Square Enix Working On Yet Another MMO

... I kind of liked 13s battle system. I'm not saying its the best, but it wasn't bad. I liked being able to mindlessly farm mobs by spamming 'X button'.

They shouldve instead improved FFXI and added actually new content and more graphics.....instead of making a whole new f***ing MMO that they took NO time to work on and took NONE of the opinions of actual consumers...If they did HALF of the s**t we suggest on FFXI it would be the most popular pay for play MMO on the market today...yet...SE doesnt like money obviously so they just want to make a s***y free MMO that takes a million or so dollars to generate..compared to the MMO they already have that generates its own costs to run EVERY MONTH that people LIKE!

/rant off

makes me think SE doesnt know how to run a buisness :/

I don't know why everyone thinks ffxiv sucks so much. Post 1.18 or 1.19 I think it's going to be ready for me.


It's gone from not playable to playable. just not quite as fun yet. But the final 2 fixes are in the works.

FFXI controls IE arrow keys unlocked.
Auto-attack.

Sold!

Also, in interviews they explained that FFXI took 5 years to break even. Well going on 9 years guess what it's making money, not lossing money. Lets think about how much a mmo really cost to run once it's live. DND online is pay and free to play. And there are enough people that are playing the pay to cover all the cost of the game. There are 100's of free to play mmos. once a game is on the market it's cost to keep it going is power, replacement servers, network connections.

OK 3500 people online on weekends on shiva.

3500 x 12.95 = 45,325.00 x 16 server
$725,200 the mules would cover server without that many people paying monthly.

So SE is recurring money is $725,200 per month. There is now way in hell that FFXI cost $725,200/month to run. Guess what it's making money.

It's worth tring to setup 2-3 mmos. Recurring income vs one time shots of $65, what makes more sense?

The ones people know about are FFXI, FFXIV, wakfu
But there are also, Cross Gate, and Fantasy Earth: Zero.
People talk about FFXIV as SE second go as a mmo. and it's not. IT's there 4th go at one. They dropped the ball, But it's been out for about 1/2 a year and it's so much better, then release. People talk about FFXI being so great and solid when it came out, but it was out in JP for a year before NA got it lots of time to clean up stuff.

I only hope that SE learns something from FFXIV launch. In this day and age. with the game being about that recurring free. All MMO regradless who makes it, at this point should be no more then $20 which is DVD, Book, random other items. 1 month free. and go from there.

I truely think FFXIV ruined itself on the first impression area really.

FFXI did have that year of JP play only and the JP players gave critiques and everything and THEY ACTUALLY LISTENED. With FFXIV...they had suck content and an unplayable game...and after a few months they are JUST NOW fixing it apparently....but if they had actually listened to their players in beta testing the game wouldntve gotten that stigma on its name AT ALL. In fact, people wouldve doen a MASS exodus from FFXI to go play FFXIV and theyd be getting double or even a one hundred fold pay out than FFXI because people would willingly pay the $15.00+ 1/mule.


SE just killed itself with FFXIV and i think they are trying to go the blizzard route and create a gold mine MMO that burns a hole in your wallet a month but is still attractive to play. However, they are not Blizzard...and Final Fantasy is not Warcraft.

if the Create-a-char is like 14

they'll score

Iff they take every good quality from every game theyve ever made and make it into one MMO...theyd get LOTS AND LOTS of money.

Thank God for that..

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I don't agree.. I personally find it cheap when they just redo the same game over.. I play a new game, I want new stuff, not just old ***prettied up with new graphics.

I hate to sound like I'm stereotyping a culture, but if S-E is seriously considering producing another MMO now, that's just plain blind Japanese pride and stubbornness.

The MMO market is saturated, totally. WoW is a mammoth and practically invulnerable to losing its players to other newer MMO games. The number of subscribers for FFXI/FFXIV, Aion, and Everquest, etc. all-together combined is dwarfed by WoW. The worldwide economy is in an extended recession. Japan's economy specifically will be reeling for a while following the natural disasters there recently. People have so many viable free or nearly-free options for gaming these days, that it's going to be a really hard sell to get new customers hooked on any new monthly MMO game subscriptions in the future.

