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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-01-16 04:22:55
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Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
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How does one believe in a Heaven and not a Hell at the same time? From a Christianity standpoint, I can't see that possible. Where is the punishment for the sins?

There really isn't much of a mention of hell. The closest thing to an overt mentioning is the lake of sulfur and fire, which is where God will cast the devil and his minions during the 1,000 year reign of Christ, it does not say that people will sent there.

Some sects of the religion believe that those unfit to inherit God's Kingdom will simply die and fade from memory. No suffering, just non-existence.

Fair enough...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-16 04:23:26
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Eh it's late and this thread is just degenerating into insults now. Thanks for the entertainment tonight. Night.
Yeah this worked out quite well. It was nice to get one these going again. Let's see if it's nuked or locked in the morning.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-16 04:24:51
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According to your beliefs though we only have this life correct? When we die we fade to nothing and our physical bodies decompose. If a parent were to lock their child up for the rest of his life due to a behavioral issue or crime or what not is that not condemning them for their eternity?

Correct and that life sentence doesn't come easy for both parties but you're failing to see what a cosmic eternity is. It doesn't compare to our rather short lifespans. We put people in prison to protect others to the best of our abilities but do you think eternal punishment is the best God (a being of infinite power) can do? If we had infinite power (or better choices for dealing with criminals) we'd probably do better than our rather pathetic life sentences. I dunno.. something like behavior modification seems right up our alley as humans.

Either way, God has access to infinite choices for dealing with people who fail to make the cut yet chooses eternal punishment over many other choices available to him. What's worse is the eternal punishment does nothing to solve the issue but merely buries it under a shroud of eternal agony.

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I hear about parents in other countries getting rid of babies by throwing them away because they are born female and that won't help them take care of their families.

This is caused by religious belief in many parts of the world coupled with social boulders regarding treatment women including Christianity. How do you feel about the Catholic Church's abysmal treatment of women? Why can't they be cardinals or the Pope?

Guess how those boulders are being chipped away? The forces of logic and reason in this age undermining the archaic beliefs of previous eras. People are realizing it makes no sense to limit women when they have equal capabilities to men and we'll only get better so long as logic and reason resist the patriarchal forces of religion.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-16 04:26:29
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Eh it's late and this thread is just degenerating into insults now. Thanks for the entertainment tonight. Night.

that started awhile ago...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-16 04:27:15
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Can we call it a night and regroup tomorrow?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-16 04:27:55
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We'll figure this ***out one way or another, but I need rest right now.
 
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-16 04:28:14
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Can we call it a night and regroup tomorrow?

Perhaps...unless the wife wants to level our Samurai's together which we haven't done in awhile, then I'd rather do that.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2012-01-16 04:28:27
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Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
How does one believe in a Heaven and not a Hell at the same time? From a Christianity standpoint, I can't see that possible. Where is the punishment for the sins?

There really isn't much of a mention of hell. The closest thing to an overt mentioning is the lake of sulfur and fire, which is where God will cast the devil and his minions during the 1,000 year reign of Christ, it does not say that people will sent there.

Some sects of the religion believe that those unfit to inherit God's Kingdom will simply die and fade from memory. No suffering, just non-existence.

That's because it's a fabricated plane of existence used to keep people in line through the use of fear of the unknown.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-16 04:28:30
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Can we call it a night and regroup tomorrow?
sure I'll go sit in my mog house and think about how far behind I am...again.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-16 04:29:06
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said: »
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Is this one of the requirements for gluttony?

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Seeking after sauces and seasonings for the enjoyment of the palate.

Gluttony is the guy who weighs 450 lbs., sweating and breathing heavily, in front of you int he line at McDonalds, while ordering 3 #1's large size and a 20 piece nugget, and then he goes on to order the main course.
Let's not forget the diet coke.

coke is so nasty...
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-16 04:29:18
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said: »
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Is this one of the requirements for gluttony?

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Seeking after sauces and seasonings for the enjoyment of the palate.

Gluttony is the guy who weighs 450 lbs., sweating and breathing heavily, in front of you int he line at McDonalds, while ordering 3 #1's large size and a 20 piece nugget, and then he goes on to order the main course.
Let's not forget the diet coke.

Sometimes I do find that funny, but not always, I actually like the taste of Diet Coke better, not because I think it will magically trim my waist from a 36 to a 34 though.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-16 04:29:29
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said: »
Ragnarok.Evandis said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Is this one of the requirements for gluttony?

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Seeking after sauces and seasonings for the enjoyment of the palate.

Gluttony is the guy who weighs 450 lbs., sweating and breathing heavily, in front of you int he line at McDonalds, while ordering 3 #1's large size and a 20 piece nugget, and then he goes on to order the main course.
Let's not forget the diet coke.
LOOOOL!

Can't forget that, they need to watch their weight!
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-16 04:30:00
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Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
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Odin.Eikechi said: »
How does one believe in a Heaven and not a Hell at the same time? From a Christianity standpoint, I can't see that possible. Where is the punishment for the sins?

There really isn't much of a mention of hell. The closest thing to an overt mentioning is the lake of sulfur and fire, which is where God will cast the devil and his minions during the 1,000 year reign of Christ, it does not say that people will sent there.

Some sects of the religion believe that those unfit to inherit God's Kingdom will simply die and fade from memory. No suffering, just non-existence.

That's because it's a fabricated plane of existence used to keep people in line through the use of fear of the unknown.

I agree with this statement. Made up by the Catholics.
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-16 04:31:43
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This once cost 1.5 million gil and didn't even come with cheese.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-16 04:32:46
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last I checked wasn't the artificial sugar used in diet soda's worse for you than real sugar? in regards to weight loss (skipping on the cancer)
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By Ragnarok.Evandis 2012-01-16 04:33:53
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
last I checked wasn't the artificial sugar used in diet soda's worse for you than real sugar? in regards to weight loss (skipping on the cancer)

Apparently it has to do with the body still thinking it is getting sugar and how it readies itself to digest it.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-16 04:34:49
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last I checked wasn't the artificial sugar used in diet soda's worse for you than real sugar? in regards to weight loss (skipping on the cancer)

Apparently it has to do with the body still thinking it is getting sugar and how it readies itself to digest it.

not a biologist, more of an electronics/physics person
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-01-16 04:46:34
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all i know is my gf is afraid of getting chick cancer or some such nonsense so she wont drink diet.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-16 04:58:21
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well to be fair the US has the highest cancer rate in the world and every other person has a diet soda in their hands, hell it might be the soda itself.

Who knows, almost everything gives cancer, I'm still trying to figure out what they said about cell phones will give cancer I just haven't been bothered to look it up.

Which would mean almost all electronics do...
 
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I just made a steve jobs jab too...

irony.
 
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-01-16 05:11:46
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I heard FFXI gives you cancer too.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2012-01-16 05:14:10
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said: »
I heard FFXI gives you cancer too.
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-01-16 05:56:49
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said: »
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I heard FFXI gives you cancer too.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-16 10:29:34
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Lakshmi.Mabrook said: »
I heard FFXI gives you cancer too.

Tanaka's stupidity is bound to cause tumors.
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Woah!!! This thread blew up last night!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2012-01-16 12:59:22
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They do have "Christians" in Australia.

I just wish more "Christians" would actually follow Christ's teachings. Some do you know. But neither they, nor their churches, wind up on the news.

Like giving all your worldly possessions away?

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If you have two coats give one to the poor.
Sorry I can't give chapter or verse, I haven't read the new testament in decades.

As a total aside, if you study either history or theology you will discover that in both fields Christianity is referred to as "the Paulian heresy".
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