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 Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-06-14 12:02:46
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Siren.Mosin said: »
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I probably need to know more about construction projects than I do... but it seems like one of the most innefecient professions... nothing ever seems to get done on time... everything always seems to run over the bid... and it's just so damn inconvenient until its done lol...

weeeeelllllll sir. I can tell you a little. a lot of it stems from owners/engineers unrealistic completion times, & chicken-***general contractors who won't say "no, x is not possible, it can be done in y"
but even that isn't all of the problem, as I'm sure Zah will tell you, some GC (general contractor) will tell the owner/architect that something can be done in a certain amount of time, then "O ***, it looks like thats 15' of rock and not 15' of dirt, instead of a month, it's gonna be a year & a half" O.o

I guess the main point is, the work is never easy, & rarely goes the way it's supposed to. compound that with general stupidity & the potential to make or lose money, & it becomes a living, breathing monster that just runs its course & you'll be damned lucky to get away with your ***.

that about some it up from the architects side as well zah?

lmao

Pretty much. Basically, it's always a back and forth and back and forth among every party involved. Alterations and the approval of alterations (/shudders) among ARCHs, Engineers, and GCs can back up projects, or just become an all out cluster-***. It's nice when communication among everyone is flows fluidly, but there's always someone (sub or GC drama mostly) who *** up then passes blame, leaving the rest of us banging our heads. You wouldn't believe how many addenda can be added!

Something as simplistic as HVAC needing to be put elsewhere needs approval from each party involved. It's annoying when you assume the simplicity of symmetry as far as the aesthetics won't be ousted, but when it's necessary it has to be done (and will piss me off accordingly).

Basically, it's just like a bureaucracy in itself. Don't get me started on state jobs and HUBs!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-06-14 12:03:04
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that really chaps my ***. If I *** something up, I'll be the first to admit it.
It's money man... though I have seen people take a hit to preserve a business relationship...
it's more than money. I will have to do business around here for another 50 years or so. I will have a much easier time when people know I hold the value of truth above money. how bad do you want to work with someone you know will *** you over for 5$?
I'm talking millions though... and like I've said I've seen some take the fall to preserve the relationship...
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-06-14 12:04:02
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With the way my room is organized, I doubt I can put a treadmill facing the way of my TV (not enough width space, maybe)

My room is too cramped for me lol It's mostly my Full size bed that takes up too much space. I want a new bed but I plan on going to Japan next year and I doubt I would want to spend money on an extra bed for a year =(
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By Siren.Mosin 2012-06-14 12:06:10
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I work with contracts ranging from $500 to 6.5 million, just for instance, this year.

again, it's not all about the $$$
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-06-14 12:11:06
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AND THE LAWSUITS!!! Oh how fun it is when everything comes to a halt because a sub is suing the GC and the GC is counter-suing the sub, or visa-versa.

Gives me a warm tingling feeling! :)

Not really. >:
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By Siren.Mosin 2012-06-14 12:12:55
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AND THE LAWSUITS!!! Oh how fun it is when everything comes to a halt because a sub is suing the GC and the GC is counter-suing the sub, or visa-versa. Gives me a warm tingling feeling! :) Not really. >:

O hell yes!

I could tell you a story.....
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-06-14 12:18:34
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I work with contracts ranging from $500 to 6.5 million, just for instance, this year. again, it's not all about the $$$
It is though... I mean even if you talk in terms of relationships... you keep those relationships because they bring in cashflow... you take the hit to keep that relationship alive... what's losing a mil when they give you 2.5... business is business...
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-06-14 12:19:57
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AND THE LAWSUITS!!! Oh how fun it is when everything comes to a halt because a sub is suing the GC and the GC is counter-suing the sub, or visa-versa. Gives me a warm tingling feeling! :) Not really. >:

O hell yes!

I could tell you a story.....

This state got raped by CA and NV investors when things went bust for those dummies. I've seen a lot of fall out, and I've only been working here since the tail-end of Summer 2008. (When everything went to ***! :))

Life: You graduated! You got a job! Here's our little gift from economy to you!

