Chant Du Cygne Worth It For BLU?

Thanks for all the advice but I was only asking about Athos vs Tumbler. I am in the process of WotG in my spare time for the earring. And I have other priorities atm for my gil other than expensive gloves. Eponas will be shortly coming also~

In my defense, I had no idea the gloves were that expensive on Phoenix. /shocked

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Hiya,
I'm not sure if this is the right place but can some kind soul please give me some advice ?
As a relatively new Blu [1 year +] who has finally obtained my Almace I am overjoyed with it's performance in Abyssea where I can do 3-5k using RR/VV/Omnipotent & with the following gearset. CDC Set [how do you get your sets to show in a post ??]
However outside Abyssea I'm lucky to clear 1k+ with the same gear set & wonder why Atheling & not Zaffre, I seem to make an average 1200 ?
It's a lovely sword & although the CDC damage is not much the Aftermath & mellee damage are nice.
Thanks !
Jon

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As for the damage, I've not played in 2 years though I had a BLU myself.

Only a few weapons have a great weaponskill, the others you are in it for the AM.

Why on earth do you have mab neck\earrings?
They do absolutely nothing for CDC.

If you improve your set with a few AH pieces you can easily reach 2k+ on EM/DC. loose the MAB earrings/neck they are doing nothing for your CDC damage, Moonshade (tp bonus) or Ghille/+1 & brutal, Rancor collar. For body you should have atleast the NQ toci's from AH, Kacura +1 hands/feet if you dont have athos/thaumas, tumbler trunks over mavi legs, cuchulain is slightly better than the belt you are useing, cheruski needle if you do meebles or have gil left after buying everything else. Also if you should make a fire shikagar nothing else compares to it for TP/CDC.
Work on getting toci's and athos hands/legs from VW and thaumas if you dont have it. oh and epona ring too
you should work towards something like this

Then do VW and get thaumas, athos hands and legs, the hands from provenance and Thaumas gear.
This is what i use for low evasion mobs

Hiya,
Thankyou all for the very valuable feedback including the fact that I had just copied my CW set to CDC instead of re-doing it properly [wipes egg off face . . . :(]
Ok here's the new set, I just don't have enough gil at the moment for new neck, hands, legs etc but will certainly work on it.


Ok, so . . .
Enkidu's or M Bazuband +2 ? Thunder Sachet, M Tathlum or Mantis Eye ? Pipilake, Twilight or Anguinus for waist ?
I thought CDC had a 60% Dex mod ?
Thanks !
Jon

Sea gorget, kacura leggings+1 and moonshade earring at least. Those would be the easiest improvements that don't require much money/events.

For the time being at least get a spike necklace.

Of those options, Enkidu, Thunder Sachet, Pipilaka.

Cuchulain's belt is the second best belt for CdC (though on my server it's up to 400k!).

As far as neck is concerned, get a rancor collar or a ws gorget.

Been out of it for a while but finally getting back into BLU after finishing my Almace

This is my TP Set:
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This is my CDC Set:
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Any suggestions?

Rancor collar and atheling mantle in CDC set.
Cuchulain's belt might be better.
Brutal earring and moonshade when you get that done.
Kacura Leggings +1.
Athos legs\hands.
Epona's ring.
Cheruski Needle. (Can be used in both sets, only replaced in tp set when you really need the acc from mantis eye, not worth wasting alot of inv space in this slot)

For TP set, you don't really need the refresh from that body most of the time.
So a tp set with Toci set is better.

I assume you can get VW gear since you have toci allready*

So I'm a bit lost here...
I get the Rancor Collar on CDC, but are you saying to put an Atheling mantle on that set? It doesn't have any dex or crit, so I'm a bit confused. Unless I'm trying to jack up the attack?

Brutal earring and moonshade, I'm assuming you're talking about TP set here? I'm not really sure how this would benefit a CDC set.

And how are Kacura leggings +1 better then Athos for TP? I'm a bit confused there because those seem a bit dated in comparison.

Athos legs and hands, I'm assuming this is to just gear out that crit hit as much as possible? and that this is back to the CDC set?

Epona's ring this is the part where you lost me entirely and made me had to question, I don't understand the benefits of having a double attack + triple attack % ring with no attack, dex, or crits in this? I mean is it possible that CDC can obtain more then the three hits that I don't know about? I'm just really confused.

As for the body ya I get what you mean, I'm just a bit of a cautious person since I solo alot on BLU. Yet I can see where that body would be useful in VW and such (and yes I do have it).

Weapon Skills can DA/TA/QA. Mythic OA2-3 also works on WS's.

CDC is 4 hits for you, currently, assuming you dual wield. Any of those 4 hits has a chance for DA/TA. Max number of attacks in a round or WS is 8.

