I had in mind for the next try too. What you say confirms it even more so that's probably what I'm gonna try.
I felt like I was generating tp much faster by casting spells rather than pure meleeing anyway so it shouldn't be much of a loss to replace the null loop.

R15 Idris does really well on damage, though obviously more expensive than other options.

I also melee with Idris for same reasons.

Anyone have ws set for fast blade II they wanna share?

How much potential does geo have DDing, solo or in groups?

I'm a RDM main and thought I'd play GEO next. If I get Idris, I like the idea of being about to cap haste with indi-haste, but yeah just wondering how maxientius or idris performs along with dw options and if you can find gear to accomodate fast tp like malignance or if such sets don't exist for geo. I feel like a few seats from googling used nyame for tp, though I assumed that's most for WSing.

Anyhow, curious about how damage compares too with other jobs, common WS and if spells are used.

depends what you're trying to pull off solo.
with SAM roll, I can solo the C shard objective while everyone else is off doing other ones. I prefer having our bard with me, so we can kill the boot too if it's nearby, but some days we have to bring an alt instead.
For party DMG, I'd say I peak around 10% of our dmg just spamming judgment to keep the other WSs from building resistance. If I didn't have a decked out WHM on my character as well, i'd make Lorg Mor and see if I could get another 2~4%.
I use aeonic r15, but Maxentius would do fine, especially in places where you don't have to worry about WS walling alongside a RDM also spamming Black halo. I'd say as far as DPS clubs are concerne it's likely Lorg Mor > aeonic r15 > unity r15 > cath palug > maxentius > idris r15
if you can just spam black halo, maxentius should move up two ranks.

next, for TP generation:
nuking is typically the fastest way to get TP. one thundara III will typically get you over 1k with sam roll. think stonara III can get 500tp or so. I typically do to -ra3 per WS and just melee for the rest using the lowest cost spell that's up.
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merlinic: occult acumen augs

melee tp & dual wield sets:
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*i gave priority of keeping the luopan alive more over a bit of double attack from nyame but af/relic need +4 to get physical accuracy, prior to that i'd say to just use nyame anyway.

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*um, i seem to have some MASSIVE accuracy issues on my tpbonus offhand for some reason. with these swaps and stewpot, I can typically get over 90% overall accuracy against Aita and close to cap everywhere else.

did you try the onion sword and see how that went? Just curious :)

Badly I would say, given that geo has no sword skill.

GEO DPS is considered to be the lowest of any standard group. It's a contribution nonetheless, but it's far behind RDM, and a bit behind BRD since likely it would be using Black Halo or Judgment vs Savage Blade (and BRD gets better gear than GEO). That aside, it can still add things like Box Steps, Stun if /DRK (helpful on a couple of Sortie Bosses), and it can cast for TP instantly with an Occult Acumen set, which is quite handy. I've hit a 60k Judgment on Normal Aminon at 3k TP before, so you can deal respectable numbers just by building the proper sets and running the correct buffs.

Honestly, I don't think GEO is in a good spot right now and its utility has been reduced to a few instances where it's really needed. The same applies for its DPS options.

Solo, you probably won't enjoy it much. It's very very subjob dependant and it's not the most fun for either melee or magic dpsing. (just try it in ody gaol and you'll see how limited you feel) Since you come from RDM which is quite versatile... you might find it pretty boring to be honest.

In party, the main issue comes from the fact that lots of newer content don't really use GEO because the bubbles are nerfed pretty much everywhere nowadays and the luopan management really sucks when there's too much running around involved (segs, limbus,...).

Now there's a few instances where it's still very useful and enjoyable. For example, i do like being geo on 9boss sortie runs. And on fights like Aminon, it can really provide good dps competing with brd or rdm. But i feel like it has become the exception rather than the rule.

Respectfully, I don't agree with this at all. GEO is used for pretty much ALL Gaol Bosses (I struggle to find at least one V25 where you don't use GEO at all in 1KI fights, definitely used in a 2KI setup). It's not used for Segments (a travelling event), but it is used for Sortie, which is 10x as much traveling as Segments. It fits into a mage setup strat as well as a melee strat, and is necessary for Kiting strats. Limbus? Man, this content is literally kill 4-5 trash fodder at 130 and warp up. There's no reason you can't place a bubble at the spot where pull to kill them, and then dismiss the luopan. We have no idea how the NM update will shake things up, but GEO is not being left out of Limbus because it's a "traveling" event, lol...

Now like I said, the DPS from GEO is nothing to write home about, and I do agree that it can be "boring" (you're doing very little in fights like Bumba, for example), but I would argue GEO has solidified a "necessary" spot in most group content nowadays. It's not on BRD/COR level, but it's right around the RDM spot (it outright replaces RDM in some Gaol comps), just with far less tools to compete. It's pretty much always used in Ambuscade unless Geomancy is explicitly nerfed, but then you can still use Buffing bubbles for the party. GEO has not fallen off recently, it's just left out of Segments (Master Trials). That's about it.

My current preferred kalunga strat does not use a geo for 1 KI. We've found it significantly better to drop the geo for a blu (additional DPS) because of hate issues with just 1 DPS, brd, cor.

Yes, you're totally right about that. I didn't fully develop what I had in mind.
I wrote what I said with the context of being a good dps in mind. And while GEO is indeed used in pretty much every ody fight, I think that for 90% of them it's just cast bubble and stand there for 15 mins. Just hit the bolster button once. So while you're definitely contributing to the fight with your bubbles, you're really not doing much else which often doesn't feel much satisfying (even on the support side).

For gaol fights specifically geo can only contribute blunt dmg, which is just not that common. That's why it is not used for dps in gaol.

On bumba geo can contribute 10% dmg, which is the difference between winning a V20 bumba and not winning it.

Yeah, it's definitely the most boring job for Odyssey fights, especially since at V25 there's so much weapon resistance, or they just aren't very good nukers while bolster is down. I'd say it is the easiest job to play and the least complex. You get a little bit of action as GEO in Sortie with more to do (can solo A, OA > WS, Stun/Absorb-TP/Aspir endless MP etc).

edit - yeah what Dodik said

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