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Politicians/Media refuse "proudly gun free" sign
 Ragnarok.Blurrski
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By Ragnarok.Blurrski 2013-01-18 23:25:30
Ragnarok.Blurrski said: »like it was pointed out, times change and laws change. No matter how much people want it, or believe it, they dont have rights. Were all property of the united states government, and if they want us to jump, we just say how high ? or buck and go to jail.
edit: like it or lump it. there are other countries to live.
Rights shouldn't change, only grow.
People do have rights.
People are not property.
Not moving, and nice fallacy.
When you do something that gets you in trouble with the law, try telling them how you feel about the bill of rights and the constitution. See how far that gets you.
Last time I ever respond to you, youre *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-01-18 23:27:06
Rights shouldn't change, only grow.
People do have rights.
People are not property.
Not moving, and nice fallacy. Of course rights should change. Particularly, the US constitution. It was written in a different time.
Law should evolve along the same guidelines of life. Just as certain living things evolve or go extinct, so should laws. Even the original fathers of democracy, not the US ones, agreed law was derived from nature and rightfully so.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-01-18 23:29:03
Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »There was a lot of talk earlier about how if someone broke into your house, people would rather have a gun than wait for police, because the armed robber would kill you before the cops showed up.
The problem with that line of thinking is you're only thinking about people who are specifically coming into your house with the goal of killing you. A normal robber doesn't care one way or another about you, and certainly isn't going to go out of their way to kill you when all they want is an xbox they can sell. Someone who is just there to rob you will be frightened off by am alarm, by the sound of people home, etc. If there is an armed burglar in your house, you are also NOT under the obligation to face them in mortal combat.
Your job is to keep you and your family alive, not live out some John McClane fantasy where you snipe them before they get the draw on you. You hide, get in a safe place, and hide for the few minutes you need for police to arrive (assuming you don't have an alarm like you should and you had to call 911).
Thinking that a strange noise in the kitchen means it's your chance to finally gun-up and open fire at the shadowy figure in the dark is how those stories happen where the father shoots their kid who's sneaking in late after curfew.
But of course, the entire thought process of "a possible confrontation??? You better believe it's GUN TIME!" and an inability to consider more logical and reasonable outcomes is one of the major problems America is facing in the first place with this whole issue.
This is the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE line of thinking that I can imagine. I'm speechless.
Listen, you don't like guns. That's fine, that's how you feel. But if you can honestly tell me that someone breaks into your house and you give them the opportunity to see what their intentions are.. and not.. shoot them, or beat them down with a frying pan. You're an idiot.
Just an idiot.
What do you do if his panic reaction is to kill or seriously wound one of your family members. What do you do if he knew you had little girls and that's his thing? He didn't break into your house, he came for your kids? Do you see how the cards play out?
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:33:30
You're going to have to cite the exact part which states that the purpose of the representative democracy is to protect the rights of the minority. the bill of rights
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By Leviathan.Behemothx 2013-01-18 23:33:54
Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »There was a lot of talk earlier about how if someone broke into your house, people would rather have a gun than wait for police, because the armed robber would kill you before the cops showed up.
The problem with that line of thinking is you're only thinking about people who are specifically coming into your house with the goal of killing you. A normal robber doesn't care one way or another about you, and certainly isn't going to go out of their way to kill you when all they want is an xbox they can sell. Someone who is just there to rob you will be frightened off by am alarm, by the sound of people home, etc. If there is an armed burglar in your house, you are also NOT under the obligation to face them in mortal combat.
Your job is to keep you and your family alive, not live out some John McClane fantasy where you snipe them before they get the draw on you. You hide, get in a safe place, and hide for the few minutes you need for police to arrive (assuming you don't have an alarm like you should and you had to call 911).
Thinking that a strange noise in the kitchen means it's your chance to finally gun-up and open fire at the shadowy figure in the dark is how those stories happen where the father shoots their kid who's sneaking in late after curfew.
But of course, the entire thought process of "a possible confrontation??? You better believe it's GUN TIME!" and an inability to consider more logical and reasonable outcomes is one of the major problems America is facing in the first place with this whole issue.
This is the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE line of thinking that I can imagine. I'm speechless.
Listen, you don't like guns. That's fine, that's how you feel. But if you can honestly tell me that someone breaks into your house and you give them the opportunity to see what their intentions are.. and not.. shoot them, or beat them down with a frying pan. You're an idiot.