/hands over a steaming turd
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-06-14 12:24:07
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/whispers

I think we bore the kiddos.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-06-14 12:25:38
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/whispers I think we bore the kiddos.
lol I think its all fair game for when I have to hear them talk about soccer or LoL...
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2012-06-14 12:25:42
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tl;dr
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-06-14 12:28:07
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Quote:
hear them talk about soccer
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By Siren.Mosin 2012-06-14 12:29:15
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I work with contracts ranging from $500 to 6.5 million, just for instance, this year. again, it's not all about the $$$
It is though... I mean even if you talk in terms of relationships... you keep those relationships because they bring in cashflow... you take the hit to keep that relationship alive... what's losing a mil when they give you 2.5... business is business...

touche'

kind of my point though. you'll do better with a honorable methodology than the latter, wheather you measure that by money made, or your reputation as a reliable, honest businessman. I think we're on the same page here.

although, you make it hard to tell sometimes flav. hehehe
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-06-14 12:29:20
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/whispers I think we bore the kiddos.
lol I think its all fair game for when I have to hear them talk about soccer or LoL...

Could be worse. It could be non-stop Pokemon and all that stuff. :/
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2012-06-14 12:30:31
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/whispers I think we bore the kiddos.
lol I think its all fair game for when I have to hear them talk about soccer or LoL...

Could be worse. It could be non-stop Pokemon and all that stuff. :/
Hah! Pokemon! I'm a little old for Pokemon.

Digimon is more like it!!
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By Siren.Mosin 2012-06-14 12:30:43
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/whispers I think we bore the kiddos.

lmao, yeah we are.

I'll cut it out now.

so hows about them boobs/anime/lunch?
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-06-14 12:30:51
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Zahrah: Give me around 2 weeks and you'll hear some new pokemon talk (That's around when I'll be getting my Japanese version of Pokemon White 2 lol)
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By Asura.Dominate 2012-06-14 12:31:59
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2012-06-14 12:33:26
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Yomi wants to be the very best; like no one ever was.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-06-14 12:33:43
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Siren.Mosin said: »
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I work with contracts ranging from $500 to 6.5 million, just for instance, this year. again, it's not all about the $$$
It is though... I mean even if you talk in terms of relationships... you keep those relationships because they bring in cashflow... you take the hit to keep that relationship alive... what's losing a mil when they give you 2.5... business is business...

touche'

kind of my point though. you'll do better with a honorable methodology than the latter, wheather you measure that by money made, or your reputation as a reliable, honest businessman. I think we're on the same page here.

although, you make it hard to tell sometimes flav. hehehe

We have two GCs and one MECHC that have been very reliable. We continually work with them, and pray that they win bids on our projects. They're solid!
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-06-14 12:34:13
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Boobs + anime + lunch?

I give you, Shaga from Ben-to!
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2012-06-14 12:35:12
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-06-14 12:36:39
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Siren.Mosin said: »
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I work with contracts ranging from $500 to 6.5 million, just for instance, this year. again, it's not all about the $$$
It is though... I mean even if you talk in terms of relationships... you keep those relationships because they bring in cashflow... you take the hit to keep that relationship alive... what's losing a mil when they give you 2.5... business is business...
touche' kind of my point though. you'll do better with a honorable methodology than the latter, wheather you measure that by money made, or your reputation as a reliable, honest businessman. I think we're on the same page here. although, you make it hard to tell sometimes flav. hehehe
Yeah I probably don't express myself well enough at times lol... There's a lot of things that come to mind too that I really can't talk about either lol...

I'd like to think everyone does business honorably... but in reality it's mostly about the money... There are still some out there though...

The other disconnect I think is that I deal a lot more with carriers rather than the businesses themselves...
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-06-14 12:37:00
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Oh look, It's Ludoggy.
/wave
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By Siren.Mosin 2012-06-14 12:37:17
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I have a couple mech engineers that will call me, mad, if I'm too high on a bid. saying "now I have to work with company x, damn you chris, you couldn't have done it cheaper?"

lolnope
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-06-14 12:39:38
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Man.. I'm trying to remember this person's name and I can not atm...
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-06-14 12:39:45
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I have a couple mech engineers that will call me, mad, if I'm too high on a bid. saying "now I have to work with company x, damn you chris, you couldn't have done it cheaper?"

lolnope

Everyone has their favorites!
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-06-14 12:40:33
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Man.. I'm trying to remember this person's name and I can not atm...

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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-06-14 12:42:17
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I have a couple mech engineers that will call me, mad, if I'm too high on a bid. saying "now I have to work with company x, damn you chris, you couldn't have done it cheaper?" lolnope
Part of my point right there... The guy wants to do business with you but won't because of the price... even if you provide better business...
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By Siren.Mosin 2012-06-14 12:42:41
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not to mention by the time anything makes it to arbitration, it's wholly out of my hands & into the lawyers. a world that I can't even feign any knowledge of.


/shrugg
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