Christians: We Arent Trying To Condemn Anyone

Have you read the Old Testament? God is a most vile character. It's like he's on Perma-PMS...

no you are a bigot for claiming there is something wrong with somebody because of what they are attracted to/who they love.

it's not a choice: bigot.

All good, all powerful being.

Creates sin.

Why?

Go.

Stay hydrated man!

Yeah, for what it's worth, I never woke up and said "I'm going to be sexually attracted to Selena Gomez and Neil Patrick Harris from now on."

On Evandis' points?

I've been rational and we've gone from the OT being not valid, the NT not being "free of error" right down the line to none of it being true and only I know the truth because the text is corrupted.

Saying the text that makes up the foundation of Christianity is false makes you something other than a Christian - it makes you a heretic and in many circles it'd be fellow theists stoking the fires or sharpening the stones to mete out justice.

Funny how that works. Because of the decline of rampant theism men like Evandis are free to believe as he sees fit yet if we were to return to the more 'ideal' (theist controlled) times, he and half the people who claim to be Christians on these forums would be on trial for heresy, sorcery, demonic possession and whatever else a theologian could throw at them.

Thank God for rational thought.

First of all, I was trying to somewhat defend your position, second of all, according to my home boy d slice, alternatively known as the dictionary:

big·ot
noun
a person who is intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

That follows in line with me saying your views are somewhat bigoted.

Seeing as we can't prove that homosexuality isn't a choice he'll be taking the high road on this one too.

To test to character of his puppets that he could have created without the ability to commit sin in the first place. Duh.

And I never woke up and said I never felt like a man

No I'm really trying to get to the bottom of this.

A sin is not something that's being condemned, rather it's something that god forbids.

When you die or w/e you have to apologize for those sins if you want to be considered into heaven.

Is that correct?

Your statement makes no sense. Homosexuality is used as a "label" for people who engage in same-sex relationships. That's all it has ever meant to me, unless you are trying to say that being called homosexual is offensive...so what's the new PC term to use?

the god of the bible is a ***, how do you claim otherwise?

just because you fail to follow the logic doesn't make it just my opinion/wrong/not fact.

I don't flame, nor troll. I don't care if people are offended by what I say, the intent of the statements aren't to offend.

Their beliefs should be treated as such and I have given valid reasons as to why, but you and others continue to ignore them.

it's called logic: try it sometime

Can we seriously just have a huge meetup brawl where everyone beats the ***out of everyone, I feel like it would help.

Except, no. Homosexuality is when one is sexually attracted to the same sex. Engaging in it isn't required. A homosexual who has intercourse with a member of the opposite sex is still a homosexual.

I have been anything but intolerant. I have respected your right to live your life as you see fit, even if it is in opposition to what I believe.

Can't you liken it to a parent/child scenario? I know you don't but believe for a second that god created man. A father and a mother get together and create a child. They try to guide that child to a path that they feel is right for the benefit of his/her life. They lay down rules and deal out punishments when those rules are broken. As they grow you hope you have taught them well enough to function and prosper. We all distance ourselves from that parent/child relationship and live according to our own free will. We are now driven by free will. Our parents hope that the lessons they taught us stick with them and aide them but in the end we make our own choices and live as we choose.

No matter who it is people make rules, deem what is bad/punishable and act against those that infringe against those rules and enforce punishment when they do.

Mincing words...again.

The discussion is about the act of homosexuality, for it is the act of homosexuality that God forbids, not the thoughts.

God doesn't forbid anything because God doesn't exist.

not to mention that the idea of free will in existence with an "all knowing" being is impossible...or that an all powerful being being impossible as well...

but that's another subject.

So... we're a cosmic sandbox game that God left running?

Although, doesn't that answer "why does god ALLOW sin" rather than why did he make sin?

You forgot the part where real parents aren't omnipotent.

I never said you went around ***-slapping gay people and telling them they were wrong, I stated quite the opposite about you in my original post, actually. I was simply stating that your viewpoint on the gay life style itself seems a bit bigoted, key words *seems a bit* and of course that's just my opinion.

I never said you were intolerant, referring back to my original post on the topic, once again.

You too Jet!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

I know its a wiki link, but not all of these articles can be full of ***.

/sigh

sounds plausible to me

I don't know, I haven't died yet. I don't know what the actual decorum will be. Will you actually have to say I am sorry, or will he judge you by your deeds overall and what he reads in your heart?

Sin can be forgiven, it doesn't really give us the stipulation on what the exact requirements for forgiveness are. I would imagine in this circumstance that it would be truly repentant for sinning and not just saying it for a free pass.

anyway, off to bed for me. I'll check back in the morning to see if we can keep a some-what civil exchange of ideas going, either that or the thread will be 30 pages longer defeating the purpose of return and/or it will have been nuked which is what I'm guessing is more likely :3

night.