Just an idiot.
What do you do if his panic reaction is to kill or seriously wound one of your family members. What do you do if he knew you had little girls and that's his thing? He didn't break into your house, he came for your kids? Do you see how the cards play out?
Paranoia.
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:36:07
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Rights shouldn't change, only grow.
People do have rights.
People are not property.
Not moving, and nice fallacy. Of course rights should change. Particularly, the US constitution. It was written in a different time.
Law should evolve along the same guidelines of life. Just as certain living things evolve or go extinct, so should laws. Even the original fathers of democracy, not the US ones, agreed law was derived from nature and rightfully so. no, rights shouldn't "change" they should only increase.
the knowledge used to create the bill of rights is timeless.
we're a republic, our laws stem forth from the people, by the grace of the people, not to restrict them.
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:36:25
Leviathan.Behemothx said: »Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »There was a lot of talk earlier about how if someone broke into your house, people would rather have a gun than wait for police, because the armed robber would kill you before the cops showed up.
The problem with that line of thinking is you're only thinking about people who are specifically coming into your house with the goal of killing you. A normal robber doesn't care one way or another about you, and certainly isn't going to go out of their way to kill you when all they want is an xbox they can sell. Someone who is just there to rob you will be frightened off by am alarm, by the sound of people home, etc. If there is an armed burglar in your house, you are also NOT under the obligation to face them in mortal combat.
Your job is to keep you and your family alive, not live out some John McClane fantasy where you snipe them before they get the draw on you. You hide, get in a safe place, and hide for the few minutes you need for police to arrive (assuming you don't have an alarm like you should and you had to call 911).
Thinking that a strange noise in the kitchen means it's your chance to finally gun-up and open fire at the shadowy figure in the dark is how those stories happen where the father shoots their kid who's sneaking in late after curfew.
But of course, the entire thought process of "a possible confrontation??? You better believe it's GUN TIME!" and an inability to consider more logical and reasonable outcomes is one of the major problems America is facing in the first place with this whole issue.
This is the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE line of thinking that I can imagine. I'm speechless.
Listen, you don't like guns. That's fine, that's how you feel. But if you can honestly tell me that someone breaks into your house and you give them the opportunity to see what their intentions are.. and not.. shoot them, or beat them down with a frying pan. You're an idiot.
Just an idiot.
What do you do if his panic reaction is to kill or seriously wound one of your family members. What do you do if he knew you had little girls and that's his thing? He didn't break into your house, he came for your kids? Do you see how the cards play out?
Paranoia. reality
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-18 23:36:43
You're going to have to cite the exact part which states that the purpose of the representative democracy is to protect the rights of the minority. the bill of rights
Where is it stated?
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:37:18
You're going to have to cite the exact part which states that the purpose of the representative democracy is to protect the rights of the minority. the bill of rights
Where is it stated? in it's existence.
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By Leviathan.Behemothx 2013-01-18 23:37:45
Leviathan.Behemothx said: »Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »There was a lot of talk earlier about how if someone broke into your house, people would rather have a gun than wait for police, because the armed robber would kill you before the cops showed up.
The problem with that line of thinking is you're only thinking about people who are specifically coming into your house with the goal of killing you. A normal robber doesn't care one way or another about you, and certainly isn't going to go out of their way to kill you when all they want is an xbox they can sell. Someone who is just there to rob you will be frightened off by am alarm, by the sound of people home, etc. If there is an armed burglar in your house, you are also NOT under the obligation to face them in mortal combat.
Your job is to keep you and your family alive, not live out some John McClane fantasy where you snipe them before they get the draw on you. You hide, get in a safe place, and hide for the few minutes you need for police to arrive (assuming you don't have an alarm like you should and you had to call 911).
Thinking that a strange noise in the kitchen means it's your chance to finally gun-up and open fire at the shadowy figure in the dark is how those stories happen where the father shoots their kid who's sneaking in late after curfew.
But of course, the entire thought process of "a possible confrontation??? You better believe it's GUN TIME!" and an inability to consider more logical and reasonable outcomes is one of the major problems America is facing in the first place with this whole issue.
This is the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE line of thinking that I can imagine. I'm speechless.
