Chant Du Cygne Worth It For BLU?
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Chant du Cygne worth it for BLU?
Wow, I would hope the triple damage proc on regular hits (due to easily capping haste and new martial arts tier?) would at least somewhat contend with the awesomeness of VS, but alas, it seems that WS is the end all. I really hope they do a sideline quest to unlock it for conventional weapons like they did in Nyzul, even if it's a total pain in the ***.
I doubt they will. Their take on the weapon skill alone is the Walk of Echoes weapons. There'd be no point in making a wep specifically for the WS only if they were going to just up and make it available to every weapon.
Here's the weapon rank chart for h2h in abyssea, all factors (including triple dmg proc), included
Quote: Destroyers 245.406 Taipan +1 (no mods, old baseline) 251.139 Taipan +2 (no mods, new baseline) 257.716 Taipan +2 (def down, 30% active) 258.077 Barracudas +2 (WS Dmg) 259.175 Barracudas +2 (15 STP) 259.161 Furor Cesti 260.398 Ursine +2 (OAT/high damage) 257.104 Taipan +2 (fire) 262.787 Taurine Cesti 266.090 Revenant +2 w/A.Fury 266.245 Spharai (90) 304.109 Revenant +2 w/V.Smite 327.825 Verethragna (90) 406.036 Wow, that's ridiculous how much of a landslide it is. I was expecting something at least somewhat behind neck to neck in competitive number pushing but geez... That's just not fair.
I really hope SE does something a lil more to help not leave relic owners feeling slighted. That's just inside abyssea w/ the crit dmg boosts and what not (since Smite is a critical ws). Outside of abyssea, looks more like this (I'd assume 91+ is going to be outside of abyssea, since they said there'd be 3 abyssea expansions)
Quote: Destroyers 124.270 Taipan +1 (no mods, old baseline) 129.538 Furor Cesti 133.029 Taipan +2 (no mods, new baseline) 133.545 Barracudas +2 (15 STP) 134.252 Barracudas +2 (WS Dmg) 134.272 Ursine +2 (OAT/high damage) 136.622 Taipan +2 (def down, 30% active) 137.201 Taurine Cesti 138.025 Taipan +2 (fire) 138.444 Revenant +2 w/Asuran 138.471 Revenant +2 w/V.Smite 145.488 Spharai (90) 163.419 Verethragna (90) 183.739 It's also sad how far ahead of the Walk of Echoes weapon the empyrean pulls. The difference between those two is worse than the difference between destroyers and Spharai.
Lakshmi.Aurilius said: It's also sad how far ahead of the Walk of Echoes weapon the empyrean pulls. The difference between those two is worse than the difference between destroyers and Spharai. Sylph.Tigerwoods said: That's just inside abyssea w/ the crit dmg boosts and what not (since Smite is a critical ws). Outside of abyssea, looks more like this (I'd assume 91+ is going to be outside of abyssea, since they said there'd be 3 abyssea expansions) Quote: Destroyers 124.270 Taipan +1 (no mods, old baseline) 129.538 Furor Cesti 133.029 Taipan +2 (no mods, new baseline) 133.545 Barracudas +2 (15 STP) 134.252 Barracudas +2 (WS Dmg) 134.272 Ursine +2 (OAT/high damage) 136.622 Taipan +2 (def down, 30% active) 137.201 Taurine Cesti 138.025 Taipan +2 (fire) 138.444 Revenant +2 w/Asuran 138.471 Revenant +2 w/V.Smite 145.488 Spharai (90) 163.419 Verethragna (90) 183.739 See those were numbers I was expecting; mainly cause my mind functions in vana'diel without the perception of abyssea at all. But sadly, I think I'd be one of the few to still dink around old school areas. I understand that Tiger. I was just looking at how very little work destroyers takes and how much Spharai takes and comparing that to the WoE/Empyrean equation. The WoE weapon still takes a bit of work, but is so far behind.
Just sad in terms of the work/reward ratio. Get your MNK ***out and post more Chant SS's and info.
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Ragnarok.Lagunabel said: Get your MNK ***out and post more Chant SS's and info. obligatory: Umad? lol calm down bro I mostly got it just cause well I ended up getting alot of coins trying to get my gun/bow but it does start darkness with benthic... which is nice to SA. I imagine nice for dual tanking. And now there is a 2nd superiour dex atma.
Oh and another less impressive screenshot but mind you I'm solo without food and only have WoE+1...  I should be getting this ws for my almace today, (33 sobek skins to go), but i was wondering what a good ws set would be for it. This is the gear that i have that i was going to use. Any suggestions? dex shamshir+2 and the flame ring is +3 dex
Here's what I use.. Also I would say that the Khanda +2 2-4 hit pulls far ahead of any other offhand in terms of TP gain and overall damage.
