Mary's Horn

Yeah I don't see it making or breaking a Brd at such low levels, I only say it's 'needed' for like Dyna and stuff.

I thought I'd start a little thread here and get some opinions from average bards and elitist bards a like. I realize this might invite non bards to drop their two cents as well, feel free to do so. I have compiled all my evidence to prove that Mary's horn just isnt worth the gil unless you camp it or have gil and nothing else to spend it on (like a wind torque).

Now I have heard the following statements about Mary's Horn and I'm here to disprove all my friends (elitist bards) and you if you believe these rediculous claims.

They believe Mary's Horn has a hidden effect of mag acc and/or that mary's horn with its Lullaby+1 means the +1 means it will land more accurately. These claims are both false. Another claim I hear is it's a must have for bard. Here is what I've found to disprove that all. And I remind you its still a good instrument just hate elitists XD.

Lullaby : Two songs give this effect. Foe Lullaby is single-target, while Horde Lullaby has a small Area of Effect and can possibly hit multiple enemies. Lullaby base duration is 30 seconds. Each +1 given from an instrument adds +3 seconds to base duration.

Wind Instruments :Instruments used by a Bard to add effects to fellow party members or a party's enemy. Most of the instruments give boosts to certain songs that can be sung by a bard, which is why it's always great to have the +1 versions of the instruments. Mary's Horn and Piccolo +1 don't boost the songs' effects as much as Nursemaid's Harp and Sorrowful Harp, but the songs land more consistently. Each +1 to a song on an instrument increases its duration by 10%, and also increases its effect. All buff songs have a base duration of 120 seconds, or 2 minutes.

So that being said we come to the conclusion is it the Mary's Horn making your sleep land better?, its the fact its a wind instrument. So do you really need to have a horn to increase sleep by 3 seconds? Up to you, highly situational or if your trying to be the best bard puller then get one by all means. I just wanted to disprove some friends and any elitists out there walking around with the notion this has a hidden effect lol. Bottom line : Always pull with a wind instrument, and stack wind instrument skills, I never have a problem sleeping. Oh CHR always helps too, every 5 chr = 2.5 mag acc remember that kids ^^.

I've been BRD75 for a long time now, but far from elitist (using Yigit rather than spend 5 mil on manteel for example). I dont have mary's horn, and I've never had it either. 3 sec extra duration on sleep time?

Well, first off if talking about merit party, you'd need new DD's if the first 30 sec of sleep isnt enough.

As far as going to dyna, I've played BRD in dyna alot as well. Not sure how other shells are doing it, but the extra 3 sec wouldnt matter in dyna either. BRD's are only for the initial sleep, where the RDM overwrite your lullaby with sleep II for crowd control. And ofcourse help resleep mobs that wake up, but because of the recast time of lullaby there's only so much you can do about that.

Is it worth spending 300-350k (on my server) for an additional 3 sec of zzz? Not in my opinion.

Would I camp mary for the horn? Only if my intention was to sell it, but really I can think of alot less annoying ways to make 300-350 k.

Wut? Point out where 2CHR = 1 Magic Accuracy to me and I'll take it back.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS MY POINT! there is hope on this forum.

Look up a comment on Mary's Horn on this site. Thats where i got that info. My bad. Didn't realize that person was HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

This thing saying that 2Stat = 1M.acc can also be found in the JP wiki, and on Kaeko's LJ.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Magic_Accuracy

Quoted from Wiki: "Meaning, when casting on Monsters in the most situations (excluding some HNMs): 1 Skill = 1 Magic accuracy = 2 Spell Stat (INT, MND, CHR) = 1% hit rate"

This has been neither confirmed nor denied by SE, but it's generally (I say generally, if you disagree with me, please say so in a grown up debate) accepted within the BRD-y community that 2 Stat = 1 Skill = 1 Magic Accuracy.

I myself have believed the 2 CHR = 1 Magic Accuracy dogma. If it's wrong by all means show me and I'm glad to change but it's worked for me.

Kaeko! That was the guy! I forgot his name and I seem to have deleted the bookmark, I was going crazy trying to find it again. Thanks. :)

Sorry, my intention wasn't to start pointless bickering, but the OP did invite non-BRDs to put their opinions in, then when I did, he curled up in the corner lashing out at people. I didn't even discredit his post, in fact I even agree with him about the horn, I just picked at the ONE area I didn't agree with and got emo'd at.
But no I don't really agree with the 2STAT > 1 Acc area, and I'm talking from experiences on both BLM and RDM, 1STAT > .X acc seems more accurate to me, based on my random resist spikes with nukes on HNM in Ele sets, to INT sets. And I would assume BRD spells (since yes I dont have it leveled) would work the same way, since Magic Accuracy is a governing stat for all spells, songs/Utsu/Enfeeb/etc. But it doesn't really matter since nothing is proven about Macc since SE don't take a stance on it. Like I said, my opinion.

Sorry, my intention wasn't to start pointless bickering, but the OP did invite non-BRDs to put their opinions in, then when I did, he curled up in the corner lashing out at people. I didn't even discredit his post, in fact I even agree with him about the horn, I just picked at the ONE area I didn't agree with and got emo'd at.
But no I don't really agree with the 2STAT > 1 Acc area, and I'm talking from experiences on both BLM and RDM, 1STAT > .X acc seems more accurate to me, based on my random resist spikes with nukes on HNM in Ele sets, to INT sets. And I would assume BRD spells (since yes I dont have it leveled) would work the same way, since Magic Accuracy is a governing stat for all spells, songs/Utsu/Enfeeb/etc. But it doesn't really matter since nothing is proven about Macc since SE don't take a stance on it. Like I said, my opinion.

No no, Im not bickering. In fact, Im a little annoyed at the bickering. Shame people cant have grown up debates over a video game without resorting to name calling, but I digress.

HNMs aren't a good candidate for testing accuracy, I would think, just because their stats are so much higher than ours and other mobs. The Wiki quote even says in the most situations (excluding some HNMs):. I personally haven't spent hours upon hours testing the validity of the statements, so Im not going to stomp my feet and say you're wrong and Im right. as you said, SE wont chime in so nobody can ever be 100% certain until they do.

I didn't mean you, I meant the OP with his "Go die" comments etc.

Most bard's are perfectionists, and this is a good thing.

lolwut?
I see a crap load of princessbards and naked ones...dont know what you are talking about.