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By Ifrit.Dinarii 2009-07-17 14:45:12
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Motokosun said:
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dont /nin.

This, times a million. /NIN stopped being useful at about LV50 if you're going pure DD.


Also need to know gun has an added hidden Racc bonus making it possible to switch out some of those Racc equips for Str/Ratt equips.


RNG forever and this is news to me. and this is a gear thread not a bow v xbow v gun thread.

for me, its gun for zerg only. bow/xbow for everything else
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2009-07-17 14:49:57
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Imola said:
Also another missing piece is the type food you eat.
Sole Sushi gives you added STR and range accuracy. Squid gives you added AGI and range accuracy. I usually intake sole sushi for good dmg, and not miss so much.

But you can go fancy and go with Dragon Soup that gives you a huge amount of STR and Range ATTACK% but you will miss quite often so instead of stacking STR range attack you'll want to stack on range accuracy gears, and hopes for Prelude. But I gaurantee your weapon skill if you hit will get you killed lol..


Pot-Au-Feu is a dish i get commisioned to cook quite a bit from rangers. its a good balance of RACC and RATT like pizza for ranged attacks
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By Odin.Ahligieri 2009-07-17 14:51:47
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I honestly don't see where some people are getting at when they say /war with staff, no racc rings, and meat and you're still accurate on Sidewinder. That situation takes a huge loss of ranged accuracy if you take into account:

Rings - up to 24 ranged acc loss there.
/WAR - most likely using staff so the loss depends on what you're dual wielding as /NIN.
Meat - loss of 15% ranged accuracy by not using Sole Sushi.

Also taking into account Sidewinder isn't the most accurate WS.

I have RNG 75 with 8/8 archery, and I don't think I'd ever fulltime STR rings as /WAR eating meat.

Am I missing something? What mobs are you guys fighting under these conditions?
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By Kujata.Houshisama 2009-07-17 17:07:57
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Motokosun said:
Enternius said:
Houshisama said:
dont /nin.

This, times a million. /NIN stopped being useful at about LV50 if you're going pure DD.


This is rediculous. I am rng/nin only and i am still workin on final merits and still have a few pieces of gear to pick up. That being said i pull hate as Rng/Nin on pretty much every mob i fight, be it merit birds to high defense/phys immune. If i was to go anything other then /nin it would be /sam so i could try for atleast one more WS before i die.

The only time /war works is if your to gimp to pull hate as /nin and need that extra power.

I know your title read "with bow" But theres only so far a Bow can take you unless you get Relic Bow. Honestly get yourself a hellfire+1, some silver bullets and watch that damage jump to the next level. Also need to know gun has an added hidden Racc bonus making it possible to switch out some of those Racc equips for Str/Ratt equips. And/or depending on setup makes eating meat a great food option to Racc food.

Nedit: I should be fair and say /war does work great if you are killing fast enough that it has doughnuts before you do.
If you have never tried out a Gun then i strongly suggest doing so.


lol..... NOT MERIT PT
he was talking about dynamis and actually being able to do damage?
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-07-17 17:10:39
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Houshisama said:
Motokosun said:
Enternius said:
Houshisama said:
dont /nin.

This, times a million. /NIN stopped being useful at about LV50 if you're going pure DD.


This is rediculous. I am rng/nin only and i am still workin on final merits and still have a few pieces of gear to pick up. That being said i pull hate as Rng/Nin on pretty much every mob i fight, be it merit birds to high defense/phys immune. If i was to go anything other then /nin it would be /sam so i could try for atleast one more WS before i die.

The only time /war works is if your to gimp to pull hate as /nin and need that extra power.

I know your title read "with bow" But theres only so far a Bow can take you unless you get Relic Bow. Honestly get yourself a hellfire+1, some silver bullets and watch that damage jump to the next level. Also need to know gun has an added hidden Racc bonus making it possible to switch out some of those Racc equips for Str/Ratt equips. And/or depending on setup makes eating meat a great food option to Racc food.

Nedit: I should be fair and say /war does work great if you are killing fast enough that it has doughnuts before you do.
If you have never tried out a Gun then i strongly suggest doing so.


lol..... NOT MERIT PT
he was talking about dynamis and actually being able to do damage?

Even in merits, /WAR is better. Instead of having to worry about your safety, now you can one-shot the Colibri and keep everyone safe. Faster exp, less MP used, and higher chains. What's not to like?
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-17 17:11:49
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Ashman said:
Pot-Au-Feu is a dish i get commisioned to cook quite a bit from rangers. its a good balance of RACC and RATT like pizza for ranged attacks


Yeah, I make that for our RNG ls member, he's happy with it so far
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By Asura.Vespera 2009-07-17 17:14:56
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Would it be considered unreasonable to not bother firing Sidewinder until A) Had at least a good 30-50% extra if not more TP above 100% aided to assure contact or B) Assuming you're meriting, to not fire until it is guaranteed to be the killshot for enmity sake?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-07-17 17:18:02
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I've tanked on rng... actually I oftened ended up being the tank on rng till lvl 40 when I stopped. So /nin was useful. Also if you can't pull hate with just ranged attacks no melee or ws... um well not sure what to say. I always did even with thfs in pt good tanks and -emnity merits.
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By Carbuncle.Cianti 2009-07-17 17:23:09
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I love /sam for meditate and its more balanced.. for a zerg /war is definately much better.