Listen, you don't like guns. That's fine, that's how you feel. But if you can honestly tell me that someone breaks into your house and you give them the opportunity to see what their intentions are.. and not.. shoot them, or beat them down with a frying pan. You're an idiot.
Just an idiot.
What do you do if his panic reaction is to kill or seriously wound one of your family members. What do you do if he knew you had little girls and that's his thing? He didn't break into your house, he came for your kids? Do you see how the cards play out?
Paranoia. reality
Then move out of whatever hell hole you live in if that's reality for you.
By Kimble2013 2013-01-18 23:38:06
since the bill of rights was written back in the 1700s, we should just let people arm themselves with the weapons they had at the time.
People can own all the muskets they want!
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:38:45
Leviathan.Behemothx said: »Leviathan.Behemothx said: »Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »There was a lot of talk earlier about how if someone broke into your house, people would rather have a gun than wait for police, because the armed robber would kill you before the cops showed up.
The problem with that line of thinking is you're only thinking about people who are specifically coming into your house with the goal of killing you. A normal robber doesn't care one way or another about you, and certainly isn't going to go out of their way to kill you when all they want is an xbox they can sell. Someone who is just there to rob you will be frightened off by am alarm, by the sound of people home, etc. If there is an armed burglar in your house, you are also NOT under the obligation to face them in mortal combat.
Your job is to keep you and your family alive, not live out some John McClane fantasy where you snipe them before they get the draw on you. You hide, get in a safe place, and hide for the few minutes you need for police to arrive (assuming you don't have an alarm like you should and you had to call 911).
Thinking that a strange noise in the kitchen means it's your chance to finally gun-up and open fire at the shadowy figure in the dark is how those stories happen where the father shoots their kid who's sneaking in late after curfew.
But of course, the entire thought process of "a possible confrontation??? You better believe it's GUN TIME!" and an inability to consider more logical and reasonable outcomes is one of the major problems America is facing in the first place with this whole issue.
This is the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE line of thinking that I can imagine. I'm speechless.
Listen, you don't like guns. That's fine, that's how you feel. But if you can honestly tell me that someone breaks into your house and you give them the opportunity to see what their intentions are.. and not.. shoot them, or beat them down with a frying pan. You're an idiot.
Just an idiot.
What do you do if his panic reaction is to kill or seriously wound one of your family members. What do you do if he knew you had little girls and that's his thing? He didn't break into your house, he came for your kids? Do you see how the cards play out?
Paranoia. reality
Then move out of whatever hell hole you live in if that's reality for you. planet earth, last I checked, we can't move off the planet "yet."
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-18 23:38:56
You're going to have to cite the exact part which states that the purpose of the representative democracy is to protect the rights of the minority. the bill of rights
Where is it stated? in it's existence.
You realize the purpose of the bill of rights was to protect citizens against a tyrannical government, directly related to the colonists' desire to not repeat their stint with the tyrannical government of England. Right?
It has nothing to do with the rights of the minority vs. majority.
By Kimble2013 2013-01-18 23:39:11
You're going to have to cite the exact part which states that the purpose of the representative democracy is to protect the rights of the minority. the bill of rights
Where is it stated? in it's existence. 
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:39:29
since the bill of rights was written back in the 1700s, we should just let people arm themselves with the weapons they had at the time.
People can own all the muskets they want! or we can realize that at the time the citizens had better weapons than the military, and continue that tradition.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-01-18 23:40:15
Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »There was a lot of talk earlier about how if someone broke into your house, people would rather have a gun than wait for police, because the armed robber would kill you before the cops showed up.
The problem with that line of thinking is you're only thinking about people who are specifically coming into your house with the goal of killing you. A normal robber doesn't care one way or another about you, and certainly isn't going to go out of their way to kill you when all they want is an xbox they can sell. Someone who is just there to rob you will be frightened off by am alarm, by the sound of people home, etc. If there is an armed burglar in your house, you are also NOT under the obligation to face them in mortal combat.
Your job is to keep you and your family alive, not live out some John McClane fantasy where you snipe them before they get the draw on you. You hide, get in a safe place, and hide for the few minutes you need for police to arrive (assuming you don't have an alarm like you should and you had to call 911).
Thinking that a strange noise in the kitchen means it's your chance to finally gun-up and open fire at the shadowy figure in the dark is how those stories happen where the father shoots their kid who's sneaking in late after curfew.
But of course, the entire thought process of "a possible confrontation??? You better believe it's GUN TIME!" and an inability to consider more logical and reasonable outcomes is one of the major problems America is facing in the first place with this whole issue.
This is the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE line of thinking that I can imagine. I'm speechless.
Listen, you don't like guns. That's fine, that's how you feel. But if you can honestly tell me that someone breaks into your house and you give them the opportunity to see what their intentions are.. and not.. shoot them, or beat them down with a frying pan. You're an idiot.
Just an idiot.
What do you do if his panic reaction is to kill or seriously wound one of your family members. What do you do if he knew you had little girls and that's his thing? He didn't break into your house, he came for your kids? Do you see how the cards play out? He advocated a non-confrontational method to protecting a household which, depending on your situation, may be the more reasonable route to take. Isn't this entire debate boiled down to protecting one's self? Calling him an idiot for that seems uncalled for.
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:40:31
You're going to have to cite the exact part which states that the purpose of the representative democracy is to protect the rights of the minority. the bill of rights
Where is it stated? in it's existence.
You realize the purpose of the bill of rights was to protect citizens against a tyrannical government, directly related to the colonists' desire to not repeat their stint with the tyrannical government of England. Right?
It has nothing to do with the rights of the minority vs. majority.
and that is why we're a republic and not a democracy, for that exact reason.
It has a lot to do with it, try to put 2 and 2 together.
By Kimble2013 2013-01-18 23:40:39
since the bill of rights was written back in the 1700s, we should just let people arm themselves with the weapons they had at the time.
People can own all the muskets they want! or we can realize that at the time the citizens had better weapons than the military, and continue that tradition.
yeah man, tanks and planes and missiles and nukes for everyone!
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-01-18 23:41:14
we're a republic, our laws stem forth from the people, by the grace of the people, not to restrict them.
No they do not. Laws stem forth from nature. Laws are interpreted from nature by political scientists, based on those interpretations they make laws that are best for the people.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-01-18 23:41:42
You're not putting 2 and 2 together. What you're doing is the equivalent of adding 2 and "apples."
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:41:44
since the bill of rights was written back in the 1700s, we should just let people arm themselves with the weapons they had at the time.
People can own all the muskets they want! or we can realize that at the time the citizens had better weapons than the military, and continue that tradition.
yeah man, tanks and planes and missiles and nukes for everyone!
I've already explained why nukes aren't feasible, as nuclear material is restricted, I'm ok with citizens owning tanks and planes.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-01-18 23:42:40
I'm ok with citizens owning tanks and planes. Excuse me?!
By Kimble2013 2013-01-18 23:42:44
ahh, they can own them, but not be allowed to drive/operate them.
Perfect sense!
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By Leviathan.Behemothx 2013-01-18 23:43:15
Leviathan.Behemothx said: »Leviathan.Behemothx said: »Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »There was a lot of talk earlier about how if someone broke into your house, people would rather have a gun than wait for police, because the armed robber would kill you before the cops showed up.
The problem with that line of thinking is you're only thinking about people who are specifically coming into your house with the goal of killing you. A normal robber doesn't care one way or another about you, and certainly isn't going to go out of their way to kill you when all they want is an xbox they can sell. Someone who is just there to rob you will be frightened off by am alarm, by the sound of people home, etc. If there is an armed burglar in your house, you are also NOT under the obligation to face them in mortal combat.
Your job is to keep you and your family alive, not live out some John McClane fantasy where you snipe them before they get the draw on you. You hide, get in a safe place, and hide for the few minutes you need for police to arrive (assuming you don't have an alarm like you should and you had to call 911).
Thinking that a strange noise in the kitchen means it's your chance to finally gun-up and open fire at the shadowy figure in the dark is how those stories happen where the father shoots their kid who's sneaking in late after curfew.
But of course, the entire thought process of "a possible confrontation??? You better believe it's GUN TIME!" and an inability to consider more logical and reasonable outcomes is one of the major problems America is facing in the first place with this whole issue.
This is the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE line of thinking that I can imagine. I'm speechless.
Listen, you don't like guns. That's fine, that's how you feel. But if you can honestly tell me that someone breaks into your house and you give them the opportunity to see what their intentions are.. and not.. shoot them, or beat them down with a frying pan. You're an idiot.
Just an idiot.
