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Claiming FFXI experience on a Federal resume
 Carbuncle.Sevourn
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9481
By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-04-23 16:33:33
Gilgamesh.Hunewearl said: Ragnarok.Kurty said: Has anyone ever claimed FFXI experience for a federal or high profile job resume? This game requires/required a lot of teamwork (much more so pre-aby), focus/attention span, communication, patience, social networking, coordinating, reciprocating favors/help and more to complete a lot of the goals/missions/kill NMs and more. These are valuable career skills! Well, yes, it's a very good idea to use this kind of experience depending on the job you are applying for. That being said, your experience with FFXI is rather poor and doesn't mean much. 333 days of Playtime is litterally nothing especially presented like this. Let's say the guy reading your CV is a guy that has spent the past 7 years playing FFXI and various other online games, you'll need some serious examples. Even more serious examples if the guy is a total stranger to the thing and the few lines you give aren't accurate enough.
ahahahaha
do you know the odds that your interviewer for a government job is going to be a 7 year xi player?
what he's going to think is that you're an mmo addict who has completely lost touch with reality, and that they don't want to hire someone who is essentially pulling a second shift when they get home.
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Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
Posts: 6558
By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-04-23 16:36:17
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
ahahahaha
... and that they don't want to hire someone who is essentially pulling a second shift when they get home.
Well, they would if it was for them.
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Carbuncle.Sevourn
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9481
By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-04-23 16:40:02
Odin.Zicdeh said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
ahahahaha
do you know the odds that your interviewer for a government job is going to be a 7 year xi player?
... and that they don't want to hire someone who is essentially pulling a second shift when they get home.
Well, they would if it was for them.
i think that from a non-mmo players perspective, that the odds that a 1000ish day player is going to suddenly quit mmos and focus every bit of that energy into their job are, well...
low enough that you're going to take a pass on hiring them
this issue looks a lot different from the outside looking in, and there are a lot more people on the outside than there are on the inside
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Carbuncle.Sevourn
Server: Carbuncle
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9481
By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-04-23 16:54:47
in the end, whether ffxi experience is actually helpful is somewhat beside the point, and it comes down to a simple risk vs. reward assesment
best case scenario: interviewer is an xi player, and sees your shell leading experience as, well... ...what? how many shells that have accomplished a lot have been led by sociopaths? so... limited upside
worst case scenario: your interviewer thinks the internet is a fad, games are a waste of time and for 5-year-olds, and thinks obama is ruining the country(i ran into a lot more of these guys than the previous type) he puts your resume in the shredder. very high downside.
so, small chance of a limited upside, large chance of a very big downside.
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Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 25
By Ragnarok.Miraeldito 2011-04-23 17:20:17
Ragnarok.Kurty said:
I’ve played this game for 8,000 some hours with most of the play time starting around 1 year before aby
well I dont know if someone already noticed that...
but 8000 hrs of game play starting 1hr prior to abyssea release means 8k hrs in about 2 yrs.
1 year is = 8760hrs
well, i work in HR and have some experience in R&S...
Im not in the US ok, but considering spendig almost half of your life on a MMORPG as a good reference I guess is not a good option...
 Leviathan.Hohenheim
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
Posts: 3351
By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2011-04-23 17:41:18
No, it carries a bad image. It doesn't matter mostly (imo) about what you know and what you can do. It's all about who you know and how you image yourself to other people.
The world is a judgmental place. How you look is everything. People think video games looks bad, it has a negative stereotype (fat and lazy). So no, I sure wouldn't put it down.
Ragnarok.Kurty
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
Posts: 8
By Ragnarok.Kurty 2011-04-23 17:52:37
Thanks for the feedback! Some great points were brought up.
FYI I'm going to be applying for a seasonal interpretive park ranger job (and try to work my way to a coveted permanent position). I had an internship at a monument in the Fall, applied for a grad program starting next Fall and I'm currently volunteering (housing and small stipend provided) to give tours of some cliff dwellings way out in BFE.
I have some BS prepared for the time gap (but that is another story).
So I'll either be boring and talk about my hobbies being computers, hiking, reading and such...
OR
I'll include the online teamwork thing (in addition to above) and then if asked I'll explain it in universal terms like... I played an online Japanese game with missions and powerful monsters that could only be defeated with teamwork. If they were still interested I'd add that each person had a job like healer, attacker or support and had to cooperate.