Ah thats really good to know ok then I full well understand those gear options, and does attack really boost it so greatly over the DEX? I'm used to just gearing for the stat mod rather then gearing for alternative stuff in that WS. Thanks for the feedback btw.

Brutal Earring because of the DA, Moonshade because the TP Bonus+25% functions as critical hit rate+ for CDC. He meant Kacura +1 feet for CDC, not TP, the STR and Critical Hit Rate+ allow it to pull ahead of Athos Feet despite Athos having more DEX. You are correct that the crit rate+ from Athos set is helpful, but the legs also increase critical hit damage 4%. May be worth noting that I think Kacura Mittens +1 might beat Athos Gloves on days where you can't take advantage of the X-day bonus.(Nevermind, forgot set bonus is +3% for first 2 pieces).

As for the Epona's, that was covered by the post above mine, but yeah, don't underestimate how much DA/TA/QA can do for WS damage.

Also, didn't see anyone comment on this, but you should swap out Houyi's for Rancor Collar or Portus Collar in your TP set.

ETA: there's a weapon skill damage stub on bgwiki I found quite helpful for trying to understand how people come up with these gear decisions, you may want to check it out, and consider downloading motenten's BLU DPS sheet.

edit: Beaten

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I use this and get 5-7k in abyssea consistently using GH/RR/SS

roughly 3k in normal areas and 2-2.5k in VW (with buffs obv!)

I think I need to change the hands but not too sure what to swap in.. maybe those hands from PW.. any ideas? I used to use athos boots so the 3% crit wasn't bad but...

Couldn't find the spreadsheet for this on BG if anyone has a link would be apprciated

Myrmex would be an upgrade, yes. Toci's > Khepri, Wanion > Cuchulain's, Cheruski > Mantis Eye.

Link the spreadsheets at the first post here: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/28574/dps-spreadsheets/

You'll need to be signed into your Google account to view them I believe (never tried without being logged it!)

Never underestimate DA/TA/QA procs throughout longer fights. Abyssea fodder mobs I avoid used it because it's honestly not needed; CDC 1 shots nearly all fodder there. On NM's though where you will do a few more WS's than fodder, and +1 or +2 stats doesn't change much, I'd go for more DA/TA/QA/Crit. You're more concerned about damage over time instead of bragging rights on a single WS screenshot, or at least you should be ;)

I got a few 7-10K CDC's on Orthrus while aftermath is up. On fodder mobs though it rarely breaks 5k, I'm assuming it died before extra hits proc. Avg is 2-4K. I 2 boxed Apademak many times BLU/DRK + WHM and held my own pretty well against many kannagi NIN's trying to tank it off me! Don't underestimate the power of gorgets/ele belts in certain situations also.

VW is a different situation all together. It really depends on your atmacites and which party you are in. If you are lucky enough to not be in the "Mage and NIN" party, you will have cor/brd buffs and those make BLU a pretty significant DD. Read "Significant" does not say out DD all DRK's WAR SAM. But being able to keep up with the average geared "real DD" says something. I use my same atmacite for DRK on BLU. You should always have temps up so acc is rarely an issue; attack may be though (even more so without a brd or cor on you).

The attack and DA on atheling is better for CDC.
Brutal and Moonshade for CDC, because of as said earlier, DA and Tp bonus(crit rate).
Kacura Leggings +1 (feet, leggings in this game is always feet) for CDC.
Athos hands\legs for CDC set yes, because of mods\crit rate\crit dmg, hands also provide a very nice ftp bonus on active days.
Double\triple can proc twice during a ws, and is a very strong stat, unless the ws has 5-6+ hit\round regularly.

Better than Khepri with 5% WS dmg?

On top of what was said, Kacura leggings +1 and plz swap that supp a to a Brutal lol

Derp it is Brutal, deleted the wrong one before >_>

Kacura better than the attack, dex and DA from Thaumas? hmmm I'll have to look into that

yeah that part confuses me too considering they are on Proth's high end CDC build on the blu guide.

It's first hit only. WS+% gear isn't that impressive for multi-hit WS.

I assumed Toci's would be better than Khepri for attack, but according to the DPS spreadsheets I actually have Khepri pulling ahead (just barely). Maybe Proth knows something I don't...in fact, it's very likely he knows a great many things I don't...but yeah, hopefully he pops in here soon to clarify.

Forgot to include Oce+1/Toci's set bonus. they are still very close, but Toci's should win in most situations.

Thaumas Nails are better than Kacura Leggings +1, and significantly, not sure where that came from.

Ok that makes far more sense. SIgh Guess that body was a waste of gil D: