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just nerf bst already
Leviathan.Prototyp
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-03-20 12:55:41
She has rather low HP, anyway, solo you will certainly notice the regen.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-20 12:57:07
there's no reason to steal mobs 1. free currency. 2. Uh, is a 2nd reason really required? ok then go rob your local store's register, free currency Cause those two instances are totally the same. what's the difference? same principle big difference lol... people will continue to do things that have no real consequence whether it is morally ambigous or not. When you add in a consequence people then start to weigh the worth of the action against the possible outcome. It's a game with no real consequences on either side. I mean so you lose a couple peices of currency, no big deal, and there isn't any punishment so theres really not much to consider. In robbing a store not only does that establishment lose out on something tangible the perpatrator risks his freedom and reputation.
bold was my point entirely, either thing is a severe douchebag move.
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By Shiva.Karmessurma 2012-03-20 12:58:20
Unfortunately the problem isn't really the job itself, it's mainly the majority of people behind the job that just find it's mandatory to hold too many mobs in Dynamis.
I'm sure if the player base saw BSTs going one mob at a time, this nerf probably wouldn't even be considered.
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-03-20 12:59:48
there's no reason to steal mobs 1. free currency. 2. Uh, is a 2nd reason really required? ok then go rob your local store's register, free currency Cause those two instances are totally the same. what's the difference? same principle big difference lol... people will continue to do things that have no real consequence whether it is morally ambigous or not. When you add in a consequence people then start to weigh the worth of the action against the possible outcome. It's a game with no real consequences on either side. I mean so you lose a couple peices of currency, no big deal, and there isn't any punishment so theres really not much to consider. In robbing a store not only does that establishment lose out on something tangible the perpatrator risks his freedom and reputation.
bold was my point entirely, either thing is a severe douchebag move.
Meh thats like saying "You killed a human in a game, why dont you go kill a human in real life"
which are two totally different things. I dont feel as though your choice in examples was correct
Edit: also the main difference between the two is stealing from your local stores register is punishable by the law. Where GMs wont do anything to you for killing the mobs that bst is holding on to. so the example is fail.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-20 13:01:31
no as the principles behind them are different...
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-03-20 13:02:13
no as the principles behind them are different...
how are the principles behind them any different then the principles behind your example?
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-20 13:03:07
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »no as the principles behind them are different...
how are the principles behind them any different then the principles behind your example?
think about it...
edit: actually since you missed the point the first time I doubt you'll be able to figure it out...
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-03-20 13:04:34
bst says something that makes no sense, it's suppose to magically make sense because they're a bst
*** bst logic
Leviathan.Prototyp
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-03-20 13:08:30
think someone was molested by bst
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-20 13:12:07
Until bst can do 5K upheaval on AV: lolbst.
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Leviathan.Prototyp
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-03-20 13:13:51
Yup, think I was right.
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-03-20 13:14:53
Until bst can do 5K upheaval on AV: lolbst.
your statement makes it sound like their upheavals do less than 5k
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-03-20 13:15:11
in the realm of bst stupidity, i'm sure you believe you are
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-20 13:15:18
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Until bst can do 5K upheaval on AV: lolbst.
your statement makes it sound like their upheavals do less than 5k Everything a BST does is.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-03-20 13:16:24
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Until bst can do 5K upheaval on AV: lolbst.
your statement makes it sound like their upheavals do less than 5k Everything a BST does is.
last i checked bsts one shotted every mob in the game
THEY'RE SO GOOD
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-03-20 13:17:31
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »Until bst can do 5K upheaval on AV: lolbst.
your statement makes it sound like their upheavals do less than 5k Everything a BST does is.
last i checked bsts one shotted every mob in the game
THEY'RE SO GOOD
Ya on bst i can kill a lot of things without even engaging the mob myself. until war can do that LolWar >.>
Leviathan.Prototyp
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-03-20 13:17:37
yep
By Latifah 2012-03-20 13:18:02
ffxi haves a really weird weird director (tanaka), actually the only game that have not released an expan or new races/jobs for a very long time since 2008, and they want users to keep playing re-hashed content with some added bonuses, they just keep adding silly stuff with no storyline, no sense, like voidwatch and legion but just to get alternative gear, idk what they hell are they up to, makes me think of that assumption of they want to make people play ff14 when it comes to the ps3 @ december on patch 2.0, because they are not releasing real content atm and it's driving people crazy because zone monopolization and other stuff
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-03-20 13:19:57
ffxi haves a really weird weird director (tanaka), actually the only game that have not released an expan or new races/jobs for a very long time since 2008, and they want users to keep playing re-hashed content with some added bonuses, they just keep adding silly stuff with no storyline, no sense, like voidwatch and legion but just to get alternative gear, idk what they hell are they up to, makes me think of that assumption of they want to make people play ff14 when it comes to the ps3 @ december on patch 2.0, because they are not releasing real content atm and it's driving people crazy because zone monopolization and other stuff
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2012-03-20 13:20:05
Longest sentence ever
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-03-20 13:21:31
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »Longest sentence ever comma..comma comma comma comma comma comma comma chameleon!!!