I pretty much think anything S-E says publicly right now is just that ... a publicity stunt. They're just trying to keep themselves newsworthy so they can continue cashing in on stuff they've already made. If S-E is seriously considering undergoing the development, design, marketing, and production costs of another MMO .... they might as well just chop off both legs and both arms instead. It would be a swifter, less painful demise.

lol...but i mean...if they put their best old system stuff in one game...and then added some orgasmicly awesome new stuf into it....who wouldnt buy the game? or at the most pay a subscription fee for such awesomeness?

Maybe it's gunna be more japanese based than for NA

Not enough subscribers in one country to justify the development and production costs for the quality of MMO that would be demanded by MMO players.

maybe they can pay off china to convert all its populus into RMT...thatd be 3billionish people with paying accounts...and then they are only making it more potent for SE..cause SE gets a cut from all RMT activity (we know this is true >_>).

Just put big boob anime characters, im sure they'll get a few trillion accounts

While they're at it, just make an interactive system for having sex.. That'll bring in an extra few billion accounts.

^this...totally this....

Damn...the true genius idea to totally this about was just a few seconds slower about posting ;_;

I'm almost positive there's a game out there already
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The reception of increased difficulty in wow comes to mind.

There are competing opinions about changes in all mmos, some people are impressed by the changes, some indifferent, some disappointed. The people who want change will always speak the loudest, and be heard the most. But that doesn't mean that the players themselves are hypocritical. Different people can be heard through the changes, and people suggesting change don't always get the change they expect.

There were plenty of changes that I disagreed with in 11. I was genuinely opposed to certain things SE did to 11, more-so than any stupid tweak they made to wow. Yet, I would still say 11 is my all-time favorite mmo that I have played, despite all the grievances I've had with it.

Really 14 is an example of the whole process gone horribly awry. The majority of beta testers told SE something was seriously wrong, and there was something seriously wrong. It was a unified front of the player base saying something needed to be done, and when it wasn't, the whole thing blew up in SE's face.

14 made (helped make) me bitter with SE. I don't see this as a contradiction.

About your first point; FFXI is in it's twilight as an MMO. While a graphical upgrade would be nice, it's also years overdue. The fact that they still compliment PS2 users as well more or less handcuffs what they can add both content wise, and cosmetically.

Also, about your second point, FFXIV was first mentioned all the way back in 2005. It's not like they didn't put time and effort into it. Cost-wise, you stated that it cost "a million or so dollars", so i'm going to assume that you know next to nothing about the cost of producing an MMO. To put it in perspective, WoW was stated to cost roughly 40 Million dollars to produce IIRC, and Star Wars: The Old Republic is already stated as being more than 100 Million dollars.

I will say that you probably hit the nail on the head when you stated that SE flat out refused to listen to the beta tester's, and consumer's suggestions. They really dropped the ball. IIRC they mentioned something about wanting to test the game for more than the 4 months FFXI was beta'd. The beta period only lasted for about 2 months, with breaks in between. To sum it up, i'll just say what everyone now already knows, they released a polished turd that was made to look nice on the outside, but really, really stunk on the inside.

One thing I don't get is, that they are telling us that there is no time for a ff7 remake, but creating another mmo...hello?!

SE prints out money!!!

Did they turn around and burn it all to account for this years losses? :p

I don't really know how much it takes to make a game, and I don't know how much games make after they are released so this is basically a question.

I read that it took 5 years for FFXI to break even. I would say that it probably took 5 years to develop as well. So 10 years.

Would they not make more money making offline games (and more of them, maybe 2 ore 3? IDK)? Or are the benefits of an online game better after you break even.

ign reports it too

That is because FFVII was terrible. Leave bad games alone.

http://uk.kotaku.com/5800175/world-of-warcraft-suffers-post+cataclysmic-drop-in-subscriptions

Why are you so desperate for a VII remake?

It's not ever going to happen.

I finally played 7 a year ago or so... I didn't get what all the hype was about.. The game play wasn't exactly engaging, the story line didn't draw you in, the graphics are for the most part laughable, even for a game of it's era..

I have no idea why people are always holding that game up like it changed gaming, or was a miracle game..

I was more engaged in an old Sega game (again, something I played years upon years after it was first released).. Shining Force.

Nostalgia/first experiences can make people pretty crazy.

Regardless of what anyone feels about FF7, it's clear they no longer have the key resources and members available at hand for a reasonable remake.

We'll just end up with some pretentious grimdark crap, cutting out anything remotely funny and enjoyable for the sake of OMG SO DEEP N' BADAZZ.