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 Valefor.Prothescar
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-05-11 15:44:24
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Since it appears I'm significantly stunted in my ability to observe common information, thoughts? I can't really think of many upgrades to this set. Will get alcide+1 boots/hands when I can but as of right now they're too expensive for the slight bonus they give, and I cannot afford them.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-05-11 15:49:25
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The earring? Can use a aesir ear pendant.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-05-11 15:54:24
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Balls, can't believe I hadn't thought of that already. @_@ Though I seem to miss hits relatively often, so the extra ACC from suppa is kinda welcome.. hmm.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-05-11 15:55:34
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Can also spam the one quest that gives jupiter ring with + atk on it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2011-05-11 15:56:21
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This is mine.

I'm on the fence about Alcides+1 Feet atm. And of course when I ever make an Jupiter's Pearl It'll replace the NQ.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-05-11 16:01:03
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Would a +3DEX earring even beat atk? D: Was unsure about that myself.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2011-05-11 16:43:31
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I'm thinking now that Crit hit DMG's cap has been raised to 100% I think so.
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-05-11 16:45:26
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If you can only afford one set of gear for blu which is better to fulltime, teal or aurore? With an almace
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-05-11 17:18:10
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Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie said:
I'm thinking now that Crit hit DMG's cap has been raised to 100% I think so.

I thought dDEX was unaffected?

I'll pretend Fondue is trolling.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-05-11 17:19:25
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Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie said:
I'm thinking now that Crit hit DMG's cap has been raised to 100% I think so.
That has nothing to do with which is better.

If pDIF is capped, you need acc, or critrate is uncapped, Jupiter's Pearl would win. Otherwise, Aesir's about the same in per-WS damage with a slight advantage overall due to Conserve TP.

EDIT: Actually, if acc is uncapped Suppa is likely your best bet.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-05-11 17:23:39
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Okay thanks, guessing the rest of my equipment is ok then? Really strapped for finding any upgrades really, though my neck piece feels kinda iffy. I've been advised to use Kubira beads but D:
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-05-11 17:54:49
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Valefor.Prothescar said:
Okay thanks, guessing the rest of my equipment is ok then? Really strapped for finding any upgrades really, though my neck piece feels kinda iffy. I've been advised to use Kubira beads but D:
The only change I'd really push for would be the offhand tbh (Shamshir +2). I'm debating whether or not to actually get Alcide's Leggings +1 as they're fairly close to Lithe Boots, which I'm also using for Benthic Typhoon... I like Alcide's Mitts +1 but I'm also satcheling a couple piece of gear and making concessions in various builds. It depends on where you want to make your sacrifices.
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-05-11 18:34:38
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I am lost on what offhand sword to make, str shamshir? would like to keep sword trials to a minimum but if the double attack sword is "that good"..
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By Siren.Kyte 2011-05-11 18:37:05
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It really isn't.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-05-11 19:08:46
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Valefor.Prothescar said:
Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie said:
I'm thinking now that Crit hit DMG's cap has been raised to 100% I think so.
I thought dDEX was unaffected?

I'll pretend Fondue is trolling.
Crit hit dmg doesn't have to do with dDex... but idk I've been hearing they raised the cap on crit rate from dDex... which they vaguely alluded to in the notes
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-05-11 19:13:36
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They didn't, they just upped the total critrate cap.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-05-11 19:20:31
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What about the people that were talking about much higher than expected crit rates? Eyeballing or something?
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-05-11 20:01:37
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BLU thread, potential HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE question etc, has anyone looked into RDM sets?
I was thinking in something like this:

edit: offhand could be anything, I just picked justice for lulz
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-05-11 20:02:26
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Valefor.Prothescar said:
Okay thanks, guessing the rest of my equipment is ok then? Really strapped for finding any upgrades really, though my neck piece feels kinda iffy. I've been advised to use Kubira beads but D:
The only change I'd really push for would be the offhand tbh (Shamshir +2). I'm debating whether or not to actually get Alcide's Leggings +1 as they're fairly close to Lithe Boots, which I'm also using for Benthic Typhoon... I like Alcide's Mitts +1 but I'm also satcheling a couple piece of gear and making concessions in various builds. It depends on where you want to make your sacrifices.

I already have a DEX and STR shamshir, but I was under the impression that DA Khanda was best @@
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-05-11 20:08:09
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Valefor.Prothescar said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Valefor.Prothescar said:
Okay thanks, guessing the rest of my equipment is ok then? Really strapped for finding any upgrades really, though my neck piece feels kinda iffy. I've been advised to use Kubira beads but D:
The only change I'd really push for would be the offhand tbh (Shamshir +2). I'm debating whether or not to actually get Alcide's Leggings +1 as they're fairly close to Lithe Boots, which I'm also using for Benthic Typhoon... I like Alcide's Mitts +1 but I'm also satcheling a couple piece of gear and making concessions in various builds. It depends on where you want to make your sacrifices.

I already have a DEX and STR shamshir, but I was under the impression that DA Khanda was best @@
recently heard str was better than DA :o
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-05-11 20:17:53
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
What about the people that were talking about much higher than expected crit rates? Eyeballing or something?
I can only assume so. I did two tests with sample sizes over 4k, one in Abyssea with RR/Apoc/A&O and another overnight vs Hpemde with a dDEX of 73. Both results were in line with expected values (55%, 25%). Byrth said he got normal results using RR/GH.

Phoenix.Fredjan said:
BLU thread, potential HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE question etc, has anyone looked into RDM sets?
I was thinking in something like this:

edit: offhand could be anything, I just picked justice for lulz
I looked into it a while back and aside from my set using Ferox Visor or Maestria Mask since my MKD hat is tied up elsewhere I believe our sets were identical. Possible variation would be Tarasque Mitts +1.

Valefor.Prothescar said:
I already have a DEX and STR shamshir, but I was under the impression that DA Khanda was best @@
STR should be equal to ~5% ahead vs DA in most cases before accounting for spell damage. If acc matters DEX is easily the best offhand.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-05-11 20:34:43
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Interesting. I'd assumed the extra ODD DoT would make up for it, but I guess not D: 33% DA with the sword seemed kinda neat. STR sword it is.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-05-11 20:39:59
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What atmas are you assuming for that night?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-05-11 20:43:32
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Valefor.Prothescar said:
Interesting. I'd assumed the extra ODD DoT would make up for it, but I guess not D: 33% DA with the sword seemed kinda neat. STR sword it is.
The higher delay on DA offsets the advantage from the DA+10%. If DA was 230 delay like the Shamshir +2 then DA would easily beat STR for melee damage. If you're not /NIN it is a bit closer since the high delay is less detrimental (you're not at/below that 180 delay threshold).
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-05-11 20:44:18
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
What atmas are you assuming for that night?
Think it was RR/GH/Apoc inside Abyssea but I also compared it outside Abyssea under various scenarios. This was pre-update though, I don't know enough about atmacite to give any results in Voidwatch yet.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-05-11 20:46:35
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Yeah cause thinking about using SS now... but to get rid of gh or apoc decisions decisions.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-05-11 20:49:04
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A&O was a bit ahead of GH anyway iirc, though epeen BT damage on self-SC is nice. I just like it for the reduced TP feed and not lowering my HP. SS, idk.
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By Kerayu2 2011-05-17 11:14:25
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Only had my almace 85 for a few days, but been using RR, SS, A&O and have been happy with it so far, but my acc seems to be off since I'm seeing a fair bit of 7~10% returns. With 16% tp return I see as high as 4600~5.2k, but this was on buffalo in Abys - Ule. Range which I think has a weakness to slashing being I haven't seen a 5k+ since on anything else I've fought.

GH I wasn't too happy with, and I use Apoc only if I need to have Reraise. With SS and A&O there is no HP loss since the +hp cancels the -HP.

Also after Update, crit rate does seem to either be higher that 50% or uncapped now. Since I don't have an updated parser I don't have anything conclusive, but having nearly unending crits is not something I saw in abyssea prior to update.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-05-17 11:56:39
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The only increase in critrate you're experiencing is the extra 1% in merits. Your critrate inside Abyssea with just RR is 55%.

EDIT: However, CDC does have an innate critrate bonus. That's always been there though.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-05-17 11:59:09
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Kerayu2 said:
Only had my almace 85 for a few days, but been using RR, SS, A&O and have been happy with it so far, but my acc seems to be off since I'm seeing a fair bit of 7~10% returns. With 16% tp return I see as high as 4600~5.2k, but this was on buffalo in Abys - Ule. Range which I think has a weakness to slashing being I haven't seen a 5k+ since on anything else I've fought.

Naw, CdC is just that beastly >:3
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