Hmmm.. some interesting gear there. I do have the khanda+2 oat, so I guess I could use that. I was wondering about that thunder sachet too. How hard is that nm? Have you tested other gear too? Nifty beats out cuchulain's? What about atheling mantle, how would that do? How is your dmg as well? Guess i'll start working on a gorget.
I have no idea how hard the Thunder Sachet NM is, I brewed it along with a few others since its a 100% drop at Altepa lol. The Oat Khanda would be good too, but the TP gain would fall a bit short. Haven't got Atheling so I haven't tried it, I'd imagine that it would be marginally better than Nifty, but overall given my set and its accuracy, Nifty beats Cuchu mantle. My damage I find in Abyssea averages roughly 3k overall.. I do consider a WS under 2.5k a whiffed hit or a crit or two missed.
This weapon skill has definitely changed the way I play BLU. It's made sword swings and weapon skills equal if not better than the damage from spells. Caitsith.Shiroi said: 3k ~ average is about what I get too with almace, having the empy doesn't increase the WS damage by a whole lot overall but one thing for sure it increases your dot by a lot. I wouldn't say by a lot for a dual wielded weapon, but there's definitely an increase there. After seeing a friend who unlocked his Almace last night, I'm more motivated than ever to unlock this weapon skill. I'm just wondering, which are the best Hand piece for this WS? Assuming VV atma so fSTR is capped that is...
I was thinking Mirage +1 hands, but I'm not too acquanited with DEX in the hand slot... learn to love this site. When it's not down anyways...
Bahamut.Dasva said: learn to love this site. When it's not down anyways... Edit: I know most slots fairly well, the only thing that was even optimal for DEX onry was the back piece. I just got mine today, have yet to test it out due to maintence though. Interested in seeing its potential. I guess I will have to work on an OA4 or OAT sword or so.
Shiva.Khimaira said: After seeing a friend who unlocked his Almace last night, I'm more motivated than ever to unlock this weapon skill. I'm just wondering, which are the best Hand piece for this WS? Assuming VV atma so fSTR is capped that is... I was thinking Mirage +1 hands, but I'm not too acquanited with DEX in the hand slot... EDIT: Jupiter's pearl might beat Aesir, but this is about right for a CDC build with uncapped pDIF. Stalwart's Tonic would encourage a full DEX build, though I'd consider keeping Atheling Mantle. Thunder Satchet is really DEX+2. Leviathan.Draylo said: I just got mine today, have yet to test it out due to maintence though. Interested in seeing its potential. I guess I will have to work on an OA4 or OAT sword or so.
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I've read through and have seen differing opinions. I'm at the stage of the Khanda trial where I start to decide whether to make it a OA2-4 sword or +10% double attack.
At first I thought OA2-4 sword would be best and would be a fun toy to use, but now I'm starting to think otherwise. BLU can easily get 30% Double Attack with that sword(Twilight Belt 2%, Atheling Mantle 3%, Brutal Earring 5%, Job Trait 10%, Sword 10%) while still having other slots for capped haste. This would impact both swords and not have a crappy low damage(and subsequent unnecessary TP feed). EDIT: 33% with Epona's ring for a 1/3 chance of double attacking. Mix that in with capped haste, and dual wield and you're a beast.
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OA2-4 is never going to be the right answer for a physical WS Empyrean. High delay reduces aftermath procs per unit time (not to mention it reduces TP gain, so you're not getting the full benefit) and it has garbage DPS. At least DA affects both hands along with WS damage.
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: Anwig being 4 str/15ws acc and 4dex/2% crit dmg Been thinking about the +10 DA sword, but I think overall OA2-4 sword is still superior by a good gap. Sadly, odds are if there's a blu on a monster it's still considered TP feed no matter which weapon you use =( One thing for sure DA sword would increase the average WS damage. I've noticed on most non-NM monsters, if you use Delta Thrust at the start of each fight you can really cut down on enemy TP moves. 10 TP loss a tic is more than you can shake a stick at. Thanks for the input on OA2-4, guess I'll keep going how I was and finish that up. Caitsith.Shiroi said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: OA2-4 is never going to be the right answer for a physical WS Empyrean. High delay reduces aftermath procs per unit time (not to mention it reduces TP gain, so you're not getting the full benefit) and it has garbage DPS. At least DA affects both hands along with WS damage. OA2-4 increases TP gain and WS frequency, which is the base of the build. More WS's > Slightly stronger WS's.
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