/nin would be good only with a kraken club
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-17 17:23:26
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Dasva said:
Also if you can't pull hate with just ranged attacks no melee or ws... um well not sure what to say. I always did even with thfs in pt good tanks and -emnity merits.


Yeah...it's always seemed damn easy for RNG's I've partied with to take hate.

The mark of a good RNG (in my opinion) is the one that DOESN'T, or at least, the one that doesn't *** and cry and complain when they do after they drop 3k+ in WS damage in like 5 seconds...yeah ok, blame the NIN for that ***LOL
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-07-17 17:25:13
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I'm interested in.
Motokosun said:

Also need to know gun has an added hidden Racc bonus making it possible to switch out some of those Racc equips for Str/Ratt equips.

Where did this come from?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-07-17 17:43:30
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Cianti said:
I love /sam for meditate and its more balanced.. for a zerg /war is definately much better.

/nin would be good only with a kraken club

What about merc kris.... with the rngs decent dag skill compared to the lol club skill might be faster tp.
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Dasva said:
Also if you can't pull hate with just ranged attacks no melee or ws... um well not sure what to say. I always did even with thfs in pt good tanks and -emnity merits.


Yeah...it's always seemed damn easy for RNG's I've partied with to take hate.

The mark of a good RNG (in my opinion) is the one that DOESN'T, or at least, the one that doesn't *** and cry and complain when they do after they drop 3k+ in WS damage in like 5 seconds...yeah ok, blame the NIN for that ***LOL

Hence why I subbed nin. No crying from me. Especially when I had more evasion gear then the nins... lol made for some interesting pts I tell you.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-07-17 17:49:08
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Dasva said:
Cianti said:
I love /sam for meditate and its more balanced.. for a zerg /war is definately much better.

/nin would be good only with a kraken club

What about merc kris.... with the rngs decent dag skill compared to the lol club skill might be faster tp.

Just get more acc!
and...why /nin for kclub? are you going to be dualing Kclub with Blau or some crazy ***?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-07-17 17:50:57
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Ludoggy said:
Dasva said:
Cianti said:
I love /sam for meditate and its more balanced.. for a zerg /war is definately much better.

/nin would be good only with a kraken club

What about merc kris.... with the rngs decent dag skill compared to the lol club skill might be faster tp.

Just get more acc!
and...why /nin for kclub? are you going to be dualing Kclub with Blau or some crazy ***?

idk cause rng gets like no shield maybe to put some ratt on a weapon maybe cause the crazy hate youll take.... and overcoming a E rating skill is stupid. Especially if your trying to wear some haste...
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By Hades.Medjai 2009-07-17 18:04:25
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Kindle said:

Weapon: Fire Staff + Axe Grip, Fransisca + Hawker's Knife
Range: Vali's bow + Demon Arrows
Head: Wyvern helm
Neck: Hope Torq.
Earring: Bushinomimi + Vision Earring
Body: Mirke (Range attack +10, Snap shot +5)
Hands: Hunter's bracers +1
Rings: Behemoth Ringx2
Back: Amemet mantle +1
Waist: Royal Knight's belt
Legs: Scout's Braccae
Feet: Scout's socks
Archery : 290 (7/8 Archery merits)
Thank you.

heres the gear you should you weather it be TP or WS ill put WS in ()
Vulcan's Staff + Axe grip
Vali's bow + Kabura arrows (PPA WS)
Hellfire+1 or if your lucky Culverin+ Silver Bullets Cannon Shells
Wyvern Helm or the Moogle addon helm with STR ranged acc+ranged acc/ranged att
Hope torque(Breeze Gorget WS)
Bushi/triumph earring
Mirke (osode/mirke if you dont have osode)
CFG/BFG/Skote
Rajas/FlameX2 if you dont have a rajas /triumph ring x2 is you have the money and dont have flame ring or rajas/ Jalzahn's Ring is nice also mixxed in with a STR ring
Amemet +1 all the way
Potent can out due NQ RK belt but not RK belt +2 in the right areas, Buccaneers is best for both WS and TP if you care about hate if you dont Scouts belt is the best for both WS and TP
Scouts Braccae (if you lucky with ZNM drops Hachiryu but Gl with that)
Scouts Socks
and of course /WAR > any other sub for RNG
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By Asura.Artemicion 2009-07-17 18:21:56
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Medjai said:
heres the gear you should you weather it be TP or WS ill put WS in ()
Vulcan's Staff + Axe grip
Vali's bow + Kabura arrows (PPA WS)
Hellfire+1 or if your lucky Culverin+ Silver Bullets Cannon Shells
Wyvern Helm or the Moogle addon helm with STR ranged acc+ranged acc/ranged att
Hope torque(Breeze Gorget WS)
Bushi/triumph earring
Mirke (osode/mirke if you dont have osode)
CFG/BFG/Skote
Rajas/FlameX2 if you dont have a rajas /triumph ring x2 is you have the money and dont have flame ring or rajas/ Jalzahn's Ring is nice also mixxed in with a STR ring
Amemet +1 all the way
Potent can out due NQ RK belt but not RK belt +2 in the right areas, Buccaneers is best for both WS and TP if you care about hate if you dont Scouts belt is the best for both WS and TP
Scouts Braccae (if you lucky with ZNM drops Hachiryu but Gl with that)
Scouts Socks
and of course /WAR > any other sub for RNG


