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 Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-06-21 15:58:05
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Fenrir.Terminus said:
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Why would pup want Asuran Fists anyway really?

I'm a monk w/o Victory Smite or Asectic's Fury.
I use Backhand Blow. Asuran is crap. Never saw Asuran bust out 2k dmg on Orthus(500dmg asuran is normal), but backhand blow does. Seen my best numbers on harder stuff with backhand blow as apposed to other mnk ws's.

Blue proc would be my guess, but dunno why you wouldn't just job change to MNK.

That and the 240 or so non Abyssea zones?

Stringing pummel?
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-06-21 16:04:07
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
Fenrir.Terminus said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Carbuncle.Axle said:
Why would pup want Asuran Fists anyway really?

I'm a monk w/o Victory Smite or Asectic's Fury.
I use Backhand Blow. Asuran is crap. Never saw Asuran bust out 2k dmg on Orthus(500dmg asuran is normal), but backhand blow does. Seen my best numbers on harder stuff with backhand blow as apposed to other mnk ws's.

Blue proc would be my guess, but dunno why you wouldn't just job change to MNK.

That and the 240 or so non Abyssea zones?

Stringing pummel?

Oh... I suck. I meant... backhand blow is ok in Abyssea, not really anywhere else. That really didn't work out.
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-06-21 16:10:34
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Fenrir.Terminus said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Fenrir.Terminus said:
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Carbuncle.Axle said:
Why would pup want Asuran Fists anyway really?

I'm a monk w/o Victory Smite or Asectic's Fury.
I use Backhand Blow. Asuran is crap. Never saw Asuran bust out 2k dmg on Orthus(500dmg asuran is normal), but backhand blow does. Seen my best numbers on harder stuff with backhand blow as apposed to other mnk ws's.

Blue proc would be my guess, but dunno why you wouldn't just job change to MNK.

That and the 240 or so non Abyssea zones?

Stringing pummel?

Oh... I suck. I meant... backhand blow is ok in Abyssea, not really anywhere else. That really didn't work out.

I know that btw. Just didn't add that too my comment, thought that was basic knowledge. Asuran is still good outside, bar VS or AF.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-06-21 16:12:11
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/sigh
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-06-21 16:13:30
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AF over asurans outside??
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By Carbuncle.Axle 2011-06-21 16:17:31
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
AF over asurans outside??

Ermm, sorry no exp with that WS. Forgot about lack of crit's outside.

Krizz :
Didn't think this was too off topic. Kinda going over the use of Asuran Fists. Guess i'll stop posting.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-06-21 16:18:16
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It was directed at the entire thread.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-06-21 16:20:52
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I really don't understand why PUP would want Asuran. Stringing Pummel is by far a superior weaponskill and has the same skillchain properties.

Edit: Felt I needed to address it, the PLD and DRG quest guy unlocks both jobs because they're both meant to be orders of San d'Orian knights.
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By Leviathan.Dreamx 2011-06-21 16:51:37
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There's a thing called lore in a video game, It kinda matters... Even by just a little bit. That's the sole reason why PUP will -NEVER- get Asuran Fists.
If PUP gets Asuran Fists then MNK should get something that wouldn't make sense like Stringing Pummel.
We wouldn't have much use for it, but it would be just there to say we have it.


TL;DR : Makes no damn sense why you would want that. (edit: Other than just pure greed.)
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-06-21 16:58:13
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From what I can gather from the OP they only want it so they can have it in their WS list to look pretty. :X
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By Leviathan.Dreamx 2011-06-21 17:01:40
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Valefor.Prothescar said:
From what I can gather from the OP they only want it so they can have it in their WS list to look pretty. :X

If thats so, I want BLU to be on the Kraken Club able to wield list, uhh lets see... BLU cure potency swords/staves/clubs/gear in general... uhhh lolPLD tanking again... There's a lot of things to "want" versus things we need.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-06-21 17:04:26
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BLU on ridill
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By Sylph.Rorrick 2011-06-21 17:05:37
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Because in the lore, Monk is the master of hand-to-hand combat. Puppetmaster is not a master of hand-to-hand combat. Asuran Fists is for masters of hand-to-hand combat only.

