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lv.99 MNK TP set
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-04-18 13:04:26
I'm sort of lost. I've come to rely on a little bit of outside opinion, since a lot of the upgrades and changes to make aren't obvious at this point anymore (to me.) But I'm also trying to work this out on my own. My catch is that they're not always agreeing.
One of the best sets that I can come up with is:
But strangely (I think?) with Impetus up, it still came out on top of Tantra +2 body... which seemed incorrect to me. And, I couldn't get any combo that included Oce+1 head.
Is it because of the buffs I'm entering? (RCB, Haste, Focus, Impetus [or not, depending on set], and berserk) Is there something I'm just not seeing/understanding? Or maybe something is wrong with the sheet? Or... maybe I'm just not tracking the thread right, and some of the answers were responses to some people's specific situations. I'm lost, though - I do know that.
I don't think I'm asking for specific advice - there's been tons of that here already. I just want to sort out why I don't seem to be coming to the same conclusions as people like Nightfyre, Jinjo and Austar.
Edit: Or else I am only looking at the TP damage, and not seeing if/when I shave off a hit before 100 TP. Still dunno.
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By Odin.Skeero 2012-04-18 13:11:57
Thaumas legs really beats af3+2? The loss in +7 kick doesnt seem worth it, unless im over estimating the usefulness of kick attacks. Just seem losing the extra KA would also lessen the value of af3+2 feet.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-04-18 13:14:14
Yeah that doesn't seem right, and that also don't match with what I see around town. I'm just sort of venturing into the spreadsheed world, so all this is based on that. Idk what to trust/believe for sure, really.
But yeah, with AF3 legs and feet, kicks seem pretty significant. :\ So confused.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-18 13:14:15
You're just about correct..
Attack not capped:
Use Hagneia Stone if using Verethragna.
Attack capped:
Thaumas legs are only winning if you're fully benefiting from that 4ACC (somehow I doubt they are even then..? I'm too sleepy for more math atm).
Oh, and Nomkahpa Mitts > *. I just still haven't managed to get my hands on a pair. -_-
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-04-18 13:14:24
Af3+2 legs by far
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-04-18 13:19:05
That's why I'm confused though - I see those sets, but I also see what's the sheet's giving me. But yeah, I like my flaming pants better anyway :P
And I guess the STP must make the difference, too. (Now that I think about it, capped or uncapped, you wouldn't bother changing it if it didn't.)
Thanks!
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-18 13:23:12
If the sheet is using a higher evasion VW mob (Pil+) as a target, your accuracy won't be capped unless it defaults to having a lot of accuracy buffs. 2% hit rate -could- be enough to put them ahead. Like I said, too tired for math and I know I've been capped on accuracy with appropriate buffs in AF3+2 pants so moot point anyways.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-04-18 13:34:49
If the sheet is using a higher evasion VW mob (Pil+) as a target, your accuracy won't be capped unless it defaults to having a lot of accuracy buffs. 2% hit rate -could- be enough to put them ahead. Like I said, too tired for math and I know I've been capped on accuracy with appropriate buffs in AF3+2 pants so moot point anyways.
That must be it -- was actually using Pil. I guess I should mess around with ALL of the variables a little more before opening my... keyboard.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-18 15:29:22
You're just about correct..
Attack not capped:
Use Hagneia Stone if using Verethragna.
Attack capped:
Thaumas legs are only winning if you're fully benefiting from that 4ACC (somehow I doubt they are even then..? I'm too sleepy for more math atm).
Oh, and Nomkahpa Mitts > *. I just still haven't managed to get my hands on a pair. -_-
Need more chapeau :(
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2012-04-18 15:38:09
Why not Thaumas head for crit rate? And why the Hagnia Stone for TP? Sorry just trying to get caught up on all the new crazes.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-04-18 15:42:40
Well, I don't have any Thaumas or Athos gear, so I might start w/ the Tantra version, get Thaumas, then work towards Athos. :)
Gotta remember to keep looking at your guys' sets, though, since... you know, they're already there.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-18 15:48:42
Why not Thaumas head for crit rate? And why the Hagnia Stone for TP? Sorry just trying to get caught up on all the new crazes. No haste is the main reason. And hagneia with +2 pants and rajas ring with vere gives you a very nice 5.5 TP instead of 5.3, enough to make your WS frequency pass up the 12 attack you'd get from potestas. Vere only though.