WSing only when Unlimited Shot is up is pretty lulzy, even if you do cap it's recast via merits. Besides, the attack down via demon arrows from TPing is truly more useful than silence is, unless of course you're fighting a mage, but that's nothing a good RDM can't do themselves.
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By Hades.Medjai 2009-07-17 18:23:18
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the dmg frfom kabura is higher which increases your DMG for your WS and attack down on most mobs is pointless unless its a HNM or something anyways and you can also ws in kabura just said PPA because of the 40 ranged att lol
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By Asura.Artemicion 2009-07-17 18:27:22
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Well that's what I was getting at. Unless you can make your own, Demon arrows are more friendly to TP in for those who buy their ammo, and also has slightly more benefits aside from the DMG difference. IMO one should WS in kabura and WS with PPA when Unlimited Shot is up.
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By Bahamut.Etrayis 2009-07-17 18:28:50
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Motokosun said:


This is rediculous. I am rng/nin only and i am still workin on final merits and still have a few pieces of gear to pick up. That being said i pull hate as Rng/Nin on pretty much every mob i fight, be it merit birds to high defense/phys immune. If i was to go anything other then /nin it would be /sam so i could try for atleast one more WS before i die.

The only time /war works is if your to gimp to pull hate as /nin and need that extra power.

I know your title read "with bow" But theres only so far a Bow can take you unless you get Relic Bow. Honestly get yourself a hellfire+1, some silver bullets and watch that damage jump to the next level. Also need to know gun has an added hidden Racc bonus making it possible to switch out some of those Racc equips for Str/Ratt equips. And/or depending on setup makes eating meat a great food option to Racc food.

Nedit: I should be fair and say /war does work great if you are killing fast enough that it has doughnuts before you do.
If you have never tried out a Gun then i strongly suggest doing so.

If you pull hate on every single mob you fight, especially as /nin, you are just another stupid *** rng that pisses off the healers. If you can't manage not firing off a WS during the pull, then just stop playing this game please.

PS: I am speaking in meripo btw.
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By Hades.Medjai 2009-07-17 18:29:23
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true but im just going with the best AH/craft gear you can outside of the obvious gear thats R/E and such i like my extra 25 dmg on kabura during the TP phase
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-07-17 18:30:14
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Yeah...not everyone is willing to spend 14k per stack of arrows to tp it all away.
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By Bahamut.Etrayis 2009-07-17 18:31:34
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Xxnumbertwoxx said:


Yeah...it's always seemed damn easy for RNG's I've partied with to take hate.

The mark of a good RNG (in my opinion) is the one that DOESN'T

This is a statement of pure fact.
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By Hades.Medjai 2009-07-17 18:31:56
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i made my own but i know what you mean and if they not willing to spend 14k THEN DONT LVL RNG XD lol kidding
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-07-17 18:37:09
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Etrayis said:
Xxnumbertwoxx said:


Yeah...it's always seemed damn easy for RNG's I've partied with to take hate.

The mark of a good RNG (in my opinion) is the one that DOESN'T

This is a statement of pure fact.

Or you could ride the line and /nin and still not take dmg...
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By Alexander.Pakalolo 2009-07-17 19:01:07
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Buy this bow -->> http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=17205

Do this --->>>>>> http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ellylldan

With your body piece and merits in snapshot, you should be ok.
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By Hades.Medjai 2009-07-17 19:03:12
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Pakalolo said:
Buy this bow -->> http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=17205

Do this --->>>>>> http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ellylldan

With your body piece and merits in snapshot, you should be ok.

doing that would make him weaker thden using Valis ebow has +23 Ranged attack the bow would need to give you +15 STR to make up for the ranged attack and STR from Valis bow
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By Alexander.Ashleylarry 2009-07-17 19:05:55
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Guess you failed to see what paka is saying , its ok...take the gendowa and use the augs from the annm +6str +14 rng attk thats an ebow with higher base damage.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-07-17 19:07:55
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564(at the best)-600 delay...thats kind of big
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By Hades.Medjai 2009-07-17 19:09:31
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Medjai said:
Pakalolo said:
Buy this bow -->> http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=17205

Do this --->>>>>> http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ellylldan

With your body piece and merits in snapshot, you should be ok.

doing that would make him weaker thden using Valis ebow has +23 Ranged attack the bow would need to give you +15 STR to make up for the ranged attack and STR from Valis bow

im talking pure WS dmg on this btw but tp you would still be better off with Valis
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-07-17 19:10:52
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tp in merc kris/kclub!!! ws in culverin!!!