Also... if I'm stationed in the middle of nowhere... I get tired of hiking the same trails and they have internet then I'd be less likely to quit out of boredom :-P
Leviathan.Draylo
Server: Leviathan
Game: FFXI
By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-04-23 17:58:13
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 Gilgamesh.Hunewearl
Server: Gilgamesh
Game: FFXI
Posts: 167
By Gilgamesh.Hunewearl 2011-04-23 19:01:02
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Gilgamesh.Hunewearl said: Ragnarok.Kurty said: Has anyone ever claimed FFXI experience for a federal or high profile job resume? This game requires/required a lot of teamwork (much more so pre-aby), focus/attention span, communication, patience, social networking, coordinating, reciprocating favors/help and more to complete a lot of the goals/missions/kill NMs and more. These are valuable career skills! Well, yes, it's a very good idea to use this kind of experience depending on the job you are applying for. That being said, your experience with FFXI is rather poor and doesn't mean much. 333 days of Playtime is litterally nothing especially presented like this. Let's say the guy reading your CV is a guy that has spent the past 7 years playing FFXI and various other online games, you'll need some serious examples. Even more serious examples if the guy is a total stranger to the thing and the few lines you give aren't accurate enough.
ahahahaha
do you know the odds that your interviewer for a government job is going to be a 7 year xi player?
what he's going to think is that you're an mmo addict who has completely lost touch with reality, and that they don't want to hire someone who is essentially pulling a second shift when they get home. That would be the case if you are so smart in explaining things that you explain it the way you just explained.
If you can't put in light one of your hobbies to make it sound as a real experience, then you don't know how to apply to a job to begin with.
Also which part in "depending on the job you are applying for" did you not understand? :<
@OP: Now that you mentioned the job you are applying for, bad idea. It's in no way related :/
 Lakshmi.Hewison
Server: Lakshmi
Game: FFXI
Posts: 376
By Lakshmi.Hewison 2011-04-23 19:31:46
Cerberus.Tidis said: Without sounding harsh about anything but what kind of position in gamestation was it? Because the typical behind the counter job at gamestation surely doesn't require the greatest CV.
Both were just the usual counter type jobs I believe, after all they were part time. RL friend also applied for something managerment related too but tbh I think he's just trying to boast - he's that kinda guy if you know what I mean, heh.
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 42
By Asura.Speckledomega 2011-04-23 20:13:42
Dude, seriously, save yourself that kind of embarassment and don't list your off-work hobby as a bullet on your resume. Doesn't matter what you did in the game or how you word it. The fact remains that it's a video game and no one is going to take that seriously.
Even a video game company wouldn't take it seriously. Even if anyone did, what makes you special from the other thousands of players that have led events?
Just because you can lead an 18-man Abyssea party doesn't prove that you're worth a GS-9 salary.
I've lead several alliances. But I'm still a retard in real life.
Good lol though, I'll give you that.
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Quetzalcoatl.Mintpudding
Server: Quetzalcoatl
Game: FFXI
Posts: 171
By Quetzalcoatl.Mintpudding 2011-04-23 20:26:15
The second the interviewer reads the words "monster, attacker or healer" it'll be over... It's one thing if you were going for a game industry job and were able to relate your experiences into actual job situations... like learning how to make a better MMO or what the good points of that game were and why they were successful or the system architecture that makes it scalable...
...but for teamwork... I'm not even sure a game or software company would take "I ran alliances and an LS"... it doesn't even compare to leading a team of people or coordinating them in the real world.
To make it simple... do you honestly believe that putting MMO experience on a resume gives even a 10% better chance at getting that particular job? Probably not... if there is even a doubt in your mind it's probably best to leave it off.
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I searched the threads and didn't see this topic addressed... forgive me if a great thread on it already exists somewhere.
Has anyone ever claimed FFXI experience for a federal or high profile job resume? This game requires/required a lot of teamwork (much more so pre-aby), focus/attention span, communication, patience, social networking, coordinating, reciprocating favors/help and more to complete a lot of the goals/missions/kill NMs and more. These are valuable career skills!
I’ve played this game for 8,000 some hours with most of the play time starting around 1 year before aby and spent a lot of time in an endgame event shell and camped/killed KV many times. Among many other things I also coordinated a shout for a couple T3 aby VNMs and got myself and everyone else atma of the beyond and atma of the siren shadow (I just wanted the ocelot trousers)… not the MOST impressive thing ever but juggling tells with 18 random strangers, quickly forming an alliance, communicating the plan and having it all go smoothly demonstrates some desirable job skills.
So, I was thinking of writing something like…
Online teamwork: July 2009 to March 2011
Belonged to an online organization that regularly met to achieve various complicated goals
-Gathered and coordinated a group of 17 strangers to quickly and smoothly meet an objective on multiple occasions.
-Demonstrated teamwork, communication, patience, and focus.
Any other ideas or suggestions?
Oh, and just to be clear I’m not ONLY citing FFXI skills for the resume, I’m just brainstorming how to cite the skills I developed to further support a resume for something like “Volunteer coordinator.”
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