The lore says why you don't get it. You may as well complain you can't wear a black belt even though you meet the level requirement. No one agreed with you on the official forums, and no one agrees with you here.

Get over it.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2011-06-21 17:18:04
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Valefor.Prothescar said:
BLU on ridill
This would actually make sense :|
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-06-21 17:18:47
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OK, so as a pup I'm a little upset at the OP lol... Ya we got the shaft on WSNM...guess what..? NOBODY CARES! Instead of a crappy quest WS (sorry but since nyzul weapons Asuran is bleh), we get....get this now... OUR OWN DAMN ROBOT! lol Its way cooler than -1 on the WS list... Our auto can do so many things, we don't need Asuran...ever. Pups bitching about the dumbest things just furthers the "lolpup" stigma, that the people who honestly do well at and love pup, try to break lol.
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2011-06-21 17:36:33
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Carbuncle.Virtuosus said:
I just....what? You're saying you can out DD an equally geared MNK on your PUP without your automaton? I'm not trying to call PUP bad, but I'd honestly like to see a PUP outdamage a MNK even with their automaton. And no, I don't mean an optimal AF3+2, Vere PUP going up against an Avengers/Aurore Set MNK, I mean equally geared.
He never said equally geared.
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By Alexander.Almostunsane 2011-06-21 17:42:20
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Attn SE: Give PUP a WSNM where the automaton learns how to use Asuran Snips on Valoredge so we can close this thread.

Love, everyone who isn't OP
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2011-06-21 17:45:42
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Almost, a quest to teach your puppet a new trick would be badass actually lol
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-06-21 17:49:22
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Ramuh.Laffter said:
Valefor.Prothescar said:
BLU on ridill
This would actually make sense :|

It really would. BLU wears all of the curvy wurvy woman-looking swords, so I dunno why we can't wear that one. That's it, I'm starting a thread.
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-06-21 17:54:24
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One question for everyone...

The original post date was 20 days ago. The original post didn't have as many points I made after I edited. Originally had... 5 other posters. So five other people actually took interest twenty days ago.

So I guess my question is; why's everyone suddenly interested?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-06-21 17:55:43
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post was on official site
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-06-21 17:56:57
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
post was on official site

Been there for twenty days in the pup forum.

EDIT: Also, most of the arguments are indeed good points. I'll read through them and actually give a response when I have some free time.
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By Sylph.Rorrick 2011-06-21 17:58:02
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Because someone necrobumped it and someone else saw it on the front page and posted and then someone else saw it on the front page and so on and so forth.

It's amazing what a slow forum day and some boredom will do.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-06-21 17:58:15
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It was in "new posts" when i checked new posts today
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-06-21 18:00:58
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They aren't good points, it's all semantics. Puppetmaster has a weaponskill that beats the ***out of Asuran Fists and yet still want Asuran Fists? For what, the small chance to proc during blunt time?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-06-21 18:02:37
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Valefor.Prothescar said:
They aren't good points, it's all semantics. Puppetmaster has a weaponskill that beats the ***out of Asuran Fists and yet still want Asuran Fists? For what, the small chance to proc during blunt time?
He meant the points I made against his identical post on the other forums
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By Bahamut.Mizuharu 2011-06-21 18:03:29
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
It was in "new posts" when i checked new posts today

That's the one I put in Battle Content today, which actually has less responses than this. Guess more people hang out here for boredom lol. The older one is in PUP forums.


Valefor.Prothescar said:
They aren't good points, it's all semantics. Puppetmaster has a weaponskill that beats the ***out of Asuran Fists and yet still want Asuran Fists? For what, the small chance to proc during blunt time?

And yeah, mostly just Tiger's arguments. Most of the others were by people who either didn't read or here to troll by saying what they want just to get some comment+. Not saying all, just saying it's a vast majority.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-06-21 18:21:56
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Ah okie, thought he meant the points that are contained in the OP.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2011-06-21 18:41:13
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Sylph.Krsone said:
He has got a point, blu got an existing wsnm ws savage blade which was a job released at the same time as pup.

BLU actually had the skill for it. But I do see your point.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-06-21 18:51:55
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Final Fantasy does hinge a lot on the lore of it all. Giving PUP Asuran would kinda mess things up a lot. Savage Blade has nothing linking it to the jobs that can learn it.