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2012-04-18 16:04:28
Why not Thaumas head for crit rate? And why the Hagnia Stone for TP? Sorry just trying to get caught up on all the new crazes. No haste is the main reason. And hagneia with +2 pants and rajas ring with vere gives you a very nice 5.5 TP instead of 5.3, enough to make your WS frequency pass up the 12 attack you'd get from potestas. Vere only though. Whoops. Missed the haste on Athos.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-04-18 16:05:20
You're just about correct..
Attack not capped:
Use Hagneia Stone if using Verethragna.
Attack capped:
Thaumas legs are only winning if you're fully benefiting from that 4ACC (somehow I doubt they are even then..? I'm too sleepy for more math atm).
Oh, and Nomkahpa Mitts > *. I just still haven't managed to get my hands on a pair. -_-
Need more chapeau :(
Ugh.. Imagine actually TPing in that gear though.. would look horrible :P
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-18 16:07:26
You're just about correct..
Attack not capped:
Use Hagneia Stone if using Verethragna.
Attack capped:
Thaumas legs are only winning if you're fully benefiting from that 4ACC (somehow I doubt they are even then..? I'm too sleepy for more math atm).
Oh, and Nomkahpa Mitts > *. I just still haven't managed to get my hands on a pair. -_-
Need more chapeau :(
Ugh.. Imagine actually TPing in that gear though.. would look horrible :P Not if you're taru, then it's adorable.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-04-18 16:34:21
That's only for fodder mobs though, correct? Neo-Nyzul and the like.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-18 16:34:52
Capped attack in general, fodder would use thaumas feet, if not capped attack.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-04-18 16:36:05
No COR or BRD, what does that include for MNK? Relevant end-game stuff, I mean.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-18 16:37:28
No COR or BRD, what does that include for MNK? Relevant end-game stuff, I mean. Not really sure what you're asking.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-04-18 16:40:57
Was looking for an instance where this set would be viable without a BRD or COR, that's all. Nyzul is the only thing I can think of. And Dynamis.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-18 16:42:12
In nyzul I use:
With thaumas feet when berserk is down.
When berserk is up.
Red Curry + Berserk is enough to cap on the fodder mobs, on NMs and floor bosses I put Tantra +2 back on my uncapped attack set.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-04-18 16:48:35
Thanks.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-04-18 20:19:04
Along the above lines, I was thinking possibly using a nomkapha mittens+thaumaus head set if I could ever find a pair of mittens on my server. Although it would only by 25% listed haste.
Edit: Also, Seiryu's kote w/ crit/stp seem like they might be decent contenders.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-18 20:20:45
I would too if I could find a pair.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk 2012-04-22 01:47:43
Your text to link here...
I use that for most end game stuff. Im pretty well pleased.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Diasetsu 2012-04-22 02:02:48
You posted member set, I believe this is what you were trying for.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-24 15:36:51
No reason to ever use bruiser's earring.
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By Bahamut.Illyst 2012-05-01 21:32:26
this may be a stupid question, but please, bare with me. is there a way to write in a rule for spellcast to equip so and so while impetus is up, and to swap it out while its down? if so, please do tell. thanks!
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By Odin.Morgish 2012-05-01 21:37:04
No reason to ever use bruiser's earring. Was ghillie earring they share same model.
Hello all,
Hope you all had a Merry Christmas.
I never really bothered with the math between 90~95. At 99 is this the
optimal TP set for MNK.
Does this set bring us to MAX tier? Or is it too much? Let me know it would be appreciated.
Thankyou
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