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Chant du Cygne worth it for BLU?
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-14 16:38:51
Would make sense to me if they didn't do that... I mean a ws that can use 6 different gorgets crazy
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By Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate 2011-04-19 19:47:04
question im working on Shamshir +2 str path and was wondering does it matter if u main hand Almace over Shamshir +2?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-04-19 19:47:33
Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said: question im working on Shamshir +2 str path and was wondering does it matter if u main hand Almace over Shamshir +2? What?
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By Unicorn.Leoheart 2011-04-19 19:51:07
Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said: question im working on Shamshir +2 str path and was wondering does it matter if u main hand Almace over Shamshir +2?
Why would you not want to main hand almace?
To answer your question though, no it doesnt matter what hand your weapon's in, just as long as it's equipped.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-04-19 19:55:52
Unicorn.Leoheart said: Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said: question im working on Shamshir +2 str path and was wondering does it matter if u main hand Almace over Shamshir +2?
Why would you not want to main hand almace?
To answer your question though, no it doesnt matter what hand your weapon's in, just as long as it's equipped. You don't get the WS (and thus no aftermath obviously) if you offhand the weapon, just the 10/15 DEX.
By Shiva.Khimaira 2011-04-19 19:56:59
Unicorn.Leoheart said: Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said: question im working on Shamshir +2 str path and was wondering does it matter if u main hand Almace over Shamshir +2?
Why would you not want to main hand almace?
To answer your question though, no it doesnt matter what hand your weapon's in, just as long as it's equipped.
I think he's asking if he can mainhand Shamshir +2, because it has 1 more base damage (than 85 Almace). No, for weaponskills exclusive to the weapon, they are required to be in your mainhand to gain access to the weaponskill.
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By Unicorn.Leoheart 2011-04-19 19:57:27
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Unicorn.Leoheart said: Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said: question im working on Shamshir +2 str path and was wondering does it matter if u main hand Almace over Shamshir +2?
Why would you not want to main hand almace?
To answer your question though, no it doesnt matter what hand your weapon's in, just as long as it's equipped. You don't get the WS (and thus no aftermath obviously) if you offhand the weapon, just the 10/15 DEX. Well I meant for the actual Trials mainly, but this ^ pretty much.
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By Cerberus.Ciecle 2011-04-19 19:59:41
Quote: Why would you not want to main hand almace?
To answer your question though, no it doesnt matter what hand your weapon's in, just as long as it's equipped. To disagree with the statement above, it does matter in which hand you have the sword equipped. Unless you have Almace80, The sword MUST be in the main hand for the aftermath/ws to be offered.(I would provide ss to prove, but meh.)
edit: bleh someone else got to it before I... Lol but yeah... what was said above.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2011-04-19 20:01:21
Is there any self SCs worth making with CdC other than Fusion with Goblin Rush or Darkness with Benthic Typhoon?
Right now I just use CA + Efflux for Vanity Dive because Fusion's dmg has been pretty meh, and Benthic Typhoon is conal AoE I don't mind it just gets annoying sometimes.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-04-19 20:02:03
Shiva.Khimaira said: Unicorn.Leoheart said: Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said: question im working on Shamshir +2 str path and was wondering does it matter if u main hand Almace over Shamshir +2?
Why would you not want to main hand almace?
To answer your question though, no it doesnt matter what hand your weapon's in, just as long as it's equipped.
I think he's asking if he can mainhand Shamshir +2, because it has 1 more base damage (than 85 Almace). No, for weaponskills exclusive to the weapon, they are required to be in your mainhand to gain access to the weaponskill. 85 Almace is D57 to Shamshir +2's D54. I guess if you were using 80 Almace (D52), but... why would you use 80 Almace?
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By Cerberus.Ciecle 2011-04-19 20:05:07
Quote: Is there any self SCs worth making with CdC other than Fusion with Goblin Rush or Darkness with Benthic Typhoon?
Right now I just use CA + Efflux for Vanity Dive because Fusion's dmg has been pretty meh, and Benthic Typhoon is conal AoE I don't mind it just gets annoying sometimes. Cdc is darkness? It makes Light with most other weaponskills....
edit: wow my bad... Distortion part of darkness etc... ._.
that and i forgot about relic ws properties...
light > light = light
darkness > darkness = darkness
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2011-04-19 20:05:58
Benthic closes Darkness with CdC
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By Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate 2011-04-19 20:10:29
Unicorn.Leoheart said: Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said: question im working on Shamshir +2 str path and was wondering does it matter if u main hand Almace over Shamshir +2?
Why would you not want to main hand almace?
To answer your question though, no it doesnt matter what hand your weapon's in, just as long as it's equipped.
i asked cuz a few ppl posted their WS sets and almace is off hand maybe its just how ffxiah is
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By Bismarck.Kyaaadaa 2011-04-19 20:34:19
Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said: Unicorn.Leoheart said: Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said: question im working on Shamshir +2 str path and was wondering does it matter if u main hand Almace over Shamshir +2? Why would you not want to main hand almace? To answer your question though, no it doesnt matter what hand your weapon's in, just as long as it's equipped. i asked cuz a few ppl posted their WS sets and almace is off hand maybe its just how ffxiah is Pretty sure that's juat FFXIAH, I have problems with the same when dual weapons, earrings, or rings (because those matter to me!)
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2011-04-19 21:12:10
Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said:
i asked cuz a few ppl posted their WS sets and almace is off hand maybe its just how ffxiah is
That's just how FFXIAH is.
By Aisha 2011-04-25 18:19:50
was wondering if anyone could show some pics of CDC's dmg outside abyssea with different gear sets or give some examples, ty
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-25 19:52:15
Aisha said: was wondering if anyone could show some pics of CDC's dmg outside abyssea with different gear sets or give some examples, ty I don't have any pics on me but soloing random stuff like Wotg missions or limbus I tend to get around 1.8-2.4kish. Kinda dissapointing
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-04-28 00:30:59
What kind of test set up would be required to confirm if a light gorget works for CDC? It is what I currently use and I'd be a little more than pissed off if it has been doing no good this entire time...
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2011-04-28 00:51:53
I have seen a PLD with it. I wants for my PLD!!
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By Bismarck.Rinkydink 2011-04-28 01:37:12
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: What kind of test set up would be required to confirm if a light gorget works for CDC? It is what I currently use and I'd be a little more than pissed off if it has been doing no good this entire time...
theres the completely naked test...
use the WS x aamount of times (say 50) without any gear
then repeat with the neck piece on and see if you notice a difference in WS
then try with a different neck piece etc. (just make sure you WS with same tp on all tests)
you then should have enough data to work out a good avg.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2011-04-28 01:58:18
Seeing as chant's a crit ws, you can ignore the tp value if you go /thf and SA ws.
I'd also want to use a lvl 0 mob. The higher dmg should make the ftp change more visible. Capped fstr and atk would(I think) make the dmg range a bit more stable. And, each ws would always one-shot the mob removing the mutli-hit variable from the equation, and closing the dmg range further.
The biggest issue at this point, would just be getting tp in a place where there's lvl 0 mobs. One-shotting itty bitty mobs for each hit of tp is pretty annoying.
I think what I would do is, go to an area like east ronfaure and pop T1 VNMs and tp on them. Then SA WS on the nearby lvl 0 mobs. Assuming you don't have any issues holding a T1 VNM, this should work alright.
Or find a cor or sch friend and chill with some regain up.
I don't really know what kinda sample size you'd need for an accurate test. I'm not really that mathy. I think this sorta test got alot more difficult back around the 2Hander update when they screwed with the melee dmg randomizer.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2011-04-28 08:00:15
Well. Hurray for insomnia. I went ahead and tested Chant with and without light gorget.
Out of 25 ws without the gorget, the high was 973. The calculated max dmg for a 1 hit chant without gorget is 980. So that seems pretty spot on.
In 30 ws With the gorget, the high was 1014. Btw, calc'd max with +0.1 to ftp would be 1020.
So yeah. Light gorget will work on Light SC property WS, not just on transfixion or fusion.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-04-28 08:30:14
Ragnarok.Martel said: Well. Hurray for insomnia. I went ahead and tested Chant with and without light gorget. Out of 25 ws without the gorget, the high was 973. The calculated max dmg for a 1 hit chant without gorget is 980. So that seems pretty spot on. In 30 ws With the gorget, the high was 1014. Btw, calc'd max with +0.1 to ftp would be 1020. So yeah. Light gorget will work on Light SC property WS, not just on transfixion or fusion.
