Woolwich (Terror Attack) UK

Then I'd say he lost when he started slinging the word "liberal" as an insult to someone that's so far right he's nearly an anarchist.

Islam's got 99 problems and a suicide bomber ain't one of them?

Really? Are you even going to compare the number of terror attacks by religion? The number of deaths in the name of religion?

I'd consider myself a "conservative," but I'm not a Libertarian or anything... There are extremists on both sides of the aisle.

The fact is the overwhelming majority of "terror attacks" are perpetrated by a fringe element of one particular group, and that sadly causes some fallout for the remainder of said group that isn't involved... If 6'2" one-legged Japanese women were constantly bombing things, I think I'd be a little more wary every time I came across a 6'2" one-legged Japanese woman... Is that fair? Not really. Is it human nature? You bet.

And reality is? That Muslims are all terrorists? Possess some native quality towards terrorist acts? Should be looked upon with scorn? Are members of a faith that embraces outmoded traditions? Seems many Americans should quit throwing stones while living in a glass houses if that's the case.

There are countless problems with Islam right now: The religion needs to quickly bring itself into the 21st century with reforms, many people cling to the warmongering/conquest-driven mentality of the texts, young people who are disillusioned are being drawn to the flames of war caused by our previous bad acts in the West and those who follow the faith peacefully need to address the troublemakers in their own camp and quit making excuses for the extremists who murder and maim.

However, I think an important distinction be made between radical Islamists and your everyday halfass Muslim the same way I separate fundamentalist Christians from their halfass counterparts. To gloss over the distinctions is to arrive at the conclusion that everyone who happens to follow Islam is a potential terrorist and thus need to be scrutinized or ostracized from society in an internment camps.

I don't care to repeat what we did to the Japanese during WWII.

So yes, we're going to make distinctions because the holier than thou Religious Right can't wait to sink their teeth into another holy war.

Whoa... who talked about bringing in nukes? lol...

Japanese internment camps.

Says the guy that pops into every religious debate to proclaim that we all hate Christianity. Just admit it, you hate all Muslims. It's like soooo obvious.

Ahhh my bad... won't happen anyways...

And right there is the point I was making. No one said anything like this, in bold. Radical Islam, muslim extremist, political Islam; no one even suggested all Muslims are terrorists.

Please tell me, what term can be used to describe extreme Muslims that murder people in the name of their religion without you thinking that we are somehow indicting an entire religion? Name it. People are so afraid to honestly admit the obvious fact that Muslim emtremists, jihadists are the root and basis for nearly every single terrorist attack that occurs on this planet on a daily basis just because people like you will be there ALL MUSLIMS AREN'T TERRORISTS.

Yeah we effing know that. Now can we honesty discuss this.

Agreed, but for this bit:


They really are not. There are plenty of other "extremists" or "fanatics" who are of a different religious creed, or some other very extreme "Freedom for my cause" view.

So by your logic, all Priests are pedophiles? WBC's views and demonstrations are shared by all Christians? Is that what you are telling us?

Um, no. Can you read?

Your right in that there are others. Right now most are of the extreme Islamic variety. There is nothing wrong with Islam in and of itself, Christianity had similar issues awhile back. The expressions of radical Islam are a direct result of those countries slowly opening to the world and information being spread. Their leaders are worried about losing control and thus push for a purer "hard line" amongst their people (politically connected and not) and use these displays to reassure their people that their "in control". It's the same as North Korea and all their provocations and loud saber rattling.

This will all boil over in another half century or so after the current generation dies out.

Very well, although reading your drivel has most certainly dropped my IQ by ~10%.

You can't blame the Muslim community because certain factions/individuals within that group are responsible for acts of terror/evil.

Religion, (in general) is a major problem, not just Islam. Do you have any idea how many people have been killed in the name of Jesus Christ and the christian God? Many many more than have been killed by Islamic terrorists. You do understand that history started before 2001 right?

Don't act like Islam is worse than any other religion...

Edit: I'm not defending the religion in the slightest btw. Religion is just a way for people without power to control the actions of people dumber than them.

I'm not seeing your endgame here.

Islam is motivation for many of the terrorist acts around the globe at the moment and that means what? There are deep anti-Western sentiments stemming from decades of intervention, economic instability, financial insecurity, lack of education, poverty and a religion that (overall) hasn't adapted to the values of the 21st century. We're basically dealing with a pre-Enlightenment Christianity in the modern age coming off a bad hand of geopolitics.

We label those who perpetuate terrorist acts as Islamic extremists and try to keep them separate from the people who (peacefully) follow the religion. It's clear you want to simply equate Islam with evil and then....????

I couldn't say it any better than this:

Facts:

1. What happened is disgusting, wrong and hideous.

2. Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil.
(Source)

3.Any ethnic or religious group will be, and have been, considered terrorists when they are resisting overwhelming force.

4. Hitler regularly gave public broadcasts referring to french resistance fighters as "Terrorists". Some US Newspapers actually echoed those sentiments before the US took a decisive stance against Germany.

5.The USA is in the middle east, the middle east is not in the USA. If you think people of any race or color are going to roll over and accept being another race's subjects, you need to read up on history.

6.The US and the Muslim world is no different than the Chinese and Tibet. All the Chinese want is for Tibet to accept Chinese dominance. Stupid Tibetan terrorists.