Edit: after you finished reading it the first time did you reread it in the rhythm on the song? >.>
Carbuncle.Blizzit
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By Carbuncle.Blizzit 2012-03-20 13:46:36
I just got done reading this and could not stop laughing.
First off I totaly enjoy Dynamis as it stands. Its the only event that feels like a old school hnms camp every mob is your target. When it comes to so called stealing a mob. "I dont give a rat's *** if its yellow or not thats a free mob to claim." Dont let your ***go white. Insted of bitching learn to play your damn job, if i let a mob go yellow thats my own damn fault and if you take it good for you. If you really suck and cant compete with ja procs, do the smart thing and set up to farm ma or ws procs. You know who your players are that rock the zone avoid those players. Your 2 hrs inside the zone is not as important as my 2 hrs in the zone. Change your times you enter. Scan your zones. If the ppl are there that you have issues with go to a diffrent zone. If you want to face the ppl that farm everday and have the system down thats just your own stupidity. If one camp is overdone go do the other mobs. or dc version.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-03-20 13:47:57
Carbuncle.Blizzit said: »I just got done reading this and could not stop laughing.
First off I totaly enjoy Dynamis as it stands. Its the only event that feels like a old school hnms camp every mob is your target. When it comes to so called stealing a mob. "I dont give a rat's *** if its yellow or not thats a free mob to claim." Dont let your ***go white. Insted of bitching learn to play your damn job, if i let a mob go yellow thats my own damn fault and if you take it good for you. If you really suck and cant compete with ja procs, do the smart thing and set up to farm ma or ws procs. You know who your players are that rock the zone avoid those players. Your 2 hrs inside the zone is not as important as my 2 hrs in the zone. Change your times you enter. Scan your zones. If the ppl are there that you have issues with go to a diffrent zone. If you want to face the ppl that farm everday and have the system down thats just your own stupidity. If one camp is overdone go do the other mobs. or dc version.
totally doesn't get it...
Valefor.Maiestas
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By Valefor.Maiestas 2012-03-20 13:57:07
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By Siren.Fattynoob 2012-03-20 17:23:53
can nerf bst all they want ill still use it and still outdo most people in dyna with it and when people start sniping mobs i always have the option of linking all ja mobs and "kiting" them till ja time is over then move to next camp and repeat
I have done this. I do multiple dynamis runs a day via my mule, and when some gimp wants to take 1 of my 2 mobs when there is another 10 yalms away, it is then about revenge and not profit.
If there are 0 mobs, i don't have an issue with it. I wont sit there and watch someone else kill multiples. I don't expect others to watch me.
Had a DNC cry the other day when i took one of their mobs when they had 3 and I had 0. Get over it.
All these retards that take 3+ mobs on purpose only do 1 thing. Delay the repops. It doesn't help anyone.
For those saying BST kill too slow, need to see a real melee BST. Me and my Faithful Falcorr would like a word with you.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2012-03-20 17:56:38
ffxi haves a really weird weird director (tanaka), actually the only game that have not released an expan or new races/jobs for a very long time since 2008, and they want users to keep playing re-hashed content with some added bonuses, they just keep adding silly stuff with no storyline, no sense, like voidwatch and legion but just to get alternative gear, idk what they hell are they up to, makes me think of that assumption of they want to make people play ff14 when it comes to the ps3 @ december on patch 2.0, because they are not releasing real content atm and it's driving people crazy because zone monopolization and other stuff
Also, there is no such thing as stealing in FFXI. Yellow is fair game, period.
You can follow a personal rule and not claim yellow monsters but there is absolutely nothing wrong, in FFXI, to do so. Very often people respect each other and nobody touch any yellow monsters in a whole Dynamis run. Unfortunately, it doesn't always go so well because some people hoard monsters and so on.
You enter Dynamis (in this case) for two reasons:
- Get currencies/forgotten.
- Play the damn game.
People might be butthurt but there is no such thing as stealing in FFXI, period (twice, just to make sure). As soon as you enter Dynamis, you are like everyone else in the area: entitled to claim/kill any yellow monster in sight.
Conclusion: man up/deal with it/get real/keep cool.
This is only Dynamis, you'll get more currency after the next JP midnight.
Valefor.Slore
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By Valefor.Slore 2012-03-20 17:59:15
^this
Valefor.Slore
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By Valefor.Slore 2012-03-20 18:03:23
Above and beyond I think the real message here regardless of jobs is don't be a *** and everything will be ok.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-03-20 19:25:06
wow... this thread got blown up overnight >.> lol
BST isn't the problem, it's the players who play BST that make it's image a problem so everyone hates on BST like they all are alike.
End of story
Is it really impossible to just leave it at that? Players are going to abuse BST's power for their own gain, and those same players would MPK you if they could make a quick gil or two. This isn't new, players have been doing this to each other for years and because BST is such a powerful farmer for new Dynamis people are mistaking these players for BST being the problem.
It's as close to an exploit as a job class could possibly get, and allows players to abuse the power given to it. Can we just put this to rest now?
Of course we can't.
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