I thought this was widely accepted, since like.... ever.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2011-04-28 08:48:14
There's been alot of debate about it on and off on BG. Way back in the day, it was proven that a breeze gorget wouldn't work with a light property, which was sorta at odds with how gorgets seemed to work.
Since, for example, a fusion property would work with light and fire gorgets, it was thought that any of the 4 light based elemental gorgets should work with a light property. As a light SC is composed of those four elements. When the breeze test didn't work that some how became "Light/Dark properties don't work with gorgets."
I Thought that a light gorget would work with a Light property, and I'd seen a couple ppl say it did, and some say it didn't, and pretty much no actual testing.
I've been using a Light gorget with chant pretty much since I got it, but it's nice to know for certain that it's doing its job.
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By Sylph.Bodhizapha 2011-04-28 09:05:22
i was told there was some fuss over the light elemental belt as well. as that been sorted out yet?
i've been using a cuchu belt myself, but my pld ls mate swears by the light belt. he also says that unless the gorget and belt match elementally match that they wont work (i'm skeptical thats why i've just stuck with the cuchu) and insight into this?
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-04-28 09:51:47
Ragnarok.Martel said: Well. Hurray for insomnia. I went ahead and tested Chant with and without light gorget.
Out of 25 ws without the gorget, the high was 973. The calculated max dmg for a 1 hit chant without gorget is 980. So that seems pretty spot on.
In 30 ws With the gorget, the high was 1014. Btw, calc'd max with +0.1 to ftp would be 1020.
So yeah. Light gorget will work on Light SC property WS, not just on transfixion or fusion. I can always count on Martel's boredom.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-04-28 09:53:34
Sylph.Bodhizapha said: i was told there was some fuss over the light elemental belt as well. as that been sorted out yet?
i've been using a cuchu belt myself, but my pld ls mate swears by the light belt. he also says that unless the gorget and belt match elementally match that they wont work (i'm skeptical thats why i've just stuck with the cuchu) and insight into this? Only reason the belt is an issue is because there are actually decent belts to compare. If we had a 6 dex 10 attack neck then I'm sure the gorget would be falling out of favor as well.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-28 09:54:50
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: Ragnarok.Martel said: Well. Hurray for insomnia. I went ahead and tested Chant with and without light gorget. Out of 25 ws without the gorget, the high was 973. The calculated max dmg for a 1 hit chant without gorget is 980. So that seems pretty spot on. In 30 ws With the gorget, the high was 1014. Btw, calc'd max with +0.1 to ftp would be 1020. So yeah. Light gorget will work on Light SC property WS, not just on transfixion or fusion. I can always count on Martel's boredom. Yeah if I had a gorget for it I would've done it myself long ago.
You'd be suprised how often I get asked why I'm raping lvl 0 mobs in sarbuta for hours at a time
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2011-04-28 10:00:13
Bahamut.Dasva said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: Ragnarok.Martel said: Well. Hurray for insomnia. I went ahead and tested Chant with and without light gorget. Out of 25 ws without the gorget, the high was 973. The calculated max dmg for a 1 hit chant without gorget is 980. So that seems pretty spot on. In 30 ws With the gorget, the high was 1014. Btw, calc'd max with +0.1 to ftp would be 1020. So yeah. Light gorget will work on Light SC property WS, not just on transfixion or fusion. I can always count on Martel's boredom. Yeah if I had a gorget for it I would've done it myself long ago.
You'd be suprised how often I get asked why I'm raping lvl 0 mobs in sarbuta for hours at a time
Lol, yeah. I got some loooong weird looks from some ppl doing the feast of swords event in East ron. It must have looked pretty strange though, as I had two sunderclaw(T1VNM) following me around punching me in the face. That worked pretty damn well btw. I didn't even need to tp on them, I just let em hit me, and every time SA was up i'd have TP again.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-28 10:18:01
I usually just /sam for ws stuff if I can. Whatever for mage stuff.
I don't have the means to get the actual Emp. weapon, and I've heard some of the new WSes are at least on par with relic WSes. I haven't heard much on the sword WS, so my question is this:
Is this worth getting at all, or should I just work on using Sanguine Blade? I don't have the means to get the actual Emp. weapon.
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