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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-10-31 11:08:02
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Nariont said: »
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It's hard to avoid DA/TA in gear, so what if you have some DA/TA? Well, your DA is useless now due to the 100% native DA rate and the TA is only 1 hit/round better than the DA you would have gotten without it. +1 reason you're getting 1000 TP slower than if you used any other GKT.

Unless im misunderstanding that vid buukki posted, da/ta and such all roll before ambus effect, zanshin however rolls after so thats neutered. In nins case daken works but the oat proc on gkt sets your effective stp on that round to 0 so its nerfed hard at high stp

You would need to intentionally lower your STP to somewhere in the mid range to have like a guaranteed OAT1 proc rate, and then fill the rest of your gear with DA/TA/QA. So half of your attacks would return the full benefit of STP but be multiple attacks, while the other half give a fixed TP return but are guaranteed to be doubled. If you exceed 100STP, your MA as far as I'm aware is "wasted" (unsure if MA can still proc prior to OAT if >100STP is met).

It's a quirky weapon that I have used on occasion just to have fun with, but it does require a unique set to get the "most" out of it. You'd have to know ahead of time how much Samurai Roll STP you're getting to maximize it (maybe GearInfo can do it, but that's too confusing for me)
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By Nariont 2025-10-31 11:47:38
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At least from what the vids saying via transcript;
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"and that's that it doesn't actually give double attack, triple attack, or quadruple attack the procs from the ambuscade great katana actually happen after normal quadruple attack triple
attack and double attack procs so they're more like occasionally attack two, three, and four and it only zeroes out your store tp when the special multi-attack from the great katana actually procs this means that normal multi-attacks actually raise your average tp per round since they are still getting your full store tp."

So any additional MA is still getting the full benefit, you just roll an Oa2-4 after if those do not proc. Again if zanhasso also acted before ambus OaT it'd probably be in a much better position as a starting gkt as a lot of the TP generation of sam does come from those iki boosted hits

As far as for NIN, yeah its basically a good ageha stick, the hybrids are also pretty nice, and the oat effect, while still not great at least daken still occurs, if nerfed. Hurts more you normally wont have the missing haste from hasso as nin
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-10-31 11:59:25
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Nariont said: »
and the oat effect, while still not great at least daken still occurs, if nerfed.

Maybe I'm misreading this, but how is Daken nerfed? It should get the full benefit of STP? (Or are you saying the OAT effect is nerfed)
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By Nariont 2025-10-31 12:01:06
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When the OaT on gkt procs it sets your STP to 0 for that entire round, including the FU of daken, so daken is getting anywhere from slightly to heavily nerfed in how much TP it's returning.

So if say happo shuriken proc would give 124~ TP at 100 STP, itll instead give 62~ on a OaT proc
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2025-10-31 12:14:09
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I see. I feel like that's an unintended bug/effect based on how they lazily implemented it, but it shouldn't really work that way. The FUA of Daken has absolutely nothing to do with the Great Katana attack round at all (it should be treated as a completely independent attack and not lumped into the entire attack round of the Great Katana's proc, because it has it's own TP calculation properties). They probably didn't even take Daken/Zanshin into consideration at all when they made this GKT, but a better way would have been to make an exception for any follow-up attacks that SAM or NIN can produce. It's because of the order of operations in attack swings that they get nerfed, probably didn't bother to move them and just said f it, spaghetti too risky. What a shame
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By Nariont 2025-10-31 12:23:06
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Not sure they could make it so the OaT was some kind of special variant that occured dead last(and if they could id complain asking why they couldnt move mythic OaT around also), probably could have coded the STP aspect to only apply to the weapon but like you said i kinda doubt they took daken into account for this. It makes it a bit of a wonky weapon that gets worse the more STP you get just due to the zanhasso/daken aspect of the 2 jobs on it, still better than the GS though.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2025-10-31 12:43:32
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
They probably didn't even take X into consideration at all when they made Y

Summarized the skeleton crew that is FFXI's development team.
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