Brd Spells

also the your/you're thing adds to the cringe factor

you are the linguistic equivalent of nails scraping down a chalkboard in an infinite loop D:

Hell the only job that CAN alliance buff, is SCH, and even then, they need a stratagem to do so.... So even the one job, that can actually do it, is limited in its ability to do so. Brd shouldn't be able to do so as well. Would just be silly, for the very balance issues, already stated a couple times here...

Deal with it!

so long as you're aware of your crimes against the english language

i've done all i can do ;_;

Yea, you should be rewarded... want a cookie?

Brd across alliance is not doable because of yours or whatever reason. But as a brd seeing alliance members fall because i cant help them drove me to this rant. All the other stuff, well haters gonna hate.

if you're subbing /whm all the time, how can you NOT help them? you can shell and cure and pro across alliance members no...?

yes, but pro/shell II for lvl 90 no use esp. with whm in party.

If there is a designated whm for that party, why are they dropping like flies then? I'm quite confused honestly... I haven't played in awhile, but the last time I even came CLOSE to whiping on anything, was a low-man aby zone bosses run, because we didn't have a lot of people and some people were dying to bosses at 1% (due to lame back to back big AOEs) so we had to kite with mnks and such lol.... and when I say low man I mean like 5-7 people tops and some just sat there for boss kill credit..

Protect and Shell and Protectra and Shellra are different spells entirely. They are single target, as in the buff songs for brd (minus the stat raising one) are all AOE. You can only compare the bard buffing songs to the Pro/Shellras, which can't be casted outside of party...let alone themselves...AND they are stronger then the single target pro and shell.

Idk... But Carol 2's and Scherzo helps my party alot where it doesnt help the alliance.

I didnt know this about buff vs buffra's... thanks

bar spells work just as well (well ya know what i mean...a good whm can get massive numbers on a bar spell with the right gear and such...) and i dont honestly remember what that other song does... i want to say thats the "migiwari" type song, where you don't get 1 hit KO'd if you take more than your max hp in 1 hit? is that about right?

WHM merits can make them stronger, and i've generally noticed a higher defense with my protectra 5 compared to protect 5. being said... it sucks for brds they can't cast out side of party, but for what you can do in your party is very good.

True indeed. Its not that I want it to be done, its just that I wish it could be done. Thinking outside the box, even a little it seems is ill-advised apparently, but I just want to help.

sure it CAN be done...but mainly this thread is definitely you rationalizing it SHOULD be done.... its not you "thinking outside the box..." come on now mate... everybody here is giving you clear reasons why it shouldn't be done... your logic about "people being able to hear songs" is just....well come on, its rather silly don't you think? ya think SE didn't think of that in the almost 10 years this game has been around? clearly it wasn't implemented for logical reasons, and some of the people here have stated some pretty good ones

I understand this, but brd would be overpowered if it were to actually be able to cast on other parties with it's AOE songs. If you could Piantissimo (sp?) I don't think it would be over powered though.

This is only true in the case of a merited whm's Protectra V and shellra V. Protectra, II, III and IV do not get those bonuses. The only advantage for non merited ra spells is that it is the same mp cost for being able to buff several people. Cast time is a bit higher as well.

Initial Protectra V does 60 def and each merit over the first gives you 2 extra def which gives a total of 8 more def and is generally considered useless since most prefer other Group 2 merit choices.

Shellra on the other hand provides a set -MDT which takes a percent out of the damage a spell deals to your party. It starts as a set 24.2% reduction with one merit and increases by .8% with each merit capping at a total of 27.34%. With the high numbers nuke damage can do, this seemingly small amount can add up quickly. Unlike 8 points of def.

I conformed to that fact but just because you keep on suggesting that is my only logic dont make you right. I even agreed with the troubadour suggestion but you still felt the need to just go off of that 1 thing alone. Whats the point of beating a dead horse, especially when all you want to do is insult me? Am i right?

Shut up Xen dont remind them! xD

Pianissimo, not troubadour.

Learn your job.

Please don't use Carol 2's and Scherzos outside of very specific situations.

95% of the time your party (Including mages) are benefiting from marches more than ballads, mambos, <insert any song here>

Maybe drop a ballad III on a BLM if he's HMPing.

Both... learn to read. Btw are saying i dont know my job? How would you know? If it is form these forums please refer to 1st quote.

I was insulting? Well I don't think I called you any particular names mate, but I'm sorry if you got offended..... And people also said that letting them pianissimo, would be kind of pointless, honestly...just get a 2nd brd.... *shrug* oh well...whatever mate... just sayin, that other people have clearly stated why this shouldn't be, and you think I was the one that was being insulting? sorry man, if you got offended by me...

dont worry about me, i got this... you do you.

Do you really want me to list off the many reasons I have for telling you to learn your job?

I wasnt offended by you, idk who was insulting the name. no need to apologize im not bothered or offended.

I'm sorry, I naturally have an aversion to bards being an unique snowflake in lieu of using tried and tested methods.

I have no idea what your problem is except you really just like to hear yourself talk. I dont care what you do, but since you keep sniffing my ***, you might as well kiss it and tell me what flavor it is while your at it. Push on guy or whatever you call yourself.

I'll take it you don't want to hear my many reasons for telling you why you're doing it wrong then.