What do you do if his panic reaction is to kill or seriously wound one of your family members. What do you do if he knew you had little girls and that's his thing? He didn't break into your house, he came for your kids? Do you see how the cards play out?
Paranoia. reality
Then move out of whatever hell hole you live in if that's reality for you. planet earth, last I checked, we can't move off the planet "yet."
Seriously, if you can't go to bed at night without being that paranoid you got issues.
And last I checked genious, the US isn't planet earth - there are tons of places on earth where people don't think like that. And there's also tons of places in the US where people don't have to be that paranoid.
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By Ragnarok.Blurrski 2013-01-18 23:44:21
Youre all officially more HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE than him now >.>.. Myself included I guess.
If you dont entertain someones need for attention, they go elsewhere for it.
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:44:29
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »we're a republic, our laws stem forth from the people, by the grace of the people, not to restrict them.
No they do not. Laws stem forth from nature. Laws are interpreted from nature by political scientists, based on those interpretations they make laws that are best for the people.
in the United States, they do.
By Jetackuu 2013-01-18 23:44:52
You're not putting 2 and 2 together. What you're doing is the equivalent of adding 2 and "apples." not at all.
By Kimble2013 2013-01-18 23:45:17
Ragnarok.Blurrski said: »Youre all officially more HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE than him now >.>.. Myself included I guess.
If you dont entertain someones need for attention, they go elsewhere for it.
I just enjoy making people make themselves look like idiots, as is my right as an American!
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-01-18 23:45:39
Leviathan.Behemothx said: »Leviathan.Behemothx said: »Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »There was a lot of talk earlier about how if someone broke into your house, people would rather have a gun than wait for police, because the armed robber would kill you before the cops showed up.
The problem with that line of thinking is you're only thinking about people who are specifically coming into your house with the goal of killing you. A normal robber doesn't care one way or another about you, and certainly isn't going to go out of their way to kill you when all they want is an xbox they can sell. Someone who is just there to rob you will be frightened off by am alarm, by the sound of people home, etc. If there is an armed burglar in your house, you are also NOT under the obligation to face them in mortal combat.
Your job is to keep you and your family alive, not live out some John McClane fantasy where you snipe them before they get the draw on you. You hide, get in a safe place, and hide for the few minutes you need for police to arrive (assuming you don't have an alarm like you should and you had to call 911).
Thinking that a strange noise in the kitchen means it's your chance to finally gun-up and open fire at the shadowy figure in the dark is how those stories happen where the father shoots their kid who's sneaking in late after curfew.
But of course, the entire thought process of "a possible confrontation??? You better believe it's GUN TIME!" and an inability to consider more logical and reasonable outcomes is one of the major problems America is facing in the first place with this whole issue.
This is the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE line of thinking that I can imagine. I'm speechless.
Listen, you don't like guns. That's fine, that's how you feel. But if you can honestly tell me that someone breaks into your house and you give them the opportunity to see what their intentions are.. and not.. shoot them, or beat them down with a frying pan. You're an idiot.
Just an idiot.
What do you do if his panic reaction is to kill or seriously wound one of your family members. What do you do if he knew you had little girls and that's his thing? He didn't break into your house, he came for your kids? Do you see how the cards play out?
Paranoia. reality
Then move out of whatever hell hole you live in if that's reality for you.
You don't get it do you? You could live in the best neighborhood. Your neighbors good be Gates and Buffet and if someone breaks into your house, you should still take the threat seriously, and into your own hands. If hiding works, that's great, but what if he finds you, freaks out, and hurts someone you love? That is what some people do when they panic, they don't flee, they shoot, or lunge.
Yeah, Cabrini Green saw more violence than 1700 Pennsylvania Avenue, but a criminal is a criminal.
Obama touting gun control, and teasing gun bans, just undid a law limiting president's SS detail to 10 years post-term. He's telling you you don't need guns, but he'll keep armed security.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-01-18 23:45:51
Ragnarok.Blurrski said: »Youre all officially more HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE than him now >.>.. Myself included I guess.
If you dont entertain someones need for attention, they go elsewhere for it. What are you adding here exactly? If the conversation offends you, there are ways to alleviate that. Not reading it, for starters.
Various politicians and media refusing signs saying "This home is proudly gun free", for the obvious reasons, yet the primary publication they pursue, saw fit to publish a list of names/addresses for registered gun owners.
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