Magic Attack Bonus Cap?

Correct.

You're taking that quote out of context.

This was the important part. He's advocating 150 INT for one reason or another, but if it's for the reason of a supposed inflection point at 150 INT then he's still wrong because he will not hit that inflection point with an INT of 150 in a practical scenario.

To be fair, he did say he performed the tests naked. It's an incredibly poor methodology for finding which item is better in practice, but it does explain how he got his result. If you're naked aside from your weapon, Dorje would be better.

Everyone in this thread has some valid points.

He's not trolling at all..and technically you using 150 int and telling other ppl to use 150+ int is "dumb"..there is some good info in what he's posted..learn it, love it, live it!

*** and moan about my opinion of your thought processes all you like, but it doesn't invalidate basic arithmetic. Nor does "playstyle", unless your playstyle is to always be naked. I'm sure others would have their own opinions about you doing so though.

I wasn't aware Brews gave any MAB.

I think people found they give +900(?) opposed to +999 (like other stats). I could be wrong or running with old information though, so I'll wait for others to confirm/deny before I say it's fact =P

I did answer your question, the answer is 66.667 MAB for every tier if you neglect the 5 INT on Aquilo's because MAB is a multiplicative modifier on your base damage. I'm not going to get into the exact value for each tier including the 5 INT because then I'd also need your INT and the enemy's INT, so the answer will vary slightly in different situations. It would never be higher than 66.667 MAB though.

What was yours?

Regardless, I'll keep my gear as it is, my int build as it is, and hold my own vs. whoever.

I do not believe that MAB has a ceiling. If it does, it's higher than what can be attained using current Traits, Gear, Bonuses, Enhancements, etc.

I do remember reading someone's analysis of MAB, and s/he concluded that adding more and more MAB adds gradually "diminishing returns". I assume this means adding more MAB grants a progressively smaller amount of damage per MAB. However, even if that's true, more MAB does continue to increase one's nuke damage, even if it's by smallish amounts, and it doesn't "cap".
I wish I could remember the source article, but it's been too long since I read it and I can't find it atm.

Ignorance is bliss. :D

It's a progressively smaller proportion of your total damage, though 1 point of MAB will always add 1% of the spells base (pre-MAB) damage to your total.

So, now I'm dumb and ignorant, because I won't conform to...? Trial staves? Or, because I believe that my nuke build isn't inferior? Or because I believe that Int has a direct impact on overall dmg?

Well, 30.667 in gear/atma/potency merits since you have 36 MAB in traits but yes, 66.667 MAB total.

The bolded, because it can be empirically demonstrated that you're wrong yet you're willfully disregarding that evidence. Simply stating that INT has a direct impact on overall damage is not ignorant (it's true and nobody is arguing that), but stating that 150+ INT is an ideal goal that everyone should strive for can also be shown to be false.

In this case ignorance is just dumb..

I would welcome the challenge feel free to come to Bahamut and we shall have a nuke off.

Liltrouble makes the BLM inside me sad.
A black mage that cares atleast a tiny bit about himself, should _atleast_ have ice staff done.


Oh, and loldorje. :P
I suppose if you dont care about the job at all, and dont need hq staffs for any other job, sure.. I could accept that, if its only for procs in abyssea.

No, as I previously stated, 150 int was my personal goal because that's what I was told as I was leveling Blm. I recommended it as a goal because it's not too difficult to achieve. I found that resist rates with an int less than 150 were higher as well.

You're changing your story; your original post said nothing about "personal goals" and had no restrictions on your advocation of 150+ INT. If resist rates are an issue, perhaps you should change out your lolDorje for an HQ staff, I hear they also add macc.

I don't see where I've changed anything at all. I'm reiterating, in other words.

Thread shoulda ended here imo >.>(im guessing even at 90 right)

This wins fail of the year award I think.
~but hey play the way you want, u pay for your account don't let anybody tell you how to play, if you think its right so be it, but I'm just telling you its wrong.

Also, I hate to re-hash one of my "soap-box" pet peeves regarding BLM nuking, but considering how often I continue to read about BLM's claiming "I never get resisted!" (lol), it's probably worth repeating here.

If we ignore Auto-Refresh atma from Abyssea (presuming you remember FFXI before Abyssea's release and/or you anticipate future Level-Cap increases will not be Abyssea-related), getting even one resisted nuke out of 10 is an inefficient waste of MP. In some cases (highly-difficult NMs and/or time-restricted battles), that minor inefficiency can be the difference between winning and losing.

Therefore, (in my opinion) it's a folly to be concerned about having the highest/biggest nuke damage, unless you are honestly really being resisted only 5-6% of your casts against a target.

Consider this (hypothetical, but realistic numbers):

Let's suppose BLM "A" nukes 10 times against a target and has no resisted casts, each landing for 2000 damage. That's 20,000 total damage.
Now, BLM "B" has managed to use more MAB gear, while sacrificing some Elemental Magic Skill and/or Magic Accuracy. His/her nukes now do 2100 damage per cast. However, one of his/her 10 nukes gets a 50% resist, and another one gets a 75% resist. The other 8 casts land un-resisted. That totals 18,375 damage.

It cost 2,820 MP to cast those 10 nukes. So, BLM "A" is doing 7.09 damage-per-MP, and BLM "B" is doing 6.52 damage-per-MP.

BLM "A" is roughly 9% more efficient in damage-dealing than BLM "B". I would argue that makes BLM "A" roughly 9% better than BLM "B", even though BLM "B" does higher single-cast damage when un-resisted.

That's true about resists, but.


This is my current full-dmg set, I still need all the new pieces added :(
Artemis' medal/ugga pendant when possible, and sorc ring outside of abyssea.(and ofc obi/twilight cape when possible)

Truth is, there isnt much to change if you wanna gear for more macc these days.
Like, I'd use goetia mantle, and fulltime goetia necklace.
And if the mob is _really_ tough, maybe I'd use af gloves.
AF3 might not be the best af3 set for pure dmg, but it got alot of macc!

With the included new gear, this is currently my goal, unless I forgot something:

if you have a genesis locket and the af 3 +2 hands, you should go with a critical magic grip instead the +1 int one ^^